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Vikki said...

Nominate your favourite Lewisham Independent business through the council website -

http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/Business/TownCentreManagement/WhoDoYouLove.htm

Good opportunity for us to support many of the places that get mentioned on this blog.

Apologies if you have already posted this somewhere.

Brockley Nick said...

Thanks Vikki, well spotted - will definitely write something about this shortly.

Anonymous said...

Brockley Con Woman II

While we have discussed Vanessa aka 'Babymilk', the distraught mother who wanders around the vicinity of the train station from time to time begging for money for her hungry baby.

There is another conwoman who seems to be active in Brockley at the moment.

This one is called Pamela. She is slim, about 5'4, white, London accent. Quite presentable, she is polite and quite convincing.

Her story is that she has been locked out of her house accidentally. She seems embarrassed and nervous, as you would expect. I offered to let her use my phone, she rings a number, has a brief conversation with her sister and says that her sister has a spare set of keys but she is working in some hotel in Bexleyheath.

She doesn't know what to do. The suggestion that she take a train or a bus is no good. She does knows where the hotel is by car, but not by public transport. The only solution is a taxi, which costs about 30pounds. Calling the hotel won't work, her sister is already in trouble with the management and does not want to risk losing her job.

The only obvious solution is to lend Pamela the money. She is, after all, someone who has just moved into the area, doesn't know anyone and is quite clearly a lady in distress. She in very convincing and has an answer for everything, she does this a lot.

Sometimes Pamela comes back for a second hit. Her sister was not there and she is really desperate now, can you lend her some more money to get to her brother?

Pamela is working Brockley, ringing doorbells with this story. She is often invited in and given a cup of coffee, allowed to use the phone. People are sympathetic and kind.

Trouble is, it is all rubbish. She is a crack addict and this confidence trick is how she makes her living.

There was an article about her in the Brockley Society Newsletter, which described how she got caught.

I reported her to the Police and the response was quite surprising. Lewisham Police Station has a call centre approach to crime reporting. The operator I spoke to refused to accept that a crime had been committed, even checked with her supervisor. Apparently, the fact that I had given the money freely and she may give it back, means it wasn't a crime as far as they were concerned. I told them that I had met at least six other people who had been similarly conned. But this did not carry much weight.

I was deeply unhappy about this and was determined to find some way to report the crime. I discovered Brockley Police Station have a website and incidents can be reported. I got a call from the local Sergeant who explained that they knew about Pamela and would like to catch her, but this is not easy.

I have heard locally that Pamela is working the area again.

Here is a website for reporting the crime.

https://online.met.police.uk/

Here is our the Police team covering Brockley

http://www.met.police.uk/saferneighbourhoods/boroughs/lewisham/saferneighbourhoods.htm#00AZGF

Now, conning relatively small amounts of money out of people in Brockley may not seem like the crime of the century. But the activities of people like Pamela and Vanessa have a corrosive effect on the community because they exploit a positive and natural kindness to a stranger in need of help. It makes people suspicious and distrustful of strangers.
Pamela, especially, is getting access to peoples homes.

What can be done about this? Wanted posters? A big yellow sign?

chap said...

..on a different note. Did you see that old white haired chap at Brockley station? he's often there in shorts - bit cold today. He's a sweet old soul, he normally says "help the workers sir?" waving his bucket and socialist worker at you? I'm kind of a socialist, the kind that demands two skiing holidays year so I gave him 10p...only to see that I'd actually given him £1!! sigh....

Still he's harmless enough....could be a crack addict though?

jpm said...

I had Pamela arrested some time back. It is a crime. It's called deception. She went down for it, after a fairly short trial in fact. She had targeted an elderly neighbour, then came back for seconds, which is when I got my mitts on her so to speak.

She is probably in breach of her bail conditions.

It seems I've moved her on from Manor Avenue, only for you to have the problem. Ask any cop who tells you it is not a crime to give you that in writing. They won't.

Anonymous said...

Nick, how about an article/interview with the owners of degustation and dandelion blue to see how things are going now the novelty has worn off? It would be interesting to see how business is - without being too prying - is it as expected or better/worse?

Richard said...

Vanessa used to be a permanent fixture in Crofton Park and I was surprised by just how many people would stop to speak to her.

I don't think it was any coicidence that she spent most of her time in close proximity to a local shop renowned for dealing in all sorts of drugs. This shop was closed for a while after a large-scale police raid in Crofton Park area and Vanessa hasn't been seen down this way for some time. Unfortunately the shop in question has re-opened and the former owner has been back on the scene.

I learned fairly quickly that the best way to deal with Vanessa was to ignore her screams as she ran alongside you. Soon enough she would focus her attention on some other unwitting soul.

Anonymous said...

Anyone else the youngish girl about (white, skinny, ponytail, often wearing a thick jacket) asking for 10 or 20p? I've seen her round New X, Brockley station and outside the shops round Brockley.

Ann On said...

Interesting you should mention Crofton Park...

I observed two white men in a telephone box obviously taking money out of it by force.

The duo then walked down towards Jam Circus.

As they passed it a young black guy came out of a hardressers. The trio then met round the corner by the kids school and did the 'exchange'.

Onlookers in a nearby shop seemed bemused by it all.

Anonymous said...

I fought the law and the law won.

Anonymous said...

pour some sugar on me, in the name of love.

Anonymous said...

I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my bike.

spincat said...

It is bad news this is starting up round Crofton Park again - about a year or 18 months ago, but going back a while) there was a lot of drugs dealing going on round the station - at one point using the emergency phone on the far platform. The ticket machine was almost always out of order cos it was broken into so much, and there was a group of (mostly) men with a young child who used to hang out at night on the station. One of the things that was distressing about it was the way that young people were being dragged into it. The young babymilk woman, but also younger kids in the area, not to mention the toddler I often saw with the group. I haven't see any of them for about a year - this sounds like it could be bad news.

Anonymous said...

Quack, get out. Quack, quack, get out. Quack, quack get out of town.

Richard said...

Yes, I have to agree it looks like bad news, although there aren't so many dodgy characters hanging around as last year - I hope the police keep on top of this and don't let the area become a little drug haven (I remember when I used to get the train to school from Crofton Park in the morning and would see syringes, etc on the steps).

As an aside, has anybody been to Ladywell fields recently? I had seen a few months ago they were re-sculpting the turf, but it was only yesterday that I realised there is now a stream running through the park. It looked brilliant and absolutely made my day - a massive well done to the council.

spincat said...

Yes, Ladywell Fields really impressive, isn't it? I've been watching its progress for about 6 months and went to one of the volunteer days. It really is something for the council to be proud of.
I reckon there'll probably be more of these volunteer day - planting etc. (The request for volunteers is posted up around around that part of the park.)
I think the new river banks will be a lot nicer come the summer - like the river development at Cornwall Gardens, another imaginative project, definitely go ee if you haven't yet - this time in the middle of a housing development.

