True confessions

The wishlist of local shops and services BC readers would like to see in the area grows ever longer, but there's a dark side to this issue, an aspect people whisper about shamefacedly but which hasn't yet been dragged out into the light.

So it's time for Brockley Central to go a little bit Oprah and ask for readers' true confessions - what local shops and services wouldn't you use? What's currently on offer in the area that wild horses couldn't drag you into?

To kick the discussion off, this little corner of BC has to admit that we wouldn't use a local hairdresser. That's not to cast aspersions on their abilities, we're sure they'd do an ok job. But after years of searching we've finally found somewhere we like, which doesn't make us feel uncomfortably untrendy or ripped off, and unfortunately it's not in Brockley.

We also have to admit that we can't imagine a world in which we'd set foot in Gulen's winebar, simply because it has always seemed a bit odd and extremely unwelcoming. Please feel free to contradict if you've had positive experiences there though.

So there we go - BC's true confession. What's yours?

125 comments:

Tressillian James said...

The Money Shop - I think those things just prey on the desperate.

Agree about Gulen's Wine Bar - haven't ventured in as I always thought something other than quaffing wine would be taking place...

ElijahBailey said...

I use the butchers in East Dulwich. I've used them for about 3 years now and see no need to change.

The Thai restaurant in New Cross rather than the one here.

Barbers up in Moorgate.

Hugh said...

This is easy.

All of them, bar the coffee outlets near the station, Costcutter when absolutely desperate, the newsagents and deli at the end of Tyrwhitt Road (very handy for us locals).

I understand the need for fresh copy daily, Nick, but can we have a more honest approach to this 'I really care and worry about local business' stuff?

I'm sure most of us spend money in town before spending money locally and have no intention of changing.

Anonymous said...

Dukes Night Store....not sure what's that all about. Been in there once at about 11:30, very drunk and was served through a little slot in the steel barriers.

Brockley Kate said...

"I understand the need for fresh copy daily, Nick, but can we have a more honest approach to this 'I really care and worry about local business' stuff?"


Erm, look again - I wrote that piece, Hugh.
I have no idea what Nick's view about local business is, but mine is 'use it or lose it' - so the question is, what are BC readers prepared to lose?

Brockley Nick said...

@hugh - well leaving aside the fact it's Kate's article, I can assure you that we're not just pretending to care about local businesses. Personally, I want good ones to flourish and bad ones to wither, to be replaced by something good.

If nothing else, Hugh, it'll be good for your house price, which is what we care about most of all!

Hugh said...

Nick, on that basis, I'm concerned that you lot spend a lot of money locally.

Kate, sorry about that.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

I would like to lose 'etneral jerk'. It just gives me the creeps every time i see it.

..something from a third world country springs to mind.

Since the delis around the station have opened, I do actually shop there rather than the other option (M&S at London Bridge) so Hugh i have really made that step to shop local. The good thing is that i actually think it is better value too.

Also I'm please to say that Degustation has up'ed its game in recent months. It has a clear identity now (selling cakes,desserts and wine) compared to dandelion blue.

I shop in both at least once a week.

Anonymous said...

Deli on the end of Tyrwhitt Road? I don't know that one- is it any good??

In terms of what I wouldn't use I'm a little like Hugh here - the answer is most places apart from the delis, coffee shops and costcutters v. occasionally. I have never once been to any shop on Lewisham Way because they all seem so tatty and despite decent reports on this site about Meze Mangal I still cannot bring myself to going in there. The one anomaly to my snobbery is Sounds Around, which has an under used dvd collection and therefore almost always has a latest release I want.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Oh, and even though i dont live on the 'light side', lets lose that horrible 'turf accountant' opposite TM2.

It took me a while to realise what a turf accountant is (im a chartered accountant), now that i know that its basically a bookies, lets lose it.

anything associated with proper accoutants like this has to be bad!

fabhat said...

Not all of us do that Hugh. I work from Brockley, so perhaps it's easier for me to use the local outlets. but the last time I had a dinner party (how retro I know) we did all the main shopping locally: meat from the Ewhurst road butcher, wine from Mr lawrence, pates from degustation, cream and herbs from dandelion blue. We were going to go to borough and do the shop, but then thought we'd give the local versions a go instead. It saved us time, probably money (definitely in terms of the meat) and it felt like we were supporting our local businesses. Places like TSOTH have ordered in items for us that haven't been in stock, and I like going to shops with walking distance who are friendly and say hello.

