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Is "the prettiest street in London" Manor Avenue? It is stunning; I remember first encountering it about a year ago, walking back to my place in Deptford from a friend's house in Geoffrey Road. A really stunning streetscape.
Yes, I love my street (Manor Avenue), it certainly has a lot going for it. Not sure about the prettiest street in London, but it ain't half bad
Yes, I think Manor avenue is certainly nice. I'm abit miffed by the replacement houses with flat roofs about half way down.Either manor avenue or upper brockley road would get my vote in the conservation area. outside, obviously revelon road!
What houses with flat roofs halfway down? I can't think if any on Manor Ave and I walk along there all the time (of course)
I'm very fond of Tyrwhitt Road, dog turds aside.
Its kind of hard to describe, and actually, thinking about it they may not have flat roofs. But i think there must of been a bomb drop on a couple of houses and they have been replaced with two weird looking ones which are quite different to the ones on either side. They are about half way down, on the western side of the road. In my opinion its a let down to a very nice street.
There are a few with two or three storey flat roof extensions on the side - the top of some of these have been turned into rather nice roof terraces.
Ah I know what you mean. I assume in fill from bombs in the. But there are literally only 2 or 3, not like the bottom end of Wickham Rd where a V2 fell - there's a whole 1960s housing estate there now.I think some people have extended upwards above their doorways which were built on the side of the main buildings, so instead of the original single room above the hallway, there's another floor or 2 which is unfortunate
ah ok. I did wonder about that v2 site. Its quite interesting really. Loads of post war development circa 150's to 1970's, hence the conservation area status in early 1970's. You can really get a feel for how they butchered the area and how people felt.
[headhunter] You're right, there's a lot of that kind of thing. Surprisingly few of the bigger mid-(19th) century houses have remained unaltered.On the other hand, most of the post-war buildings (Wickham Road aside) have been constructed with some sense of proportion, are set back from the road, and are located on fairly wide, spacious streets, so the streetscape of the area has been preserved fairly well.When they were digging up some water mains in, um, Drake Road (I think, or a neighbouring one) I noticed that the original setts were still under the tarmac. If they were uncovered, and we could somehow get rid of the lamp-posts (and cars) the area would be quite recognisable to the people who built it.
Those original sets are under the tarmac on Coulgate too. If you cross at the back of The Barge (by the bins) you can see them where the tarmac has lifted off the drainage area.
i really love the little roof gardens that people have created on the flat roofs above their doorways/stairwells/hallways. Some look really impressive, from street level. Its clearly a result of the fact that the area is far more dense than it was originally built to be -- but this is a positive way to adapt our living spaces. Do the council encourage /allow this?
You might need planning permission and a structural survey, depending on the size of the thing. A few pots on an existing flat area isn't likely to be an issue.My flat looks out onto an excellent flat area on top of the dormer of the flat downstairs - there's even a ladder onto it - but I'm a bit fearful of trying anything in case I end up in their kitchen, with two broken legs, still comedically clutching a few geraniums.
I don't know if those houses really are much more densely populated than they were designed to be. The large houses on Manor Avenue would have obviously been family homes - parents and possibly quite a few kids. Then there would have been servants/gentleman's gentleman/house maid etc who may have lived in the attic/basement room. So in a house which now may be split into 2-4 flats, there may have been 6-8 people in the late 19th century. As for those massive piles on Wickham, they would have probably housed even larger numbers.
I've browsed through the 1881 survey for Brockley and Manor Avenue (had a slightly different name then) had several houses that were boarding schools. Some for girls and some for boys - about 12 students each plus teachers and maids - so yes, a very high density level in some of the houses.If you want to do a free search for 1881 the best place is:http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.aspPart of the Latter Day Saints website.
The sets are visible to the north end of Tyrwhitt Road as well, although they are covered at the moment by a workman's compound.The workman ironically are repairing the adjacent pavements not redoing the road which is full of potholes hence the visible sets.I wonder if any of the tram lines are still buried in Lewisham Way? Has anybody seen any when the road has been dug up?
Yeah, Manor Ave used to be Manor Rd until 1938 I think. If Lewisham council fails to replace street trees, it may as well be a simple road again!
Bea - how do you use that census search thing? I can only see an option to search for a specific name. How did you find out that houses on Manor Ave were boarding schools?
Headhunter - I put in a fairly common name such as "George Jones" said he was born in Kent Deptford St Pauls and that the census was taken in the same place. You then have to browse through the names until you find a household with a Brockley address. If you then keep clicking next household you can work your way up and down the streets and see who lived in them. A bit long winded I know but interesting when you find a road you know.
Oh bugger, all I get is "no results found"...
Have you chosen the British Census from the drop down menu? Then if you input the other information it should come up with about 114 George Jones in Deptford in 1881 - good luck!
Breakspears, Wickham are looking pretty fine at the moment, with the blossom. You look up or down either of those wide streets and you're just regaled with rows of budding trees. (and a few cars)
I BELIEVE WICKHAM RD STANDS A CHANCE OF OVER-TAKING THE BEAUTY OF MANOR AVE ONCE THE TREES HAVE GROWN ALL THERE LEAVES .STUNNINGLY SHADY IN THE SUMMER
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