JPM said...

HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY TO ALL BROCKLEY CENTRAL! (*,*)

Headhunter said...

On the way to Brockley Drinks II a couple of blokes in a battered Fed Ex van pulled over to ask me for money for a payphone to phone their office. I gave them 40p but they drove straight past the public phone! Not exactly a fortune but I wondered how legit they were!

The other evening on the way home from work Toshi (who some of you met) was stopped by the police on Ashby Rd near the Wickham Arms - they asked him if he'd been selling fake DVDs as several oriental guys had been selling them there. The police are obviously out and about, now if only we could get them to move their panda car to the end of UBR and speak to the drug dealers rather than hassling random Japanese blokes!

Rebecca said...

I noticed that this info. has already been mentioned- but please please post this as latest news to draw peoples attention to it. The Livesey Musuem on the Old Kent Road is an excellent local resource and I am sure many people in Brockley with families have visited the Museum, if they have not made it along there yet, it may be almost too late:

Southwark Council plan to close and sell off the nation's first museum for children, the Livesey. The closure of the Museum has been proposed by the executive committee within it's budget plans for the coming year. The full council will vote on this budget on Wednesday 20th February- next week. The Museum could be closed by as April. This is in a very deprived area of London, and it uses really innovative arts-based approaches. It is also the only venue where Southwark's contemporary and historic art collections are displayed, integrated into the children's exhibitions.

If you want to get involved by writing to councillors etc, join the Facebook group (link below), or if you really can't face signing up to Facebook, simply, sign the petition on http://www.gopetition.com/online/16681.html
Web link: www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8314768438

or visit the unofficial Livesey Museum website www.liveseymuseum.org for latest update.

Amanda said...

To Rebecca
http://www.liveseymuseum.org.uk/


The website you listed needed a '.uk' added to it. I've linked it.

I must say this does seem rather short sighted by Southwark, to close to the museum. Aren't there any grounds they can appeal to government for increased funding for this. Wasn't it just the other day that a government minister discussed increasing 'culture' for children. It's like give with one hand and take away with the other...

JPM said...

THIS IS CONTROVERSIAL AND MAY NEED ITS OWN THREAD..

The problem with Brockley is the spurious way shops are sprinkled along the Brockley Road. We should seriously consider reclaiming the front portion of the cemetery along the main road, and building on the council estate grounds which are never used, putting shops in them. What do you think?

This would make Brockley a must-visit village.

Anonymous said...

JPM -I agree with the 'problem' of Brockley being the shops dotted all around. If brockley ranges from Croften park to Brockley Cross, it's a lot of space to cover - ideally brockley needs a concentration of shops which would make a 'sweet spot' of Brockley. My own opinion is that spot is evolving to be around Coulgate street. If I was starting a new business in Brockley (i'm not), I would definitely aim to get it in around that zone because it's easier to build on what's already there than start a new area a fresh- people now have a few reasons to visit the area near the station - Broca, Dandelion, Touds Mouth, Magi, SOTHill, Degustation Long Time Cafe. If the common ever gets done then this will be another additional draw to that little enclave.
Mike P.

JPM said...

Anon, if my Rolling Plunder plan gets the green light the following would have to go

i. the car show 'room';
ii. the Post Sorting Office:
iii. the frontage to the Council Estate;
iv. the Car Wash; (the Church can stay);
v. the Cemetery (but only about 50ft width not much).

This will then meet with the shops on the left hand of Crofton Park. (Renamed Upper Brockley under the plan.)
On the other side of the road education might suffer.
That school will be knocked down and a state of the art one built some distance back as a Section 106Agreement. When can we do it?

Monkeyboy said...

Reminds me of a lecture I went to at the Institute Of Mechanical Engineers about cooling the tube. There was a chap there from the Singapore metro. When asked how he managed to get so many vent shafts in such a densely populated area he pointed to the benevolent dictatorship - basically the government just kicked out the locals!

JPM for El Presidente!! (can I be minister for religion please?)

JPM said...

Monkeyboy, you sir are hired... just don't go putting any children to the sword. And remember, the church stays. (For now.)

Anonymous said...

not sure where to post this.. does anyone know what the shop next to dandelion is going to be? (apologies if this has been covered but I couldn't find it anywhere) thanks

Anonymous said...

speedi cars temporary office apparently

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

that would make sense, their current building is going to be knocked down and a residential block put up (with retail underneath). Plans look quite nice.

Matthew said...

More shops is definitely not the answer. Currently, the shopsin Brockley / Crofton Park are in three distinct chunks - I'd hardly call that "dotted around". Also, even if you were to join these up by building even more shops then what businesses would fill them? I'd put money on them being more Wood Green Shopping City than Kensington High Street...

Anonymous said...

APPP Where can you see the plans?

Bea said...

The plans are here

http://acolnet.lewisham.gov.uk/ACOLLATEDOCS/6478_2.pdf

Bea said...

No sure the whole link was posted there.

The applicaiton number is DC/05/61302/FT and can be found on the Lewisham Council website

Richard said...

Re: dodgy Crofton Park characters. The shop opposite Barclays has been raided once more by the police. As I mentioned before, the guy who had been arrested in the previous raid had recently returned (I'm not sure if he was amongst those arrested this time around). I hope this is a good sign and the police continue to keep a keen eye on the minority individuals who give the area an uneasy feel at times.

Anonymous said...

Walking through Nunhead I games across two butchers, a baker and a fishmonger.

Despite the new delis, Brockley seems to have lost these essential local shops long ago. The supermarkets, local landlords and the council seem to have policies that encourage fastfood, estate agents and bookies.

Yet I am sure there is a plan for urban regeneration operating in the borough. Presumably this has a focus elsewhere, Deptford perhaps. Can anyone explain how this works?

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

In lewisham, if you live in a 'richer' area you get ignored. I think Brockley is probably one of the more richer areas in Lewisham.

On a side note, did you know that Lewisham central got brand new xmas decorations this year (all shiny and white) whilst Brockley got the hand me downs (1980's tinsle and multicoloured)? Apparently poorer areas appreciate them more so we lost out.

max said...

Yes, Andy Pandy, this time you're damn right!
Do you know that if you go for an operation at Lewisham Hospital and they discover that you're over £70k per year they steal one of your kidneys and give it to the asylum seekers!!
I mean, all these scroungers, all on the dole, I mean, when was the last time that you saw a shoe shine in Brockley?

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

im glad we agree on something max.... why should we have the dole anyways :o)

max said...

We used to have a workhouse here in Dressington Avenue, they sold it for flats.
If that was still open we would save on welfare state and we wouldn't need to buy cheap import from China.
A double whammy for the British economy.

Richard said...

Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, but I noticed by clicking on a poster's name (bmax?) that Brockley Max 2008 is going to happen.

This is great news and I hope this blog is fully utilised in keeping updates flowing and asking what people want to see happen this year

spincat said...

Is there anyone there using Crofton Park Station or indeed another local station served by Southeastern (think Brockley is served by another train company)?

Well, you may have noticed that your season ticket costs have gone up 40% (I'm talking season tickets not travelcards). A lot of people haven't renewed them yet or simply don't seem to have noticed - the reason that this hasn't yet hit the press, i guess.

I have eventually beaten some sort of explanation out of their Customer Relations Dept, 4 emails and 3 letters later, the rise is due to 'government subisdy loss'.

One of my issues - we weren't given any advance warning of this massive rise. The press was talking about rises of 10% - well, this is a 40% rise. At first I assumed the rise was simply a mistake because...

... for the whole of January the ticket machines on the Crofton Park line were set incorrectly and overcharging passengers travelling to zone 2 destinations because it was calculating their fares as if they were going via London rather than just going up the line. This was only corrected after I complained virtually every day for a month - they do not plan to do anything to advise passengers who were ripped off. They do not plan even to apologise. The two rip-offs of separate, however.

Not sure exactly how widespread this problem was/is - whether it was/is affecting just certain stations and zones, so would be keen to hear from you if you have experienced any of the above

Anonymous said...

The Brockley Jack: Apparently there will be a meeting this week with the company and the landlord will be told when it is shutting and when it will re-open.

Also according to the St Hilda's Parish magazine, Cafa Blanca is undergoing a refurb and will turn into a bar called Barrio Latino in April.

Anybody got news on the rumoured Tesco opening?

ElijahBailey said...

With all the talk of the issue of crime and Brockley I think a topic praising the police would be a good idea.

Today there were several vans, police cars and two dozen police with a load of plastics as backup outside the Goldsmiths library. They were valiantly tackling the real threat to us all in this borough which is of course those travelling on the bus without a valid ticket.

Well done boys and girls. The people of Lewisham will be sleeping easier tonight.

Anonymous said...

If you want to save on train fairs, with regards to the suggested topic around Crofton Park above - buy your ticket in brockley, then use the station of your choice. Not strictly legit, but not taking the piss either for distance covered. Good luck!

Graeme said...

Seeing as some of my posts seem to be more on the retrospective side, how about a thread highlighting Brockley's past to which the more long-standing denizens might be able to contribute? Previous interesting businesses, venues, and people - that type of thing. A Brockley History Channel if you will.

Anonymous said...

Which reminds me. Does anyone know where you can watch good bare-knuckle boxing around se4? It doesn't have to be illegal, but it's usually it's better if it is. South East London has a rich tradition and history of illegal boxing whether it be staged in a back room of a pub or a car park at night. There was a time when every shop keeper in the borough could testify (although not in court) to seeing a mans blood splilt for green sheets, and I'd love to resurrect this dying art form. I feel that the recent rise of the deli's and cafe's have brought the 'wrong' sort of people to the area and driven salt of the earth types like me out. Does anyone know if this new Tea Leaf Arts intends to stage any dog fighting? I've heard it's quite a good space.

Dave 'the Guvnor' Harris

spincat said...

In these crazy times, anon, you can be fined an arm and a leg for even getting off the train early - ie. before the destination on your ticket; christ, they would throw you into Brockley's bare knuckle boxing pit (you mean you don't know it? simply to delightful, my dear) if you bought your ticket from one station and used it at another.

spincat said...

too, that is

Anonymous said...

Just heard that the Brockley Jack will be closing at the end of this week. It will be closed for 6-8 weeks for a complete refurb.
Views?

Monkeyboy said...

Anyone know a good roofer?

Mine seems to be held on by moss and pidgeon droppings - I can't put it off any longer.

Several roofs in Malpas Road have been done by 'PC ROOFING' anyone know if they're any good or alternatives??

Monkeyboy said...

Anyone know a good roofer?

Mine seems to be held on by moss and pidgeon droppings - I can't put it off any longer.

Several roofs in Malpas Road have been done by 'PC ROOFING' anyone know if they're any good or alternatives??

Anonymous said...

Try Alltype roofing used them for two jobs, good price, good jobs. Make sure you agree with them when any scaffolding used is to come down.

Anonymous said...

Suggestion

A photographic hall of shame of empty shops and derelict buildings that blight the area.

Anonymous said...

TALBOT BACK ON TRACK - JUST HAD THIS FROM JAMES!!!!

Thanks for your email and interest in The Talbot. My apologies for not replying sooner but to be honest with you things have been so up and down that until recently your guess as to what was going on was as good as mine.

The only update that I have at the moment is that we expect to take on the pub at the end of this month, as is, and then close for refurbishment later in 2008.

In the meantime if you would care to join our mailing list by visiting http://www.thetalbotpub.com
,we will be able to keep you up to date as the project develops.

Hope to meet you before too long.

Best wishes,

James Heaton

Amanda said...

Can anyone suggest a good local or otherwise piano tuner ?

Thank you in advance
Amanda

Anonymous said...

Dear Nick,

Is there any chance we can launch a follow-up to the rigorously contested 'Brockley Vote'?

It's now been months since so many people participated and aired their views on how to spend the £10,000 fund. So, is Brockley Road about to be transformed by new trees and are we going to see kids with digicams on every corner, or is this just another Council initiative which has died a death?

An update would be greatly appreciated...

Harry.

ElijahBailey said...

What's that old building on Ladywell road? The one with circular turret?

spincat said...

It was an old bath house which had its own water tower. check out some old pictures on this website
http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/lewisham/main/images-ladywell.htm

for a whiel the premises were sued as a play centre.

There's another water tower (bigger one) in Chudleigh Rd nearby; now part of a residential development

Richard said...

Out of interest would anybody be keen to start small-sided football sessions on Hillyfields on Saturday afternoons?

I spoke to a customer yesterday who would be keen to get involved and I think it would be great - jumpers for goalposts and a couple of beers after. Plus I'm sure many are like me and need the exercise!

We could use BC, gumtree and movethat.co.uk to get word out.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

only if you join my cat walking society.

Torres said...

Football - count me in.

Richard said...

I think I'm ok at football, but I wasn't expecting a Premiership striker to be joining in. Well that's 1 so far.

Anonymous said...

Thought you might like to know that the 2008 CAMRA South East London pub of the year has been awarded to the Blythe Hill Tavern. Whilst technically in SE23, it is still close by to the Brockers lot. The previous winner was the Market Porter at London Bridge so our corner of SE London is beating off stiff competition!

http://www.selcamra.org.uk/PuboftheYear.htm

Anonymous said...