The food went down well too...

Anyway - on topic I would never use the fried chicken joints or the money change shop. Oh dear, I'm coming out as all middle class aren't I?

Hugh said...

The deli at the end of Tyrwhitt is your standard Indian corner shop, full of tinned stuff, a few newspapers and brown bananas (which I happen to prefer).

Then there's the smarter newsagent round the corner on Loampit Vale.

Both very hand at weekends.

Hugh said...

Threads like these make me think I'm one of those time-poor city drones the Standard loves to write about.

Anonymous said...

The delis. I've got to be honest - smelly ham, smelly cheeses and red wine just don't interest me.

Anything connected to fair trade always puts me off as it always seems to be put above taste and texture.

The chip shop round the corner from the roundabouts - not very nice chips unfortunately.

Brockley station.

Anonymous said...

The hairdressers - to put it bluntly, can you still go in if you're not looking for an afro weave? There's even one in ladywell called 'Rosa Parks' - can't help but feel a message is being given out there (not to denigrate her struggle etc.)

fabhat said...

Hugh, if you're time poor, surely grabbing some food on your way home from the station is very time effective? Mix in a home delivery service (from any major supermarket)for your heavy stuff and an organic veg box and you can gain at least an hour back - which you can spend looking for price dropped west london pads...

Brockley Kate said...

Anon - there are several hairdressers around that seem to take all comers - mostly in Crofton Park, but there's one on Harefield Rd by the Shop On The Hill too.

Brockley Kate said...

Other places I'd be happy to lose: the fried chicken takeaway, the bookies, nearly every shop on Brockley Cross.

I feel a bit bad about Sounds Around, as I've always thought they were a waste of space, but I've read a few comments on here recently saying they're good for DVDs. So perhaps I'll give them a reprieve ... ;-)

Headhunter said...

I wouldn't use the fried chicken joints that abound in Brockers, or the MOT garages - probably because I haven't got a car. I would never use any of the turf accountants in Brockers - be they Coral or some independent. Just not a betting man or much of a risk taker.

BTW Andy, turf accountant is a recognised moniker for a bookies and not just some wag in Brockley trying to infer some respectability on a betting shop

On the subject of Eternal Jerk, I noted that someone has added "off" to the name last weekend - or perhaps that has been there for ages. I rarely venture over to the dark side of Brockers.

I must admit, I don't buy that much locally, but I'm trying to change that by going to the delis, Mr Lawrence (for the great selection of wines and local beers) and will try to use Wellbeloved in future. Also walked to Lordship Lane last Sat, then up to Dulwich Village and round to Forest Hill and on the way discovered fishmongers in Nunhead - something Soper? Looked good, and another fish place on Lordship Lane which was v busy.

Other than that I buy a lot on the net - I can shop whilst at work and everything gets delivered to my door. Saves a lot of effort.

Re the hairdressers - I went to an Afro Carib style place in Catford when I lived out that way a few years back. They looked at me a bit strangely when I arrived, but were then really welcoming, offered me a cuppa etc and I got a good haircut pretty cheap

Bea said...

What I don't use and am unlikely to go into are:

- the Doorstep Bakery (prefer a bakery that does something other than white bread)

- Gulen's Wine Bar (which looks permanently shut - although the Gulen's kebab place is still open)

- both the bookies

- Fried Chicken shop next to the post office and one near Moonbow Jakes (tried them both once - both times a big mistake)

- nail / beauty shops (although they always look full)

- the money shop; and

- all the shops around Brockley Cross - I did use the florist -Nicky Fiander - but sadly that has closed down now

As to shopping locally - Hugh maybe the problem is that the shops your way are limited (especially if you are near the St John's end of Tyrwhitt Road?) whereas for many the local shops around Brockley station are on the way home and easy to pop into rather than queue at London Bridge M&S and maybe miss your train.

Brockley Kate said...

