Brockley's deli plans confirmed

Here's the news we've been promising for a long time - the details of the deli planned for Brockley.

As a (good) deli in Brockley would be as precious as a rare orchid, we didn't want to say anything which might jinx its arrival. However, the people behind it, Sandra and Peter, are now sufficiently advanced in their plans to be able to confirm the details.

Due to open in late October or early November, it will be at No. 5 Coulgate Street, as some had already speculated. The deli will become the Broca's new neighbour and should complement the cafe nicely. When we reported the news initially, we said we believed it would be the perfect location, because it will complete what is now a lovely part of Brockley, right next to the station, handy for people spilling off the trains after work. Admittedly, this isn't much use for commuters at St John's or Crofton Park, but on the basis it has to be somewhere, then being at the midway point between the two seems the best solution.

Called Dandelion Blue, it already has its own website http://www.dandeliondeli.com/although it doesn't give a lot away at this stage. The promise that it will be "dedicated to offering high quality food and drink" suggests that it won't be another Doorstep Bakery though.

Sandra and Peter, the people behind Dandelion Blue, have said that they'd welcome any feedback from people on this site about what you'd like to see from the shop, so put in your orders for sun dried tomatoes and rocket below.

Although it may seem like an age since the news got out, they've actually done pretty well to get this far this quickly. The Broca apparently took 18 months to get through the doors on Coulgate Street. From Dandelion Blue's point of view, it's just as well, since there are rumours of another upmarket fooderie on the way to Brockley before too long.

We hope to have an interview with Sandra and Peter in a few weeks.

68 comments:

Kate said...

Wonderful news! Perfect location. And welcome to Brockley Central, Sandra and Peter.
Being open til at least 7pm would be my main request.

Incidentally, not worth a thread of its own but I just wanted to ask if anyone else has noticed the pedestrian crossing outside the Barge has been out of order and barricaded off for the past three days, and thinks it's really dangerous?
I nearly get run over each morning as I sprint across the road.

Bea said...

Excellent news re the deli - but I'd like them to stay open until at least 7:30 pm as that would give me time to get off the train, collect my son from the childminder, and then do some shopping.

Kate - yes, I had, and I have to cross with my 4 year old twice a day (but do so now by Toad's Mouth Two). Let's hope they fix it soon.

Hopefully the new lights will give us a bit more time to cross as previously the lights were already flashing 3/4 of the way across.

veggiegirl said...

great timing - opening in the run-up to Christmas - is it just me or do we always spend a bit more on good food at the time of year anyway?

Would love to see it stock good cheeses & breads but hope it chooses to do a few things really well rather than spread itself too thin & try to be all things to all people.

Hugh said...

Very welcome news. I agree that opening times are a delicate issue but I assume Sandra and Peter will have thought about that.

Some good bread would be welcome, although unless you're running a bakery on site that must be a question of getting it in from somewhere else.

I visited the new Tesco on Lewisham Way for the first time this morning and was impressed, although not with their fresh baked products offering, the bread portion of which starts and ends with white baguettes.

Now all we need is for someone to convert the derelict house on the corner of Tyrwhitt Road and Lewisham Way into a cafe/bakery. With the Talbot being redone for 2008, that would be really make a splash. There must be an enterprising young couple from Goldsmiths prepared to give it a go. Mustn't there?

The 'rougish' Monkeyboy said...

Where do I start? I agree with Hugh, need decent bread. Good cheese obviously and some really good bacon and sausages.

I hope they don't try and compete with the Broca? I'm sure they're both smart enough to co-operate. Perhaps by supplying good ingredients to the Broca so they could make great sarnies etc? Or here a thought, could they take orders and prepare a packed lunch for commuters to pick up on their way to the morning train.

Sometimes I'm so smart I scare myself.

david said...

Marvellous news.
Open until 7 - 7.30 would be great.
Good fresh breads (and cake) has to be top of the list; cheeses and decent wines (from small producers) to avoid having to buy Jacob's Creek and Lindemanns et al from the miserable gits at Costcutter; good chocolate and also decent sausages, ham; also balsamic vinegar etc just to irritate people who don't like gastropubs
Good luck!!

Kate said...

If they stock sundried tomatoes, I promise that I will DEFINITELY buy them ...

Maggie said...

I prefer a sun-blushed tomato to a sun-dried one, so that's my plea. ;)

b. said...

my mouth is watering already!

same as above - balsamic, cheese, wine, olives - all the things that make life worth it!

looking well forward to it

Hugh said...

Since a lot of us will doubtless continue to shop from supermarkets, it will be important for the deli to provide something a bit different. Stating the obvious, perhaps, but it's the reason I rarely use local grocers. You often get better value, variety and service from Sainsbury's.