Brockley Fun Run - I bet nick is already penning a post on this but i picked up a flyer on this at the Broca this morning & I couldn't resist jumping the gun (won't happen again, i promise). Its Sunday 27 April. you can register here.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Nick, this has been a depressing week wheres all the good news???

spincat said...

Blythe Hill Tavern is my local. I'm so pleased it has won this award as so many pubs I liked have closed down or changed and maybe this will help. I've ticked it on this site a few times. I'm not a real ale fan particularly but I like the atmosphere in the place. They only do toasted sandwiches (and if not busy) so don't go expecting a gastropub.

Matthew said...

Did anyone else see this on findaproperty? It's what apears to be a 3 bedroom Victorian house carved into a block of 7 "studio flats" on Dalrymple Road. Rachman is alive in Brockley it would seem...

Matthew said...

oops

http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.aspx?edid=6&salerent=0&rowid=a4008605-05dd-4cf8-8479-caedf39f74b6&bbcam=1563&itc=0#

Bea said...

I don't think "Conistons Property Consultants" can be for real as they also have a 2 bed flat in West Norward for £600,000 on their books - and the flat ain't all that great!

http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.aspx?edid=06&salerent=0&pid=085786&agentid=14074

Headhunter said...

I think these are just badly listed properties, the one in Brockley is titled as a 2 bed flat then the description goes on to say it's a "block" of 7 studios. The other one is £600k for another "block" of 3 flats. Looks like someone has converted these buildings into flats and is selling the whole things off as one potentially for rental. Good luck with that in the current markets!

Sue Luxton said...

Not sure if this is the kind of topic you'd cover, but I'm in the process of getting quotes to have my rotting sash windows replaced with double-glazed ones (wooden, not UPVC, I hasten to add!)and would appreciate recommendations from others re good companies to use. I'm going to get a quote from Brockley Glass & Joinery and have had a quote from two other companies: Shop4Windows and Sash Window Workshop. I would like a company that will use FSC certified wood. Any recommendations re good companies to carry out the work?

mg said...

I looked at a 'studio' on Brockley Rise once, on behalf of my sister. There was a bed, a metal kitchen sink next to the bed with a microwave on the drainer (safe!), a cupboard housing a shower cubicle and a wardrobe that couldn't open fully because the bed was in the way. It was a small room in a large Victorian house that obviously had all its rooms made into similar 'studios'. The occupant was a nurse who had been there (and in the country) for a year but was hopefully moving on to somewhere better. It was awful but no doubt an excellent little earner.

Headhunter said...

Sounds awful. I would prefer to live in a large shared house any day than a large house that had been split into little studio rooms

max said...

Sounds also illegal. There are laws about health and safety and overcrowding.

Anonymous said...

Id like to suggest a comment please - who put up big yellow signs on the lamppost outside my house (Wickham Road) warning people to watch out for thieves. I pulled a few down, hence the Anon status!

fabhat said...

Hi Anon,


As someone who recently had an attempted phone snatch happen on Wickham/Cranfield rd, I think those signs are a great idea. From what the police told me when I reported it this is becoming a fairly common occurence. In my newly paranoid state I see loads of people walking around on their mobiles, completely oblivious to anyone around them. Surely these signs are a good reminder that they should be aware of the risk. I don't use my mobile on the street anymore - and I hope these signs will reduce the number of potential snatchees, which should mean the kids doing it will soon run out of victims...

Anonymous said...

Sue,

Sash windows

There is a local guy called Mr Window I got a reasonable quote from him. Tried to get someone to look at the job from Brockley Glass, but they seem very reluctant to actually look at the job.

I eventually foresook the local tradesmen and got the work I wanted done through connections oop North.

Renovating Victorian Sash Windows is a bit of a minefield. Be prepared for the great sucking of breath and shaking of head that precedes the great pronouncement by a tradesman that the undertaking has number of not-immediately-apparent complications that have to be paid for. Window balancing by the pound of lead weight was a bit of wild card for me.

Tradesmen - now there is a topic for discussion.

Anonymous said...

Where is the promised news on Crofton Park trains? Some of us are waiting in anticipation, hopeful of a more frequent service??

Brockley Jon said...

Nick, the punters are chomping at the bit for this!!! - better put them out of their misery soon ;)

Brockley Nick said...

If it's all the same to everyone, I have a few things at work to be getting on with today! In the mean time everyone has your lovely review and a surprisingly lively debate about ukuleles to keep them occupied.

And someone must have been to The Flower of Kent - come on people, time to give something back!

Tressillian James said...

Can we get an update on the Digicam project? I remember the supporters of the project being very vocal on the blog - it would be nice to see how it is coming on and any figures showing early results...

Anonymous said...

Can we get an update on Lewisham Gateway? It got approved by the planning committee in October last year but things have gone suspiciously quiet since. I've emailed Lewisham council but as usual they haven't bothered replying. I think it's a really good thing for Lewisham. I live just out of SE4 by one street (sandrock rd - SE13) so have a vested interest in getting SE13 up to scratch! Does anyone know when work will start? It says March 08 on the council's website but that's obviously not going to happen! Any update much appreciated.

Hugh said...

Does anyone here ever say the food they've just eaten isn't absolutely delicious?

I stopped trusting food reviews on the internet in about 1999.

Tressillian James said...

Yes --last time I was at Ecosium, unfortunately

andy pandy puidding & pie said...

I wasnt impressed by the TM2 - but when i mentioned my concerns I got lambasted from most people

max said...

I can update you about the Lewisham Gateway development here (one month old news but I think they're the latest):

http://tinyurl.com/385ut4

It looks like the private partners are having second thoughts, it's all due to the credit crunch and whether 800 flats for the buy to rent market can still deliver a profit after you've paid the phenomenal infrastructural expenses of this project.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

I can also update you on the maypole site - construction workers were there today, drilling and making noise. - looks like they actually started developing!

Anonymous said...

the food at chez ecosium is ok as long as you're prepared to fast for 40 days waiting for it to arrive.

Headhunter said...

Hugh, there certainly have been a few bad reviews on this site! Nothing scathing, but some places seem to leave a lot to be desired. On a positive note though, I went down to Mr Lawrence for the 1st time over the weekend. Have walked past before but never been in. Brilliant place, will definitely go back to the bar and the shop.

On the subject of the council and their lack of response to communication, anonymous, I have never heard anything back from the council to any of my emails/calls etc. Not that I have contacted them often, possibly 4-5 times over the past 18 months but they NEVER get back, you have to chase them, apart from the time they mislaid one of my council tax payments - then they were on the phone like a shot, even over the weekend.

The most galling thing is that their website says (at least it used to - have given up looking at it as they never seem to respond to me) they promise to acknowledge email within 24 hours and respond within 48! All I can say is they never respond to me... EVER! How does Lewisham council rank against other councils? Islington were sooooo much more responsive and active in the community....