Headhunter - I walked to Lordship Lane on Saturday too! Maybe we passed each other ...

The Nunhead fishmongers is a bit legendary, it's fantastic. Definitely worth a walk over there on the weekend.

spincat said...

Fried chicken joints - yes, I have tried them as I try almost everything once, but I wouldn't go again.

Not that keen on nail bars - nails give me the creeps; just a personal phobia.

I love Eternal Jerk. In fact I have it - in a previous guise- on a main page of a travel website I contribute to. I've had the odd Japanese tourist email me as a result saying they want to see it!
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/7ac7c/

I'd like to go to Gulens Winebar - I always say that places which have snaps up of staff and punters enjoying themselves are very, um, lively

Anonymous said...

The fried chickens aren't a patch on the KFC drive through on Old Kent Road, or alternatively the smaller franchise in Catford.

Anonymous said...

You love Eternal Jerk - in what way? When is it ever open?

The Nunhead fishmonger FC Soper is well known for being excellent.

brockley mutha said...

anything that sells fried chicken or headstones, or takes bets or cashes cheques. I've never used the flower shop next to moonbow jakes, or any of those dodgy chinese takeaways. I can't bear Gogi's on Brockley Road or the pharmacy next to it and never go into either. I avoid all the Bestways (or whatever they are called). Nothing at all on Lewisham Way except petrol from Tesco and frames from the little framing shop which is good - and cheap.

On the plus side - I've bought a superb and cheap SMEG cooker from that dodgy cooker and fridge place on brockley road. But it was a painful experience and I don't need another one so I'd be glad to see that go.

I have had a lot of furniture reupholsterd at Starbucks - and don't want that to go. I like Moonbow Jakes and the delis (although don't use them much).

we need to keep our postoffice.

I avoid all businesses on Brockley Cross - particularly dodgy TV repair shop. Although I have used the timber yard and think its pretty good. But timber isn't an every day purchase, so it can go, unless Hugh wants to deck his back garden before he puts his property on the market.

ElijahBailey said...

What's wrong with the pharmacy!? They are always very polite and friendly.

Headhunter said...

Spincat - Just looked at that website and have realised you are a woman... I had always assumed you were a guy... Don't know why, funny the assumptions one makes on the net!

Re Eternal Jerk - is it ever open? And if it is, is it safe to use? I wonder where it ranks in the "Scores on the Doors" thing

Kate - yeah, had a nice day on Sat, went for brekky at TM2 at about 10, wandered down to the famers market on Telegraph Hill Park and then onwards stopping here and there for snacks, coffee, drinks etc. In about 18 months or so of living in Brockley I had never done that walk - I tend to whizz in and out of town by train or bike and not see much in between. I recommend the exploration!

Bea said...

Brockley Mutha - the chemists on Brcocley Road is actually quite good and has a very large selection of products. Just curious why you don't like / use it - was the service poor?

Monkeyboy said...

TV repair shop that can go. Who needs it these days?

I've used the MOT garage (does your normal garaging stuff too!) Yes it would be nice if it was hidden away somewhere or at least lose it's used car lot but it is a good, professional place - just not the best looking.

Anonymous said...

Ever since I saw that documentary showing footage of bored factory workers kicking chickens to death I haven't been able to set foot in a high street fried chicken joint. Lose them all.

Anonymous said...

Which is the best MOT place? If we all resolve to only use one of them then we can put the squeeze on all the others.

brockley mutha said...

any of those shops at the top of Manor Avenue - valuing my personal safety as well as my mobile phone and ipod, i don't even walk past those.

one of the drycleaners near crofton park station - i can't remember what is was called but the proprietor smelt so bad I immediately changed my mind about leaving my clothes. My usual drycleaner - next to petrol station on brockley road - is great.

I do occasionally use the car washing service at the bottom of wickham and think its good, but wouldn't be sad to see it go (people's livelihoods nothwithstanding).

I can't get my head round sounds around - never been in it, although I was briefly tempted by the current stock of 50p chilli plants.

the laundry next door does a good service wash for duvets. Avoid the one in Ladywell. In fact avoid all the shops in Ladywell, except for the pharmacy.

brockley mutha said...