Kate said...

Not sure how practical this is but I'd love to be able to buy good quality veg. Costcutter is adequate at best.

The Miska said...

Sorry? You got good service from Sainsbury's? Surely not. (Apart from the lovely old man on the fish counter).

I have to say Riverford delivery topped up with farmer's market goodies is fantastic for veg. Can't fault it for quality variety and value for money.

Oh, by the way, I'm new to the area and would love to go look round the conservation / wildlife area by the train track on Vesta road. Anyone know when it's open?

Vikki said...

Hi would reiterate most of the food comments above.

Plus nice selection of quiches, savory tarts, pies and other nibbles would be good and would be an incentive for me to nip-in on the way home from work. Don't know whether fresh pasta is a possibility - has anyone else ever had the ravioli they make and sell at Lina Stores in Covent Garden? It's lovely and changes most days - you just buy however many pieces you want of whatever is available.

And as well as all the fresh stuff it would be nice to have a good selection of chutneys, jams, chocolate, biscuits, museli and stuff to be tempted by.

And if stocking fresh meat isn't practical maybe they could offer some sort of ordering service?

veggiegirl said...

FAO The Miska - the nature reserve opens every few weeks; it's open this Sunday from 2-5, weather permitting. Well worth a visit, it has a very rural feel. If you go along you can opt to be kept up to date on future opening times.

Anonymous said...

Agree with comments re opening hours (a later start with a later finish would be ideal)

We would love somewhere to get fresh croissants etc at the weekend (Sainsbury's etc are rubbish and I have to say although excellent in every other respect, the croissants I've had from Broca have also been rubbish -but the cakes are great!)

Anonymous said...

hiya,

hmmm not sure if deli's are emant ot have fresh vegetables, but would love somewhere in brockley to go and buy fresh organic vegetables........also, pllleeeeeeeeeeseeeee have some nice gluten, dairy free bread.....pllleeeeeseee....

Andy Pandy Pudding & Pie said...

I think they should serve organic broccolli....

spincat said...

My shopping list:

Nice squishy malted bread

nice other sort of bread

flat bread

beigels

savoury tart

cheese: soft

cheese: crumbly

more cheese : something new

pickles: pickled everything

ice cream: good vanilla

ice cream : pecan or toffee

french patisserie

a spinach leaf or two

Andy Pandy Pudding & Pie said...

...and more broccolli...

Maradoll said...

Can't wait to check it out!

Anonymous said...

There is also going to be another deli on the old Pavilion site, selling fine wine, cheese and chocolates. Its just like buses; none for ages and then two come along at once!

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, that's what I was alluding to - I don't like to count chickens though!

My own personal request would be light rye bread - it's the greatest bread on earth but so hard to get, other than in Waitrose. The Telegraph Hill Farmers Market does a Polish Rye (in response to the local Polish population), which isn't bad, but it's a bit heavy and not enough caraway.

Hugh said...

Are we seeing a division of Brockley's high street into middle class (train station side) and friend chicken class (the other side)? I suppose Ecosium complicates that little theory, although it too is tucked safely off the main strip. It'll be interesting to see if anyone tries doing a Moonbows and setting up an alternative to typical south London fare at a site on the main road.

Brockley Nick said...
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Brockley Nick said...

I don't think so Hugh - once the old Pavilion site gets taken up, there's no more room for growth there. I think it is true that a lot of businesses have avoided the high street and chosen to locate on side roads, because Brockley Road is currently not very nice, but my guess is that we will see a couple of new businesses choose to set up near Sounds Around / La Lanterna in the not too distant future.

Hugh said...

Note to self: friend chicken?

Nick, you say that as if you know something.

While we're on thje subject of food, does the Bombay Bicycle Club in Greenwich deliver to Brockley? Is it as good as the outlet in Battersea (Queenstown Road)?

The Gurkha's Tiffin in Forest Hill delivers a good curry to SE4, as was confirmed to us last night. The chef there is said to be ex-Bike Club.

I haven't been to Barbur - is that near Crofton Park? Is it the curry house of choice round here?

Vikki said...

It's on Brockley Rise so Honor Oak really.

Royal Tandoori in Crofton Park is good for takeways.

Monkeyboy said...

Hugh, If you phone for a takeaway from the Babur you'll be put through to their takeaway branch a bit furthur toward Brockly proper. It's better than most but for a sit down curry the restaurant itself is better and does some dishes not seen on the usual Indian menu. Not sure if they're 'authentic' (there would have to be a cow wandering through the kitchen and be 50 degrees in the shade for that I 'spose?) but great none the less.

Hugh said...

I assume however one would need to leave the conservation area.

Monkeyboy said...