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Can anyone recommend a good value cleaner/housekeeper?

Currently looking for someone to work one day a week.

brockley mutha said...

Sue - Ref Windows. We had ours done some time ago by the Victorian Sash Window company - they did an excellent job, and were eye wateringly expensive. they replaced the pvc at the front and renovated the remaining windows. i can recommend them, but be prepared with your cheque book

brockley mutha said...

sorry that should be original box sash window company.

yaxu said...

How about something about the new "pincott place people's park" currently under construction by envirowork on the west side of brockley? They've already cleaned it up, got rid of the leylandii trees and are making good progress on the landscaping by the looks of it... This previously abandoned land had been a litter-strewn and fly-tipped blight but the council are doing it up with lottery money.

Brockley Nick said...

@Yaxu - thanks, that sounds great.

Anonymous said...

What is going on with teh Jack? Was meant to be shutting for a massive refurb but still open.

Also what is happening with the Ladywell Tavern? Looks to be shut.

Anonymous said...

The Ladywell Tavern is under new management according to a sign I saw outside. Planning to open again at the end of April with real ales, fine wine and traditional British food.

fabhat said...

anyone else suffering from a ladybird infestation - the nasty harlequin ones as well. They are everywhere and it's worse on sunny days, and apart from hoovering them up, and catching them has anyone got any ideas - apparently they are nesting in the sash windows...oh joy.

Brockley Nick said...

@Fabhat - Yes! I've had the same thing. Harlequins, thousands of them! Killing native ladybirds. Big problem apparently.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Currently renting 'ladybird killer' cats - £100 quid an hr.

fabhat said...

apparently you can't squash them as they make a smell that attracts lots of other ones to revenge their death. we've been catching them and putting them in jars, but they just keep on appearing.
I found a website that was doing research on the harlequin invasion, but they are not taking samples from London any more - they have too many!
Ap&P how many ladybirds can your cat kill per hour (without releasing the foul smell) - perhaps Nick and I could go halves...

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

oh.. at least 1, if you're lucky. They wont kill it either - just play with it. :o)

Graeme said...

What is it with these Harlequins and sash windows? A cluster were hibernating in my bathroom over the winter (I thought they were dead but were somehow stuck to the frame), but with the increased daylight, they've upped-sticks and moved to the draughty gap in the sash in my bedroom. (Although, come to think of it, they might be different ones.)

Do they have some genetically encoded affinity for Victoriana?

Anonymous said...

Anybody know what is happening at Jay's (Costcutter) by the Brockley Jack? Looks like the building next door is being knocked through in costcutter.

Also any news on the Latin bar that is replacing Cafe Blanca?

Headhunter said...

Yeah apparently harlequins are a threat to native ladybirds and will actually bite humans! See this site...
http://www.harlequin-survey.org/default.htm

yaxu said...

Howabout something about the measles outbreak and the need to make sure children's jabs are up to date?

http://londonist.com/2008/03/lewisham_is_see.php

spincat said...

The Brockley Jack makeover has started.
Do you know, once, in my youth I was barred from the Brockley Jack? Not liked the place that much since ...

Monkeyboy said...

Just stumbled across this, you occasional historians may find it interesting.... NOte it's 'BRITISH HISTORY' so I know someone on here will find it especially pleasing.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45483#n12

lb said...

I wonder if there are any Deptford Pinks still growing round here? I suppose not.

How about something on the biodiversity of the area - I mean, what plants and trees (yes, trees) you might expect to find in the streets or in your back gardens? There's a lot more to Brockley's fauna than just swarming ladybirds / mangy foxes / discarded fried chicken.

Incidentally, I saw some of those feral parakeets in Tyrwhitt Road the other day...

Brockley Nick said...

@lb - you'll be pleased to hear I am planning something on stag beetles very soon. Which will hopefully stay uncontroversial - although Andy Pandy can always find a way.

Headhunter said...

Not sure about Deptford Pinks (I Google imaged them and do not remember ever seeing them around, they look like very delicate little things), but has anyone noticed those little blue flowered plants with nettle shaped leaves? They seem to self propagate any small patch of land in Brockley with great ease. The back gardens along Manor Ave are infested with them. I usually leave them to grown - they're quite pretty and the bees, butterflies etc seem to love them. Not sure what they're called. We should name them the Brockley Blue?

lb said...

Well, as that page that Monkeyboy found states that the Deptford Pink used to 'abound' in the parish, perhaps they could re-introduce it in Hilly Fields? Weren't they going to do something with regard to wild plants? Perhaps the pink could be adopted of some sort of symbol for the area.

Mind you, you'd probably need someone to manage / cut the area traditionally to encourage these things. Ideally with a scythe, if anyone fancies spending the weekend playing a straw-chewing yokel in the georgic manner.

Brockley Nick said...

@lb - have you been in touch with the Hilly Fields user group (as per the recent article)? They're the right people to speak to and work with.

lb said...

I had been thinking about it - I'm about thirty seconds from the park and use it a lot, so it's something I'd wanted to get involved in.

Mind you, I got a bit sidetracked talking about hummus, signs, etc

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Going back to the previous conversation we had on the use of the word 'pikey'. I'm still abit confused as to why this could be deemed to be racist?

I've just been watching the bbc programmes - catherine tate show. Even though its obviously a comedy, it routinely uses the word pikey to describe the 'am i bovverred' girl. If the bbc are using it widely, then I really cant see why we should all stop using it because an insignificant minority see it as being offensive (i'm sure alot of gipsys/travellers wouldn't even take offense - especially the younger ones).

Isn't this brockley central PC gone mad? I've noticed hugh hasn't been back for a while - and i dont blame him - some people on here are PC mad for sure.

spincat said...

Re Anon's query 1st April - the Costcutter by Brockley Jack is expnding both sideways into the two empty shops and backwards, to make a bigger supermarket.

Signs now up outside the Brockley Jack promising deli-boards and tapas from mid-May when it reopens - to the barricades!

Headhunter said...

Actually it must be a bit of a nightmare up at Crofton Park, it's really a supermarket desert, small traders like greengrocers and butchers should abound. Costcutter has obviously seen the niche.

So! The Brock Jack is gentrifying! Wonder if they'll still have the big screen for sports...

Anonymous said...

The rather ignominious debate over the use of the word pikey is sadly par for the course amongst the political trolls hereabouts.

Quickest way to cut a debate dead is to accuse someone of an objectionable -ism or being some vile -ist.

Quite as silly as interpreting the most trivial local issue in terms of some great political debate.

It is best to just stand back and
not try to engage them with reasoned argument, it is pretty pointless.

Sad to say trolls tend to kill off interesting discussions and are the bane of any forum.

They are also thoroughly unrepresentative of Brockley, which is nothing if not a diverse community with varied points of view. Many people know better than to waste time engaging empty vessels, it only indulges their single mindedness.