@ bea and Elijah bailey. The changed hands a few years ago and went to pieces during that process. It was two weeks of delayed prescriptions and slow service. I'm sure they've got all their problems ironed out now, but at the time it was such a frustrating experience that I completely gave up on them, and started using the pharmacy in Ladywell.

ElijahBailey said...

Ah right. Well they are fine now. Very efficient.

Anonymous said...

Chicken shops should go - apart from when I'm starving after a night out and it suddenly seems like a good idea. Likewise Dukes - great for when you run out of alcohol or fags at 4 in the morning.
Bests MOT? Mersh Bros in Algernon Rd. Been going there for 20 years; friendly, helpful and if your car's going to fail due to a broken bulb, they put one in free of charge. They also have a great repair company there.

Anonymous said...

So apart from the fried chicken places, the bookies, the MOT centres, all the shops in Ladywell, all the shops on Lewisham Way, the nail bars, Gulen Wine bar, The dry cleaners, costcutters, Duke's night store, eternal jerk, the money changers, the chinese takeways, Gogi's, Bestways, the old whitegoods shop,anywhere that sells headstones, anywhere in Brockley Cross, the tv repair shop, all the shops at the top of Manor Avenue,

- Brockley has got some great shops.

I make it about 3. Broca, Dandelion Blue and Degustation, all of which have been open less than a year. Make you wonder why everyone lives here really...

Hugh said...

Fabhat, I may be time-poor but that doesn't mean I'm happy to grab crap food from any hole in the wall on the way home.

I order online and in advance.

The body is a temple, old fruit. Do come and worship.

brockley mutha said...

@anon of 11.28. and you chose to live here because of the shops I take it.

Tamsin said...

Yes, give Sounds Around a reprieve. Any organisation that still uses a card index system (combined in their case with a comptuer list) is worth it just for the experience.

And they are brilliant for odds and bits and silly little presents for pre-teen girls.

Anonymous said...

I think you'll find that those 3 have been mentioned too.

Different strokes for different folks!

Headhunter said...

Monkeyboy - What's wrong with a TV repair shop? We should be encouraging repairs of anything as an antidote to the disposable society we live in. I always think it's a shame to have to trash entire electrical appliances, purely because something minor has gone wrong which, for want of someone who actually knows how to repair it, is perfectly good.

Brockley Mutha - what shops on Manor Ave? I'm not aware of any. Or do you mean shops on Lewisham Way opposite the end of Manor Ave

For once on this blog everyone seems to agree - pretty much every shop in Brockers apart from the newcomers like Degustation, DB and SOTH can go!

Anonymous said...

Brockley Mutha - take the lemon out off your mouth - it was supposed to be a light hearted comment.

Anonymous said...

Because sometimes a minor defect can be the excuse you need to buy a nice new telly. In an era of credit crunch grumbling and carbon-obsession, the odd bit of consumerism can be nice.

brockley mutha said...

@ headhunter. aren't there some at the top of the road opp ashby house. or have i been avoiding completely the wrong road all this time.

brockley mutha said...

@ anon 11.39

as was mine

Brockley Kate said...

Headhunter - a slightly pessimistic analysis there! I'd also save City Noodles, the Brockley Rd Costcutter, Longtime Cafe, Brockley Kitchen, the pharmacy, the post office, the fish n'chippie on Harefield and the other one just off Brockley Cross, the holistic massage place, the estate agents, the Wetherspoons (shock horror!), Magi ...

Headhunter said...

You shouldn't need a new electrical appliance to make you happy in "an era of credit crunch grumbling and carbon-obsession"! Try looking beyond the TV and DVD player!

In any case buying a new appliance every time the old one goes wrong just encourages manufacturers to make more cheap, crappy, unreliable rubbish that goes wrong after a couple of years just so that you spend more money on a new one to keep their shareholders happy!

Bea said...

And here’s a list of the shops / eateries I use and would hate to loose and to prove that there are more than just three decent places:

- Shop on the Hill
- Ecosium
- Fishy Business
- The laundrette’s opposite The Barge
- Sounds Around (great for DVDs and a trip down memory lane when many corner shops were like this)
- Coscutters
- Post Office
- Toads Mouth Too
- City Noodles
- Degustation
- Dandelion Blue
- Sid the Plumber
- The Chemist
- Brockley Kitchen
- Lydia’s (something or the other) the florist
- Moonbow Jakes
- The hardware store near the Co-op

Headhunter said...

