Loud car stereos

We've no idea what a 'mini-moto' is - it sounds too cute to be harmful - but if you've ever lost a filling to the bass tube of a car stereo rumbling past your window then this might be of interest...

The London Assembly's Environment Committee is carrying out an investigation into the impact the noise from loud car stereos and mini-motos has on Londoners' quality of life. The investigation, led by Val Shawcross AM, is looking at how these sources of nuisance noise can be tackled - and she wants to know what you think.

To submit your views, email rishna.shah@london.gov.uk

There's no indication about what they can actually do about it, given that the threat of tinnitus doesn't seem to work, but if you want to get it off your chest, then email Rishna (and post your feelings here, if you like)

53 comments:

Kate said...

'Mini-motos' are those miniature scooter/motorbike things that da yoof like to tear around on.

Anonymous said...

Mini- Moto's are cheap, Japanese imported miniature motobikes that some kids are riding in many parts of London and the rest of the country. The noise they produce is so loud that it can make you cry from half a mile away, and the bikes themselves are incredibly dangerous when taken on public roads. Thankfully I never seen any in Brockley (although I have in Lewisham).

Hammersmith used to have a terrible mini-moto problem but there is now an organisation called 'Masboro Moto;', which allows the kids to work on their bikes, learn mechanics, and gives them the chance to race them on various tracks around the country. Now the kids have experienced the thrill of racing on proper tracks with digitally captured times, they view taking them on the public roads as bit lame and the problem has all but disappeared.
Mr X

Anonymous said...

They are often used in Brockley and are a pain. As for car stereos, I think bass boxes in car boots should be banned and fines/points in licenses given out for offenders playing really loud music. Loud music, expecially when it's a car parked in a residential area is just selfish and ignorant.

Brockley Nick said...

Ah right. Haven't seen any of them around here, although there were a whole family of mini-moto riders, including a very large dad, near my old house in Charlton.

Pete said...

Mini motos don't tend to last all that long as the police will confiscate and crush them when they are being used inappropriately.

I can't understand why some drivers play such loud music in their cars. If it sounds too loud from in my house, what must it sound like from inside the car? Fortunately they don't tend to sit outside the house for too long though.

leenewham said...

I agree, I have seen mini motos down the lewisham way end of brockley, although not recentley. I totally agree about loud car stereos, BAN THEM!

Anonymous said...

The noise from cars drives me bananas in SE4. Why do these people think that everyone else wants to hear them blaring out tripe - its such an "attitude" thing and needs to be stopped as its rude as hell.

Bea said...

Last summer on a Sunday afternoon a whole bunch of mimi-motos drove through the playground on Hilly Fields. In a somewhat stupidly brave moment I challenged the lead driver. He just shrugged his shoulders and went on his merry way. I've not seen them since.
As for cars with loudspeakers on full blast - has anyone here seen the disco car? It looks like a souped-up black VW Golf with blue disco lights flashing underneath. It is so naff it makes me laugh – that’s just not a COOL car. When it, and similar cars, drive past the bass make all the windows and doors in my Victorian conversion flat rattle like mad.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

I agree, car music that loud should be BANNED. There is often a moron who drives past/sometimes parks opposite my house, everytime i cannot hear the TV in the lounge, windows and floors vibrate and my cats get woken up (most disappointing).

Seriously though, If i think about it too much then i'm afraid i'll turn into a nervous wreck!

As for mini motos, they are dangerous. I think they should be allowed but controlled more and at least some sort of British Kite Mark/ISO Standard placed around the noise that they make.

veggiegirl said...

There's one culprit who seems to get a kick out of his bass setting off car alarms at the Brockley Road end of Wickham Road ... that and the rattling windows when he drives past makes me mad, especially if I'm working from home & on the phone. I'll be interested to see whether anything can actually be done about this.

Headhunter said...

What can be done? Unless the police are going to patrol the streets trying to catch people with loud stereos (which I'm sure they would have way down their list of priorities) there isn't much that can be done.

spincat said...

I hate all car stereos - unless, of course, it is my own

Howard James Hardiman said...

I think we've heard the same noisy car go by - it rattles the windows and scares the rabbit, not to mention shaking us! I heard a probably ridiculous theory that loud music like that shakes your sternum and your body so much that it can throw your heart off beat.

Highly improbable, but clearly our best legal defence. I wonder what the done thing is for noise like that? It seems to be just one or two cars in particular that are causing the problem. Maybe someone needs to add a noisy car monster to the Brockley monsters board in the Broca.

Anonymous said...

Arrh!, that's why people regularly drop dead in nightclubs all over the world. Coupled with dancing it's lethal. Apparently jogging, and jumping up and down are also illadvised.....

Seb said...