It would be wrong to assume everyone here is a politically correct empty vessel simply because of the activities of trolls and their various alter egos.

Anonymous said...

I had a very exciting half hour in Crofton park yesterday as I found that all the food for sale in the Co-op was half price. As I can never pass a bogof offer without filling my basket I was at a loss as to what to buy. But the shelves were emptying fast - no ice cream left! (They were closing for a re-furb)Aunty Kate

arsenalchris said...

Gutted i missed the sale at the co-op. Love a bargain.

Work is going fast at the Jack. They are claiming that it will be open mid-may. They are also advertising a website www.thebrockleyjacklondon.co.uk however when i looked it is just linking to the Green King Site.

Interesting news about Jays looks like there will be 2 good sized supermarkets with the co-op. I wonder how it will effect the Thai supermarket and the afro carribean one that has just opened. I would also suggest that these improvements signals the death-knell of the rumored Tesco metro.

It would be nice if this blog could go into a bit more detail about this part of Brockley as it seems to be the poor neighbour.

Maybe some digging about the proposed changes at Guys ground would make a good entry.

Keep up the good work.

spincat said...

It isn't that much of a shopping nightmare at Crofton Park, Headhunter, but there is room for improvement. One plus is that I have a really good butcher, Peter James, about 2 minutes from my door who sells very freshly frozen fish and an increasing range of veg + local honey etc.
And I can walk through Ladywell Fields to the big Turkish Supermarkets and to Lewisham market which I far prefer to my Waitrose-by-car days.
And am 5 or 10 mins to Brockley Rise/Honor Oak - a couple of good delis there; there's a new bakery opened at Brockley Rise, Bartrams - and I use Thai mini mart near to Brockley Jack. The Coop refit is welcome though (they reopen 17th April) as their stock was fairly poor and the store was cramped.

spincat said...

aresenalchris, have you heard anything about the work at Guys (King's) sportsground? There was a big local campaign about this a few years back but the plan, eventually, was - scandalously - passed by the council. I was involved in campaigning against it. This was about 2 years ago and I gather King's didn't have the money to begin the work; I've heard no more since.

sue said...

does anyone know what happened to the campaign to open a street market in foxberry /coulgate road....

arsenalchris said...

spincat- I read somewhere on the net that a company had been awarded the contract for the work. I have also noticed over the last few weeks surveyors in guys measuring and doing stuff over by the old stadium. I will try and find the link somewhere.

There seems to be some filming going on at Guys today. Lots of people and a tea wagon. Wonder what it is?

Headhunter said...

What plan was passed for King's Sports Ground?

arsenalchris said...

http://www.cnplus.co.uk/regions/london/news/2008/02/kings_seeks_contractors_for_sports_facilities.html

Just dug this up about the Sports ground. Subscription only i'm afraid.

Headhunter said...

Yeah, I can't access that

Danja said...

Try here: http://www.kcl.ac.uk/about/structure/admin/facser/sportgrounds/hopredev/faq

spincat said...

Two to three years ago King's put forward a proposal to build houses and two all-weather pitches on what is a very attractive large green space - a private, King's-owned sportsground in SE4/SE23.

Some aspects of the plan were good, such as the part relating to rebuilding an outdated pavilion and spectator stand.

But most of it was highly destructve - it will turn a lovely rural-looking huge green space into a semi-urban clutter of high mesh fencing, poles and towering lighting stands aroung the 2 hard-surfaces pitches, higher than the houses around them.

I think that the proposal was done quite cleverly in that public concern naturally focused on the housing-on-greenspace issue (as well as other local concerns like increased noise & floodlighting & parking etc).

This meant that the plan was rejected at first by Lewisham cos of huge local protest. It was then revised without the houses aspect but *with* what I believe is the most destructive part of the plan remaining. (The housing was actuallu fairly limited - not good, but not as destructive in terms of surface area and impact as the rest of it.)

The two all weather pitches are hard-surface replacing green space, and will be surrounded by huge fences and these enormous lighting poles. They are crammed into far too small a space - will make something lovely very ugly. (I can see one hard-surface pitch is perhaps needed, but two is very destructive, esp. in the way they have been designed. )

Almost everyone was still very opposed to the revised plan, but I think some locals felt they didn't need to send in a further response to the council as they had already lodged their concerns - we did continue to protest but I think the tactics used are common ones - revise one section of plan and opposition will tend to level off.

The council passed the revised plan.
The only 'green' issue I heard raised at the meeting by one of the councillors was whether or not there would be spaces for parking cycles around this wonderful new hard surface! Talk about 'ther elephant in the room'.

I am so angry about it - my only hope has been that King's were revising the plans still further cos of budget constraints.
I will find out more.

spincat said...

PS: the filming I've noticed is at the Rivoli, seems more large scale even than usual and certainly with catering. But there could be something else going on as well?

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else see a pheasant flying around today? A male pheasant landed in our back garden at around 10 and stayed for a few minutes till scared off by our neighbour's cats. No idea where it might have come from but suspect the local foxes will think Christmas has come early.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

mmm sunday lunch...

patrick1971 said...

Looking forward to the Co-op refit and glad to hear there's a baker's at Crofton Park. Should be moving there mid-June if all goes well; am the middle in a three person chain so hopefully no one will get cold feet!

Headhunter said...

APP&P, one needs a brace of pheasants at least for a decent Sunday lunch, don't you know..

Amanda said...

Sad to see that the Tea Factory building has already been daubed with graffiti.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Yes, I noticed this too Amanda. Completely and utterly disgusting. The people who did that should be ashamed (but they wont be).

How do we educate these idiots? I suspect they have no idea of the cost, the damage and only think for themselves.

patrick1971 said...

What I always wonder is when these people actually manage to do the graffiti. I don't know if people have seen the train carriage on Deptford High Street, that is going to be turned into a café? It's right in the centre of a busy high street, with people around at all times of day and, mostly, night. CCTV covers the site as well. Yet this train carriage has been fully, and I do mean fully, graffitied over at least three times in the month it's been there. It would have taken some serious time and a huge amount of paint to do it. How is it possible that it was done with no one seeing it? Ditto the Tea Factory, I'd have thought, at a busy junction like that.

fabhat said...

Didn't banksy just do a 3 storey high mural just off oxford st without anyone, or the myriad cctv cameras, noticing? Steven Gill (i think) once did an interesting article about the invisibility that a yellow reflective jacket bestows - it legimitises anything being done on the street. Perhaps that's what the graffiti writers are doing?

Anonymous said...

the graffiti on the train carrage in Deptford is supposed to be there.....

spincat said...

An update on my long post several notches up about King’s sportsground development.

The work was due to start in the Autumn but King’s may not have the funds to go ahead this year. They may go ahead with some aspects of the plan but not others. I think they'll know more in late summer re the funding situation.