Brockley Mutha - I think you're thinking of the shops along Upper Brockley near the Wickham Arms aren't you? Most have them have now been converted into flats, but I think a couple still linger on as shops, but really only a couple if not just 1.

I've lived on Manor Ave for over 18 months and have never seen a shop anywhere along it!

Time for you to re-visit the Manor...

Anonymous said...

Hugh, you say your body is a temple?
I have to admit I'm not picturing Angkor Wat. But to give you the benefit of the doubt lets see a photo so mass can begin.

Tressillian James said...

@ Headhunter - no, I wouldn't want them all to go apart from the delis and the cafe's.

I want to keep the ironmongers near moonbows - great to pick up stuff and not run down to B&Q. I also would keep a Costcutters type store - many pensioners don't want to trek somewhere to get there shopping.

What I would get rid of - and so would many here, are the run down, foul newsagents cum off license cum sweetshops that litter the parades.

Bea said...

Brockley Mutha - I think you mean the shops at the end of Upper Brockley Road (where the Chritmas shooting / attempted murder took place) and not Manor Avenue.

Hugh said...

Does anyone here actually go for a coffee locally at weekends?

Then what?

Anonymous said...

Yep. Coffee, cake, 3 way action with the twins next door.

brockley mutha said...

@ headhunter. I think i've got the wrong road. it's upper brockley road, not near the wickham arms, but right at the top where it meets lewisham way. there are about five shops there.

Hugh said...

When did Monkeyboy start calling himself anonymous?

Anonymous said...

I agree with the removal of grotty newsagents, fried chicken (though NOT fish n chip) shops and most kebab houses.

I'll keep Fishy Business, and the dodgily named Dominic's Pizza.

Brockley Kate said...

Hugh - I pop into the Broca for a hot chocolate quite often on weekends.
I only spotted recently that they've got a book exchange going, which is fantastic. Worth calling in for just to check out the rest of Brockley's reading tastes!

Monkeyboy said...

I bought a big new telly and a surround sound system. I can testify that it made me VERY happy.

In fact I bought that before my posh Habitat sofa - very much a boy's way of doing things.

brockley mutha said...

@ headhunter. apologies for maligning manor ave. rephrasing my earlier post to read.

anything at the top of Upper brockley road. I value my life.

i'm also disappointed to note that nobody has brought up the crack houses. Where do they fall in the use 'em or lose 'em debate.

Bea said...

Hugh - yes - I go for a coffee at Ecosium, Toads Mouth Too or Moonbow Jakes.

What do you do at the weekends? Stay at home, lock all the doors and never venture forth (unless by bike to escape) in case your temple gets damaged.

Surely there was a reason you decided to move here? Brockley’s not all that bad and how can you make a judgment if you never try any of the local establishments? No sense of adventure?

brockley mutha said...

Why don't people like the newsagents. I'm a big fan of my local newsagent. useful and very nice. ditto the newsagent/general store/post office opp weatherspoons.

spincat said...

I agree with headhunter re TV repair shops - any kind of repair shops are good.
Als I hate the way TVs got cheaper and then suddently crap new ultra expensive types of TVs got invented to make us spend more money. I can't see what is good about teh new ultra-expensive TVs.

headhunter said...

On behalf of Manor Avenue and all her residents, I thank you for your retraction, Brockley Mutha

I must admit, I bought a big new telly recently. Might have been nice to have got the old one repaired though.....

Anonymous said...

I've lived in Brockley/Crofton Park for well over 20 years. When we first arrived there were greengrocers, butcher's shops and baker's shops all the way down Brockley Road to where the Babur is now. A few months later Tesco opened in Lewisham and within months most of the above had shut. Then Sainsbury's opened at Dog Kennel Hill and a few years later at New Cross and that put paid to almost all of the rest. People like to see the traditional shops but they don't use them much, so they can't survive unless they are very good at finding a specialist niche, e.g. the fishmonger's at Nunhead.