Offenders should have their stereos hard-wired to radio 3 for life. Also, all houses in SE4 to be equipped with surface-to-surface missiles for dispatching summary justice. Should you think this a little extreme, bear in mind that I live on Geoffrey Road - thumping basslines stuck in traffic for 10 minutes in front of my flat is not good for the soul.

Anonymous said...

I know this thread is relating to noise specifically but would anyone else like to see the Brockley Conservation area and indeed the surrounding streets turned into a zero tolerance quiet residential area with signs erected to welcome people to Brockley and ask that they respect local residents by driving carefully, taking their litter, minimizing noise etc...?

The area is special and was awarded 'conservation' status due to its spectacular arcitecture yet it doesnt have any signage to acknowledge that award or indeed the village/town (or whatever it is) of Brockley doesnt have any 'welcoming' signage.

Perhaps getting a few quid from LBC for nicely designed tradtional welcoming signage (as opposed to those awful luminous blue ones welcoming people to Lewisham borough) would give an increased sence of community spirit and identity. It wouldnt cost much to do.

Silly suggestion or what do people think?

Anonymous said...

Zero tolerance? Who are you? Big Brother? what would you deem a fitting punishment for a loud car stereo? banned from the beloved conservation area? Get real. It's nice but it's not that great. How would you police such a scheme? Sounds too Stepford Wives to me.

Headhunter said...

I would love to exclude the noisy chavs from the conservation area or even Brockley as a whole but I fear it would be too difficult to enforce! As for putting up signage, there are lots of conservation areas across London and some not even far from Brockley itself - St Johns, Telegraph Hill, Blackheath and Greenwich for example. I don't think we need to turn our streets into a museum....

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Any area can become a conservation area if enough residents sign a petition/agreement to create one.

Conservation area status does NOT get awarded specifically due to it's architectural heritage, it is the RESIDENTS that recognised the importance of this in the 1970's and submitted a petition/agreement to the council.

Whoever the 'anon' person is above who wants to turn the conversation area into an elite no go area for non-residents should seriousuly think about moving to South Africa - they all mostly live in communities behind walls over there....

Not exactly the right image to promote for Brockley me thinks.

Kate said...

The usual big blasting car stereo went past my house aroun 10pm last night - blaring out 'Back For Good' by Take That. Erm, cool alert guys ...

Anonymous said...

In the US, the biggest offenders of blasting their cretinous, very loud bass are the hispanics and african americans. I don't mean to sound racist in any way, I'm merely just pointing out a fact from my own observations. I wish something would be done to make these inane audio systems illegal to possess. Just plain stupid to own and operate such a pinhead of a device.

Anonymous said...

In the US, the biggest offenders of blasting their cretinous, very loud bass are the hispanics and african americans. I don't mean to sound racist in any way, I'm merely just pointing out a fact from my own observations. I wish something would be done to make these inane audio systems illegal to possess. Just plain stupid to own and operate such a pinhead of a device.

Anonymous said...

In the UK, the biggest perpetrators of football violence are the working class, white Englishmen. I don't mean to sound racist in any way, I'm merely just pointing out a fact from my own observations.

Loud music blasting from cars is annoying, not THAT annoying but gets on my tits. It should be stopped but why bring race into it? Black people do it more? perhaps. So your solution is banning blacks from owning cars?

Anonymous said...

Pinhead of a device? did you type that drunk?

Tamsin said...

There is a case for making the devices illegal on safety grounds. When you are driving all senses come into play in contributing to the necessary spatial awareness and with a stereo going at full blast you would have no chance of hearing an ambulance siren even right behind you.

Monkey boy (can't be arsed to log in) said...

Hmmm.... is there really a need to bring in yet more legislation for what is a actually not that big a deal? How often are you disturbed? once a week for 10 seconds? It's annoying, perhaps if they blasted Vivaldi it wouldn't be as bad or GOD FORBID Coldplay! Now that should be a hanging offence.

neanderthal d said...

Car stereos are old hat. Cars burn up fossil fuels.

The bike is the way ahead (and i am sure that it will be to the satisfaction of the cycling fraternity here).

Customised bikes.....sweet sounds...

Introducing Basszilla

max said...

I think there are now less people blasting their car stereos than a few years ago, not because they're more polite but because it disturbs their own chatting on the mobile.

Tamsin said...

@ Monkeyboy... But they are also making themselves and any child with them in the car deaf. I already have to stuff my fingers in my ears at the cinema because the sound levels are adjusted to the generally needed level which is too loud for me.

max said...

Tamsin you're right, a few weeks ago I brought my 3 year old daughter to see Ice Age 3 and when the film started she put her fingers into her ears and shouted "it's too loud, where's the remote control?".

4x4 said...