Long may this situation persist – a scaled down plan is what I have been hoping for all along. However, eventually they plan to put down artificial surface over a large area of green space.

Amanda said...

The stuff on The Tea Factory isn't really uplifting. Here's a picture. http://i27.tinypic.com/214qkv4.jpg

Headhunter said...

That doesn't look too promising for the Tea Factory! And when are they actually going to complete that building? Have they just given up with the current housing market troubles? Have they actually sold all the units inside yet?

Anonymous said...

Oh man that's a disaster. Am I the only one who dislikes the look of it (the building) anyway though?

Anonymous said...

That'll look nice while I'm enjoying my latte on Brockley Common - if that ever happens.

Brockley Nick said...

@HH

The Tea Factory is due for completion this month. It looks as though it could be slightly late, but you can see they have already taken down much of the scaffolding. As far as I am aware, most of the residential has been sold (a number of BC readers are customers), and at least one of the two retail units has been let.

Brockley Nick said...

It's hardly "a disaster". It could be cleaned off, after all.

Anonymous said...

Nick - if someone sprayed graffiti all over the side of your house, I doubt you'd take that calm, laid back approach and declare it can just be cleaned off.

It can of course be cleaned - but then in a few weeks it will probably need to be done again. And again. And again. Nice if you live there?

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Some of it has already been cleaned off. But it still gets me angry. People are trying so hard to improve the area, but some idiot goes and does that!

Amanda said...

In terms of this happening again. I think the fact that the place is a building site with scaffolding, ( so access) and presumably empty at night (so opportunity) had a lot to do with this.

Things will be different, hopefully, going forward.

Brockley Nick said...

If you're so concerned about the residents feelings, perhaps you should avoid using words like "disaster" about their new home? I'd guess it's the responsibility of the developer, rather than the residents, to clean it off, as the project is still unfinished. I imagine he's unhappy about it, but I imagine he'd be even less happy for someone to call it a disaster. And as for them coming back to do it again, I guess they're currently using the scaffolding to get up there...

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Exactly. This type of thing must be so common in london that i'm sure the developer would of thought it at the planning stage.

Besides, its the first time its happened in.... 1 yr?

Anonymous said...

Oh, so it's my fault.
Nick while I admire your unashamedly positive attitude and reluctance to damn anything that may affect Brockley's morale, I think this time you have to call it how it is. That graffiti my friend, is a disaster- for loads of reasons. One being that whoever did it obviously sees this building as great advertising space for his or her tag. Forget the scaffolding - anyone graffiti artist worth their salt could get up there if they desired. I will go far as to say that the tea factory will now have some form of graffiti on it forever more. As for not saying anything because it might upset the owners - WHAT? -

maybe if we ignore it it will go away by itself.
Get a grip or let go altogether.

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon

Just to clarify my position:

1. I dislike the use of words like "disaster" and "fiasco" being thrown about over the slightest issue - that may be how the Daily Mail likes to operate, but I try to choose my words carefully and I encourage others to do so. I have worked on very large scale constructions before and believe me, a bit of graffiti is not a disaster. Someone being killed on site is a disaster, the project collapsing due to funds running out is a disaster. Some tagging, that can be cleaned off is a setback and a shame. Not a disaster.

2. I never said anything was your fault. But you were accusing me of making light of the problem. I am pointing out that your hyperbole is inappropriate and probably unappreciated by the people who will shortly be your new neighbours, who are still quite excited about moving in - let them say it's a disaster if they like.

3. I don't accept I am overly positive about things - eg: my latest article. Where things are wrong, I will point them out. Do I think the graffiti is good? No. I think it is bad. Is it fixable? Yes. Is it a disaster? No. Is it a problem unique to Brockley? No. I went to visit a friend who lives in a flat in a very posh part of West London recently. It had a picture of a penis sprayed on the front step to the block. Is that a reason for him to throw his hands up in despair and move to the country? No.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Well put Nick.

Ed said...

As a future resident I have to hope this stops once the scaffolding comes down. I have been told end of this month/May for completion...

Anonymous said...

Nick - don't try to align my views of that with the Daily Mail - that's cheap. My use of the word 'disaster' may be hyperbole but if I had a flat there it is exactly how I would describe it. Hyperbole is often a great way to express a view. Sure - i admit in the great scheme of things it's not a disaster. Compared with a death on site as you describe, I agree it's nothing - but this site is surely about opinion about what happens in our community. If I can't get worked up over some graffiti then what's the point of getting worked up about anything in the community - like trees along the Brockley road. By your reasoning, in the great scheme of things trees along the road are not important either, but to people living here we all know they are. Don't be so quick to shoot me down in future or myself and others may choose apathy over action and that can't be a good thing.

ElijahBailey said...

If graffiti appearing on the Tea Factory is a 'disaster' what would be the appropriate word for it burning down?

Anonymous said...

Don't tempt fate.

Anonymous said...

" It had a picture of a penis sprayed on the front step to the block. Is that a reason for him to throw his hands up in despair and move to the country? No."

Well, maybe....

Brockley Nick said...

It was a fairly small one. Does that make it worse or better?

Anonymous said...

As someone with a large one I would say large is better, but maybe we should hear from someone with another perspective - Andy Pandy?

Headhunter said...

Poor old Andy... the "anonymous" people on this site seem to have it in for you, mate, you always seem to get random insults slung at you! And I'm sure most of them haven't even met you! Perhaps it's not people and rather person though...

Tressillian James said...

Has anyone else noticed the grafitti on the side of the house on Lewisham Way - on the corner near St John's Station. Looks like the artist (?) has climbed on to the disused Doctor's surgery to gain access. It is disheartening.

With this out break of grafitti, I wonder if the kids have captured it on their digicams...

Anonymous said...

...changing subject slightly. Anyone know what plans there are to develop the Howarths Timber yard? Apparently, the have been some leaflets distributed locally by a developer.

Anonymous said...

Young offenders centre.

Anonymous said...

Drink ban in Upper Brockley Road delayed from April 1 to May 1st.

Due to "unforseen circumstances" ie officals failed to put up the signs to make it legal for the police to enforce the ban, oops.

Monkeyboy said...

I think the Tea Factory looks OK, what would you prefer some kind of faux Victorian pastiche?

Mind you I HAVE been drinking.

Anonymous said...

I didn't realise it had to be one or the other. In that case leave it as it is...

spincat said...

The new Co-op has opened by crofton park station. I can't believe it it - it is good. They have better bread, better fruit and veg, generally a better saner, stock and a nicer layout. It used to be so badly stocked - hope they keep it up.

fabhat said...

what about a bit of guerilla gardening to improve brockley road - a pre-trees push perhaps?

http://www.guerrillagardening.org/

Anonymous said...