As I suspect most of you have not lived in Brockley very long, you probably don't know that there was a secondhand bookshop at Brockley Cross for many years. I miss that.

brockley mutha said...

@ spincat. I agree that repair shops are in theory a good thing. But I would exclude the one of brockley cross. Very friendly, pleasant, outwardly helpful. they closed down a few weeks ago. Just before they shut their doors for good, they returned my unrepaired light fitting (in rather worse condition than when I delivered it to them 2 months previously), but not my £10 deposit. There was much patting of seemingly empty pockets when I asked for it back, so I gave up on it as a bad job.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

last weekend i had friends over.

Firstly, went to telegraph hill to check out that farmers market.

Secondly, went to broca for a tea and a good chin wag.

Thirdly, walked up to hillyfields for a strole.

Fourthly back to mine.

Fifthly, to TM2 for a rather nice evening meal ( I'm happy to say they have also increased their standards - not a chipped plate in sight).

There is also a rather nice cementry on the 'dark side' with grade 2 listed buildings if anyone wanted to check it out.

spincat said...

That doesn't sound good - if you need a good reliable one, I recommend the one at Brockley Rise, just along from Le Querce etc

fabhat said...

Hugh, I wasn't suggesting "any old hole"for your holy temple. I think that Brockley has a good range of food shops/takeaways now and you're missing out by not using them.

Also,I think that most people on this site use at least one or two brockley shops on a regular basis and aren't just camping out here, waiting for the price crash so they can gazunder somewhere else.

My list of regular spending in and around brockley are:

LYLT
Smiles
Meze Mangal
LV Chinese supermarket (great polish rye bread)
broca
Toads Mouth
Moonbow Jakes
Diy store/post office on lewisham way
Cinnamon on Upper Brockley Rd
Post office sorting office (please don't get rid of it)
The Wickham
TSoTH
degustation
dandelion Blue
costcutters(good range of herbs)
mr lawrences
The Rivoli ballroom
Fishy business
Brockley kitchen
various newsagents
Pharmacy on brockley rd
florist (occasionally)

shops I'm too scared to enter (so far)

sounds around
Birds dress agency


I think a lot of my money is spent locally and I prefer that - when they create a local wedge card scheme or something similar I'll use them even more...

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Ah ok, shops I use:

Broca,
Dandelion Blue,
Cost Cutters,
B2days (darkside local newsagent)
Degustation,
TM2,
Shop on the Hill,
Sounds Around - (this is a VERY good shop - quirky, fun and surprisingly useful - they spend forever doing their impressive shop displays).
La Lantena

I have never been to Jam Circus (shame on me!).

Anonymous said...

Paraphernalia near Barclays - very good. Sells seconds, ends of range and secondhand clothes if more or less as new. Remarkable value.

spincat said...

Don't be scared, fabhat, to enter Sounds Around, they are so friendly - The Dress Agency on other hand is very scarey

Anonymous said...

I was almost frogmarched out of Brid's dress agency when my friend mentioned a charity shop purchase (he wasn't in fact passing judgement on the quality of the stock) but the owner immediately picked up on this and shrieked "this is not a charity shop!" Service with a smile.

The Doorstep bakery is my other big disappointment - the pastries are foul and slathered in some sort of syrupy concoction to hide their dryness. It's a shame they can't be persuaded to diversify into non-white bread - it would be great to have a local option somewhere between the supermarket Chorleywood cr*p and the delicious but pricey Degustation / Dandelion Blue selection.

Brockley Kate said...

I've been considering going into Paraphanalia, it looks interesting. I'm a bit worried about the potential to discover mega clothes-shopping opportunities so close to home though ...

tyrwhitt michael said...

I never use and would therefore not miss most take aways viz a viz:

Fried chicken
Chinese
Indian
Fish and Chips
Caribbean
Pizza (terribly expensive rip off)

But the notable exception is the Kebab shop.

I must have Turkish/Greek/Cypriot blood in me some where in the past. St George is from that part of the world isn't he?

Note to Hugh:
You are the first person I have ever heard call Taylors Food and Wine a "Deli". Even when the Taylors ran it, it was a grocers/corner shop.