Take the chopper old boy.

monkeyboy said...

...and where is the 'old pavilion site'???

Hugh said...

Not on topic but I can't see how to start my own thread. I'd be interested to know what everyone else here does in life, having admitted to being a lawyer. It isn't necessary to say whether you have the good fortune to live inside the conservation area.

Andy Pandy Pudding & Pie said...

Im an auditor for a big 4 accountancy practice....

Also a school governor, and trying to start a nieghbourhood watch area on the road where I live.

Most importantly, I also have two pedigree cats that I walk around Brockley :o)

Monkeyboy said...

Chartered Engineer.... I say 'Chartered' because I'm a bit insecure and want to emphasise that I HAVE got a degree. A Desmond 'Tutu' (2:2) awarded from that noble seat of learning Brighton Polytechnic. I work for a company that will have touched all your lives, especially if you work in town. I won't elaborate or I may get a brick through my window.

Andy, how do I join your neighbourhodd watch? Do we get to carry guns? Mind you I don't live in consevation area so I'll probably be the one breaking into Hugh's study to steal his Picasso.

Andy Pandy Pudding & Pie said...

Monkeyboy - To start a neighbourhood watch area you really need to have at least 1 house per 4 in a row each side of the street/road in order to be eligible.

I live on the darkside too (without giving too much away there is a school right at the end of my road). I've posted leaflets last week but with limited response. I'd love for you to join, but if you didnt receive a leaflet not sure how to fit you in :o)

- Suggestions welcome!

Vikki said...

I work for an international development charity and my other half works for a trade union...

We do live in the conservation area. But as this is only by a whisker we are pretty well-adjusted/can cross the barricades etc...

Kate said...

I'm a financial journalist - and no, I don't work for the FT! I live in the conservation area but I don't own any Picassos, so I'm probably lowering the tone of the neighbourhood just by living there.

Hugh said...

For the record, it's a Braque not a Picasso. Anyway I've moved it.

Bea said...

I work in The City as assistant to an investment banker “big wig”. I live just inside the conservation area but it is the boss who has the Picassos and Braques (as well as the SW1 address!)

deekers said...

I work in research/policy at a large grant-making organisation, which funds community development type stuff -- and also will have touched all your lives if you live in Brockley, or anywhere else in the UK. Compared to what we give out, I get paid a pittance, so although i'm in the cons. area, the picasso's in hock just now.

leenewham said...

I'm a brand/packaging/identity graphic designer living in the conservaton area (but soon moving to Sydenham). Hopefully my Banksy will soon be worth as much as Hughs' Braque.

Monkeyboy said...

I've got a nice picture. It's a cute kitten sitting in an old boot....aaaaahhhhhh...

Now THAT'S proper art.

leenewham said...

Hugh, Old bean...I recommend Cinnamon near (whispers) lewisham way...it's still in the conservaton area so your tag wont start bleeping AND they deliver. You can eat in too. It's probably the best indian food this side of Southall. The chef comes from Croydon...need I say more?!

Hugh said...

Thanks Lee, will give it a try. Damned tags - what do you do with yours?

Anonymous said...

Nick, Earlier this year I heard from one of the waiters at the Toads Mouth, that they planning to open up a bar (either by expanding or re-jigging the current set up) this autumn. Do you have any insider info on this potentially exciting news???

Pete said...

What's the cycle parking like where this deli is going to be? I live in Ladywell and will be thinking of cycling over to get stuff but don't want some toerag to steal my bike....

mcf said...

Please could we have some Greek meze.

I used to go to a place that had a selection of tasty morcels that included spanakopita. I think I'd be in heaven if the delights of fresh spinach might have arrived in SE4!

And while I'm getting carried away what about arrancini. Hmmmm... perfect food for when you are on the go.

Oh and here's another idea: good coffee - any chance of a hook up with monmouth coffee company?

Maybe there's a coffee taster/buyer in SE4 and you could commission them to purchase direct from Kenya or whatever? Can I volunteer please? Purely in an amateur capacity of course.........

Bea said...

Pete - there is a covered cycle park in the Brockley station area directly opposite where the deli will be.

Pete said...

Thanks Bea. That opens a world of possibilities for me.

leenewham said...

Wooden leg Hugh, the tag just slips awf (gout back in the trenches).

Ratbag said...

May I just add that Cinnamon takeaway portions are enormous and two will feed at least three people.

james said...

Back to the deli.
I'll love to see fresh bread, good cured meat and stinky cheese please.

As I grow older I feel an uncontrollable urge to eat olives. Why do most of them taste so horrid? And yet I force my self to try them. When will I learn?

Brockley Nick said...

To anon, re: TM2's bar plans.

