The Talbot: The Story Continues


We've had a few people contact us to tell us about the signs outside The Talbot, advertising its lease. We've been trying to find out what this means for the much-anticipated plans to invest some money in it.

Today, we got our answer in this statement from Punch:

"The pub has indeed been up for let. Punch is now in the final stages of confirming a lease agreement with new licensees. The refurbishment is still planned for early next year as previously stated, the details of which will be discussed in partnership with the new licensees."

13 comments:

Hugh said...

Praise be. The sooner the incumbents are out the better. Once the place is done up the less desirable elements of the clientele might also melt away.

Headhunter said...

Wouldn't get too excited yet! We don't actually know that the new owners/leaseholders are even interested in renovating the old place. They may just keep it as it is and scrap plans to do it up - I don't see how the previous lessees (ie Punch) can forced the new people to proceed with plans that Punch set up. But then, Hugh, you're the lawyer I guess!

However it would seem unlikely that someone would take over the lease of a pub in such a bad state only to leave it as it is...

Hugh said...

Headhunter, my thoughts precisely. We'll see.

David said...

Let's hope the new lessees of the Talbot use a bit more imagination/style than the Wickham Arms have done. The outside decking etc looks v tacky and the new sign would not look out of place in the eighties on a "berni inn". V disappointing for many living nearby.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Headhunter, you clearly don't understand the property ownership arrangements that relate to the Talbot but for your information I will clarify the situation.

Punch are the freeholders of the Talbot. They own the building and the land on which it stands and will continue to do so, as a long term investment.

They will grant a lease of the building to new occupants for anything up to I suspect 20 years for them to run the pub as a business. These occupiers pay rent to Punch which earns Punch income for its shareholders. This new lease will be on the condition that the new leaseholders invest money into the business and do the property up.

The proposals Punch previously obtained planning permission for, were quite extensive and tasteful but the new Leaseholders may have their own ideas.

As a regular I can also confirm to Hugh that some of the clientele are quite civilised and more desirable than he seems to think....

Hugh said...

Thanks Michael - good to know.

Anonymous said...

Hugh,
are you from Brockley?
I somehow doubt it.... But wherever you are from, are there not pubs that attract locals only? Do you not think that every community needs a diverse range of leisure activities for a diverse range of interests? As Brockley is (and has been for a long time) a very diverse place there are obviously going to be pubs where people you deem as 'less desirable' go to drink. Why is this such a problem for you? why do you think that if you don't like them then it is somehow your right to claim the pub from them? I suggest you find somewhere else to drink rather than trying to get rid of people who have probably been drinking in the Talbot for 20 years. Try the Royal Albert or the Amersham Arms (they've got rid of all of their less desirable patrons).

tyrwhitt michael said...

22 years in my case.....

Hugh said...

Anon, if you're asking whether I was born in Brockley, I wasn't. In any event, it's irrelevant where I'm from.

As to my views on the Talbot, it looks from outside like a day centre for welfare drinkers. I'd like that to change.

Do I have the right to want this? As much as anyone.

As for drinking elsewhere, thanks for your suggestion, and I do already. But I live here and want a local that at least looks welcoming.

Anonymous said...

So Hugh, you moved to Brockley knowing what it was like and now you want to change it?
You didn't say that you only wanted the outside to change, you clearly said that if it was done up then "the less desirable elements of the clientele might also melt away".
That's what got my back up, it has a whiff of social cleansing about it....

Pete said...

Sadly gentrification does lead to social cleansing. Many people will desire this without realising it.

Headhunter said...

In Hugh's defence, as Brockley's population evolves what local people want from local amenities will change too.

Perhaps 20 years ago Brockley's residents were happy with a couple of local shops and pubs, however now we want cafes and delis etc, however interestingly not Waitrose or Foxtons which seem to make some people feel sick! It seems that even Nu Brockley-ites have boundaries!

I can see that it would be nice to retain places where new and old residents of Brockers to co exist (perhaps this has been managed at the Wickham Arms?), but I think both parties have a right to demand something from the local environment and you have to admit, whether you have lived in Brockley for 20 years or 2 years, The Talbot could do with a lick of paint and some new wallpaper!

Michael, thanks for the info on lease/freehold for The Talbot. As you correctly poited out I know nothing about this but now I do...

tyrwhitt michael said...

The latest news is that new licencees have been agreed and they are a company that runs two other pubs in south london. One I think is on Lordship Lane but nothing is official yet.

I believe the other pubs are classed as Gastro pubs with the emphasis on food.

Watch this space.

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