The two Sri Lankan grocers down Loampit Hill are more Deli like and do stock a good range of fresh stuff. Outside Brockley I know....

Hugh said...

By the way, how can a confession be other than true?

Headhunter said...

Anon 12:18 - People have mentioned previously that there used to be independent bakers, grocers and butchers along Brockley Rd, as well as that book shop that used to be on Brock X.

It's a shame they've gone but as I've said before here, I'm not expecting them to be back, I think we might possibly see more top end shops coming to Brockers a la SOTH, DB and Degustation, but I don't think an average butcher or grocer could compete with the major supermarkets in the area, as you point out.

I think that little stretch of shops in Nunhead probably survives largely because there are no supermarkets in close proximity

barryls said...

Mr Lawrence, visitors and friends of mine LOVE this amazing and friendly wine shop. Use it or LOSE it!

Kar Klinik is pretty good for MOT's and the dry cleaners in Crofton Park opp. Post Office are pretty friendly.

spincat said...

'True confession' - the term isn't a tautology - there have been plenty of studies of false confessions, cf Gisli Gudjonsson

Tom said...

I do make the effort to go into most Brockley shops, particularly cos of the blog, but here's a couple tha it took me *ages* to go into.

I have been into the dress agency with a fashionista friend of mine. It sells mainly collectable designer gear and so is very expensive.

I can only believe that the store does a lot of mail order to stay open as even my wealthy fashion-writer friend was scared off by her.

I also regularly use the little shop on Upper Brockley Road (JB's?) for milk and the like.

It took a long while before I went in there but now it is fairly regular, and useful, place for little bits. Expect it to take a while to get served though - the guy behind the till is about 400 years old.

Anonymous said...

I, like most, wouldn't use any of the crap (and frankly quite scary) shops round Brockley Cross. Obviously this extends to all the bookies as well - v. scary places indeed. Would hope to see these all shut in the next few years as the demographic of Brockers continues to change (in my opinion for the better). Am fairly regular at Moonbows/Broca and do quite a lot of local food shopping at the refurbished co-op (crofton park end)- it almost looks, well.. kind of stylish!

Anonymous said...

Good to hear that the woman in Birds Dress Agency hasn't improved her service. I went in there when I first moved to Brockley over 23 years ago and she was scary then. I don't remember a second hand book shop though.
Moira

Hugh said...

spincat said...
'True confession' - the term isn't a tautology - there have been plenty of studies of false confessions, cf Gisli Gudjonsson


That only raises the question whether 'false confession' is a happy phrase.

Anonymous said...

I think it's a good phrase. X is subjected to days of interrogation. X eventually says 'Yes, I did it' so as to get a bit of peace. It's a confession but it's not true. Ergo, it's false.

Moira, the secondhand bookshop was more or less under the railway bridge, next door to a secondhand furniture shop which I think may originally have been the booking office for the Brockley High Level station umpteen decades ago. It also sold bric a brac. It was a very smokey atmosphere as the owner chain smoked. Don't know they covered the costs, let alone made a living, as they didn't seem to sell much.

Hugh said...

Anonymous said...
I think it's a good phrase. X is subjected to days of interrogation. X eventually says 'Yes, I did it' so as to get a bit of peace. It's a confession but it's not true. Ergo, it's false.


Question begged.

Next.

Monkeyboy said...

Sounds like Hugh is taking time out from representing banks that are about to go to the wall....

By the way I used to confess my mortal sins to an Irish priest in my miss speant Catholic youth. I actually used to make up sins for a laugh.

Am now a happy atheist...with a big telly.

Like most on here I've never used most of the shops around Brockley. To be honest I hate shopping so do mine in once weekly Sainsbury's blitz. The delis are strictly for stuff I simply cannot get elsewhere but appreciated none the less.

I popped into the new Co-Op. Seems to be spot on interms of price and range for local convienience store, shame there isn't one a bit closer to BX.

Anonymous said...

They could always perform a similar application of mascara and lippy on costcutter.

I don't mind though - in the times I visit Crofton Co-Op, there's usually a parking space outside it - hopefully not in the form of the precarious parallel parking on the residential streets opposite though!