@Anon-the biggest perpetrators of football violence in the UK are indeed white, working class Englishmen but that is hardly surprising considering only a small percentage of black people attend professional football matches in this country.
My guess is that there is a much higher percentage of black car drivers driving per head of drivers in the UK. Black people do seem to be the worst offenders on the whole for having their inane music booming out from their cars. Confiscate their cars I say-zero tolerance!

Monkeyboy said...

Of the annoying things in London loud car stereos is not high on my list, seems to be the taste in music that's the problem.

I also hate...

Loud bikes
The dustbin trucks
skip lorries making my house shake
vocal sex from neighbours(you know who you are! Stop showing off)

But I also like living in London, one must learn to chill.

By the way, do all the evil loud music players have kids strapped into the back or or we trying to justify our indignation?

Simone said...

I used to love riding in my future brother-in-law's car. The bass was the loudest, the music the latest and I was the greatest!

Rap definitely worked best for a bit of stereo-induced ego-pumping.

Now it's Jack Johnson and St Germain at a moderate volume, sigh. I miss my twenties!

Headhunter said...

Whilst it would be good to see obnoxiously loud stereos legislated against, especially when they're used in the consveration area, it's hardly likely to happen.

It's already illegal to darken windscreens and front driver and passenger side windows on safety grounds, so that at night or on cloudy days, visibility is not impaired, however I regularly see cars with all windows darkened (and stereo pumping) rolling around London.

It's particularly scary as a cyclist, I'm sure that one of these oiks will pull out in front of me on the Old Kent Road after a brief glance through a darkened pane.

tamsin said...

So get back to the manufacturing stage. I was amazed to learn years ago that although cars and bikes required silencers you could buy and fit specially de-silenced silencers so that motorcyclists who had not developed beyond the mental and emotional age of 12 could make loud noises on our public streets. For people to be able to buy what they need to pander to these dangerous and infantile dreams is somehow different to the situation where they have to take a hammer and a sharp nail to their silencer or smoke their own clear glass with a sootty candle flame.

Headhunter said...

It's a shame that the only way some people appear to be able to express themselves in public is through extreme noise.

Monkeyboy said...

all these posts make me want to turn my stereo up to 11.

Headhunter said...

Just so you can piss people off? Admirable....

Ragga me stupid said...

Of course it's not only car stereos. A guy near me regularly blasts his stereo with all windows open. He has evn been known to prop the sash window open with one of the speakers - pointing outwards.

What makes him think ragga is the music taste for the whole street I'm not sure - oh yes, silly me, he doesn't give a ....

Headhunter said...

Now that IS annoying. Actually, noisy car stereos don't really bother me that much (unless it's when I asleep) as the noise is only temporary as they pass by

Monkeyboy said...

well no, not EVERYONE just pompous snobs.

Anonymous said...

What kinds of music do Brockley Central readers like?

Mungo Jerry?

Monkeyboy said...

For the record, I repeat - loud stereos in cars are annoying. But really, is it a sign of the barbarians at the gates? Worry less, you'll live longer.

Now dog poo, THAT is proper annoying.

Name and address supplied, walking up and down Wickham Road with a notepad, pen and flask of weak lemon drink said...

And sattelite dishes and taxi signs of course.

Headhunter said...

Yes, but at least satellite dishes don't make a noise, so you can ignore them...

drakefell debaser said...

If I had a car and it had a powerful stereo I would drive around Brockley on Saturday mornings at 10 MPH with all my windows open playing Black Sabbath records. The variety at present is appalling.

What we also need is for someone to come up with a device that either blocks, switches off or in extreme cases blows up car stereos as they go down your road. Bit like those things that jam mobile phone signals. I don’t know how easy that would be to develop, or the legal repercussions resulting from exploding stereos, but I would buy one.

Brockley Jon slowly becoming Michael Douglas from Falling Down said...

Loud car stereos *are* very annoying, especially so if, like me, you live close to a set of traffic lights, meaning cars sit there for a minute or more at a time. Monkeyboy said that they only disturb them once a week for 10 seconds - you lucky man. Try 5 times in one evening for about a minute at a time, then it starts to wind you up a treat! And I'm relatively set back from the road - I pity the poor people who face right on to it.

max said...

DD, I too was complaining about the lack of variety, then one day someone blasted "Total Eclipse of the Heart" under my window and that kept on ringing in my head for days. I'm still shaken as I think of it.

Monkeyboy said...

Maybe I'm a bit deaf.

Headhunter said...

You what?

drakefell debaser said...

Max, I pity your ears that song should only be listened to with earphones.

Not to bring back bad memories or anything but you should watch the literal take of the music video.

http://ow.ly/jz1D

Anonymous said...

Turn around...

max said...

DD, that's absolutely awesome, only that it will stay in mind again for another few days now. It's one of those tunes.

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