Faux Victorian Pastiche?

Sounds like something off the menu of posh Salon de The.

I'll look forward to a slice of that to knock back with my Darjeeling.

The Tea Factory sounds almost worth the risk of being run over by traffic.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone shed light on why Telegraph Hill is a socialist enclave and managed to elect two Socialist Party councillors?

max said...

It's because of people that voted for them, it turns out they are the majority.

Anonymous said...

Yeah no shit Sherlock but I thought Telegraph hill was a relatively well of area so I was surprised that the SP did well. Just wondering if there was anyone from that area who could shed light.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

I think the telegraph hill borough covers all the council estates south of 'west brockley', where the new park is etc.. Also, there is quite abit of social housing just bordering some of the roads near the park.

I was abit surprised, I would of thought at least one green or lib dem clr would of been elected.

max said...

I think that they are very active and work quite hard for their constituents.
Besides that, they're two great blokes and at Council they hold their ground very well, Ian Page is one of the best speakers of the Council, he puts down the issues very clearly, they are almost always defeated when they propose motions but they do raise issues and I think that they manage to influence the shape of Council policies for the better by virtue of that political process that makes the majority take over the position of the opposition to avoid losing votes.

Anonymous said...

Cheers. Guess that is the good thing with small parties - they have to work harder.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Ive never met them, although I have briefly spoken to the labour clr, Robin Cross. He comes over well.

Catt said...

How can we stop commuters turning Brockley into a car park?
Over the last couple of months the small roads surrounding Brockley station have become a parking region for commuters into the city. They start arriving at 7am (often playing loud music)and park their cars along every available bit of curb they can find...including residents parking areas.
Has anyone else noticed this? Is there something we can do about it?

Hugh said...

Sell coffee futures and drive Broca into the ground, thereby depriving said commuters of a reason for getting to work via the station.

Then run around naked, get arrested and appear in the local free paper.

Anonymous said...

Try not to worry about it, we all have issues with parking in Brockley, be it people parking over drives, double parking, commuter parking, but as irritating as that can be, it is better than being 'regulated' by the council. That will mean fines, visitors not being able to drive to see you and alot more hassle. Just go with the flow.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Nick, have you been deleting al those blog entries re. cats and the brockley barge? That was quite an interesting thread...

Anonymous said...

I agree with Anon 15:28 - anything is better than living in a CPZ - you can always find a space if you look hard enough and you dont have to worry about parking there if you do. Oh, and your friends and family can actually come and visit!

patrick1971 said...

Last time I checked, "friends and family" were able to use trains and buses, same as anyone else - why drive to somewhere that's in Zone 2? Madness.

As for the graffiti on the train in Deptford High Street, it emphatically ISN'T supposed to be there - read the Deptford Dame blogspot. The Deptford Project had been suffering from the train being graffitied, so they commissioned someone to do a mural on it (the Del Boy offering). This has since been graffitied over, presumably without the knowledge of the Project. That's what I was referring to.

Anonymous said...

For a lot of people, we just like to be able to drive to see someone. Outside of London it's the done thing - I reserve the train for going to work on and the car for shopping/social stuff. Much rather that than sit on a smelly bus, and zone 2 driving on evenings and weekends is actually quite acceptable.

Anonymous said...

Once you go down the parking permit route you lay yourself open to arbitrary increases in the annual fee for this service with no guarantees about enforcement.

As yourself how much confidence you have in the council parking department.

Tom said...

which streets are being parked on? I live in one four/five mins walk from the station and never have had any problems.

fabhat said...

Does anyone know when the landfit meeting is? Or have I missed it? I've tried searching the site, but can't find anything...

Anonymous said...

hi
can anyone tell me if they know of any plans for brockley station in the future when the line is complete in 2010.

are there going to be any new station facilites or changes ?

spincat said...

Was a bit optimistic is praising the new Co-op. It re-opened just under 2 weeks back, with a nice looking refit; the shelves were stocked for the first time ever in a sane sort of way (eg. plenty of food on them).

Naturally the residents of crofton park, stunned by this, flocked in and bought the food up. so now it has nearly returned or is returning to the old state, the old state being limited bread range, no fair trade coffee most of the time (only instant), very limited fruit and veg, almost no fresh meat, boring cakes and biscuits and the most exotic desert being rhubarb yoghurt (nice once in while but not if only thing on offer for 3 years).

I do most of my shopping in Lewisham market, Turkish shops and local shops from Nunhead to Lewisham but it is nice sometimes to be able to dive into a local supermarket to get something when you get off the train late after work and tired. Why is it so useless? The staff are very nice so it makes me reluctant to complain - they seem so hurt when I have made gentle suggetions in the past!

Anonymous said...

Oh no, no fair trade coffee

Sam said...

Nick, reading the comments last week on cars and parking around Brockley station etc, I was wondering whether there had ever been a "car pooling" discussion or service on BC? If lots of people are driving to the station and parking, there may well be some who would happily car pool but don't know how to find someone to share with. BC might be able to help by offering a car pool offers/requests area on the blog. Is it worth a go?

Moira said...

Just came across this. Its intended to be a transport freecycle.

www.driversandriders.co.uk

Hugh said...

We need a football thread. There aren't enough in the world.

Headhunter said...

Perhaps it'll be more successful than the cycling thread. It's very lonely over there these days!

Anonymous said...

come along Hugh, or do you prefer the oval shaped ball?

Tom said...

HH - I know what you mean! Am very busy on weekends at the moment, but am at the track at Herne Hill as many Saturday mornings as I can do.

Also am likely to be there on Monday evenings when the start league racing (in the next week or so).

Probably should revert to the cycling thread ...

Tressilliana said...

'Not sure about Deptford Pinks (I Google imaged them and do not remember ever seeing them around, they look like very delicate little things), but has anyone noticed those little blue flowered plants with nettle shaped leaves? They seem to self propagate any small patch of land in Brockley with great ease. The back gardens along Manor Ave are infested with them. I usually leave them to grown - they're quite pretty and the bees, butterflies etc seem to love them. Not sure what they're called. We should name them the Brockley Blue?'

I think you mean green alkanet. Years ago on a hot Bank Holiday I pulled a lot of it up while wearing a T-shirt and within hours I had a bright red rash all over my forearms. Didn't hurt or itch, but very unsightly. So take care!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_alkanet

Headhunter said...

Yeah that's the one - Green Alkanet. Does it look green to you? It looks blue to me - perhaps I'm going colour blind. Every now and then I do a cull in our garden and hack it back to the roots, but it always grows back.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

What you need is a cat.

Headhunter said...

Why do I need a cat? Do they eat Green Alkanet?

Monkeyboy said...

By the way what is it about the water main by the Wickham Arms? It seems to burst about twice a year? it's pissing water out as I speak.

I blame the foreigners.

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