To my knowledge, this isn't happening, but they're not the most communicative bunch, so if anyone hears different, please let me know.

spincat said...

There seems to be an empty premisises behind TM2 with a licence application for name ' Degustation' ? Is this the possible extension, do you think - or something new?

Anonymous said...

Do you mean the site of the old pavilion estate agency? If so then then that is apparently being turned into some sort of deli selling wine - Degustation would make sense.

spincat said...

Think it must be: I don't remember it being an estate agent before (my mind blanks them out) - but yes, it looked like it had been once! Better a wine bar.

Anonymous said...

These seem to be exciting times for Brockley. Is it just me or does anyone else get a feeling that THINGS are happening in the area that haven't happened before?

Pete said...

Does anyone have any idea when they hope to have the deli open? I walked over to Coulsdon street from Ladywell the other day and I'm looking forward to the grand opening.

deerks said...

As I walked by this morning, someone was opening the shutter; so far it looks just like an estate agents' office, but with a drinks fridge against one wall. So, it may be a little while yet...

The Saint said...

The propesed deli next to the Broca seems to have no activity yet, despite their proposed opening of late October, early November.

'Degustation' or the old Pavilion office has a notice on it which says it wishes to serve alchohol for the consumption off premises, i.e. it's an offie . But critically it also has the line "with the occasional tasting event on premises", i.e. it's a posh offie. That coupled with the name Degustation which as we all know means 'tasting', points towards a very nice, fine wine shop. Bravo.

deekers said...

Ah, thanks for clarifying. The shutter I refer to was at the old Pavilion office, soon to be wine shop then. Thank g*d its not a threshers. Looking forward to the distinct 'deli', too, in due course.

Anonymous said...

I have had my eye on the very shop to open a deli since I moved here last year, but being a full-time mum with a young baby is not very conducive to opening a deli!
I know everyone has said it but we definitely need decent bread, you know the kind you can get at Borough Market - a lovely sourdough would be perfect. Also, some decent coffee (beans and cups of) - perhaps Monmouth? I feel like you still can't get a brilliant coffee around here (haven't tried the station one yet though?!). Good luck. I think it's a fab place to open.

Anonymous said...

so with new deli,brockley mess and the talbot refurb we are almost there.We just need a waitrose/sains supermarket in the old post office site and a gym nearby and i'll be happy

Headhunter said...

I wonder if a supermarket would work on the site of the old PO. There are quite a few large supermarkets in the area with Tesco in Lewisham, Sainsubury's at the bottom of Telepgraph Hill and Asda (and another massive Tesco) along the OKR. Not to mention a Tesco Metro and the independent supermarkets and shops on Lewisham Way and a Tesco Metro thing in a petrol station a little further down Lewisham Way. Then there's the Co Op or Budgens or whatever it is in Crofton Park.

Another supermarket might threaten the nascent food business like SOTH, Degustation and the new DB. I think I'd prefer another independent shop of some kind.

Brockley Jon said...

Yeah, I'd rather it became an independent shop, or something that won't compete with local shops, but I'm sure given the opportunity, Tesco would give it a go. They didn't worry about opening the one on Lewisham Way, when they already had two stores on the same road!

I think it might be the style of the building that puts them off though - I'd imagine it would be quite a pricey conversion as there would have to be structural changes like putting in a shop front and windows.

Anonymous said...

here we go again with the independent shops!!!A local supermarket you can walk to and do your weekly your shopping is very appealing if you don't have a car.As much as I like the deli, SOTH,ets, you are missing teh point, can you buy enough ingredients in a deli to make a meal?give me Sains/Waitrose any day....

fabhat said...

anon 14.03:

you can get everything you need to make a meal locally:

meat and veg in the Broca foodmarket, deli items in degustation and the soon to be reopened new deli
healthy items/grains at the shop on the hill
booze at mister lawrences
and everything else from costcutters/budgens.

It's not far to go to the supermarkets either - massive sainsburys in new cross and tesco x 3 lewisham/lewisham and they're all easy to get to without a car.

Headhunter said...

A lot of people already can walk to Tesco Metro on Lewisham Way anyway and the supermarket in Crofton Park. I would never do a weekly shop in Tesco Metro anyway, so limited and pricey compared to normal supermarkets. Tesco and Sainsbury's in Lewisham and Sainsbury's in New Cross are hardly that far away! Use your legs, that's what they're for.

I do my weekly shops at a combination of Asda on OKR, Tesco on OKR or Lewisham and Lewisham market on Saturdays. I haven't got a car. I only use Metro if I desperately need something like some bread or milk or whatever.

Of course you can't do a weekly shop or get everything you need from SOTH etc, but I'm sure that a Tesco Metro or whatever on that site would impact on their business quite heavily.

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