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

Speaking of house prices, a house advertised a couple of weeks ago for 360k has now increased to 365k on my street.

Prices are still going up it seems around BX.

yaxu said...

I would never set foot in the homeopathy clinic. Not only is it based on unsupportable errant nonsense, but damaging too. For example, I picked up a leaflet in the (otherwise very nice) shop in the hill that was pushing anti-malarial homeopathic remedies among other things, and there is a strong anti-vaccine tendency amongst homeopaths.

In general though most of our shopping is local, from shop on the hill and costcutter. The need for fruit and vegetables and a decent (non extortionate) italian deli pushes us further to lewisham market though.

Anonymous said...

I do remember the bookshop now, thanks. I only ever used the butchers near the PO after it had closed down as a location for a doc I was producing on the ALF. The estate agents very kindly let us throw paint over its frontage. And there was certainly nowhere to go for lunch in those days- we ended up eating at Heathers in Deptford - another fine eaterie that has gone.
Moira

Tamsin said...

Didn't the second hand book and furniture shop burn down? It was extraordinary - very narrow entrance but going back, and back, and back in a wedge shape next to the railway line.

Anonymous said...

Yaxu

leave it to natural selection!

(if all the homoeopathists etc. try to protect themselves with the 'water that retains a memory of the molecule'. Then they will all die out and disappear in a couple of generations. . . .

Brockley Kate said...

I thought the Sunflower Centre did homeopathy, not the new(-ish) massage place?

Anonymous said...

The Sunflower Centre seems to have every alternative therapy going, including one that apparently works by getting the sucker... oops, client... to pick their favourite bottle of coloured water.

The measles epidemic in South London will, I hope, give many parents pause before refusing the MMR.

Anonymous said...

I'm all for it, as long as the vaccine is Fairtrade(tm), Organic, Carbon-Neutral and available from a nice deli.

Otherwise, it's just not fair to submit my Tarquin and Petronella to the risks.

brockley mutha said...

I don't remember the second hand book shop, but I do remember the second hand furniture shop next door that burnt down.

has anyone lived here long enough to remember the beautiful little shop, again under the railway bridge, that sold pretty painted french cafe furniture that the proprietor brought over from France of all places. it only lasted a few months.

Headhunter said...

I read about the furniture shop. It was before my time but was in the old entrance hall to Brockley Lane high level station, but yes, it burnt down apparently. You can still see the stone steps which led into the station between Dukes/that hairdressers and the bridge

Graeme said...

Ah yes, the second hand book/furniture shop which burned down. A very suspicious 'accident' in my view!

Anon 16.31 - Jacques Bienveniste's 'Memory of Water' claptrap theory was discredited due to its non-repeatability.

Hugh said...

If someone were brave enough to start up a proper bakery they'd make a killing.

There isn't one in SE London.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

A good bookshop is the way to go. Somewhere full of interesting old dusty books, where you can get lost for hours!

"The Brockley Bookshop" or other conservative names would suffice.

Tressillian James said...

Yes I remeber that shop - it emphasied on the shabby chic - but the prices were none too shabby.

Its funny how we all want a bookshop - but the one here closed down - admitedly we probably need a new bookshop - but I got a couple of nice Baedekers from the one that used to be under the bridge.

The junk shop was a real old curiousity shop - and just moving around the place was difficult as it was full to the rafters of interesting stuff. And yes, the fire was very suspicious.

Tressillian James said...

sorry first comment was refering to Mutha's french furniture shop.

BTW Mutha - I didnt feel I'd been here that long until you mentioned it - nice to have 'discovered' Brockers early. I've evn introduced one or two mates to the area

Headhunter said...

There's a bakers on that row of shops in Nunhead near the fishmonger. It looked like one of those bakers I remember from my childhood - no pretensions at being a French/continental patisserie, but rather one of those places that sells sticky, sugary confections and cakes with masses of icing, although they did seems to do a line in wholemeal bread and other slightlymore healthy foods. I'll have to go back sometime...

Headhunter said...

There's a bakers on that row of shops in Nunhead near the fishmonger. It looked like one of those bakers I remember from my childhood - no pretensions at being a French/continental patisserie, but rather one of those places that sells sticky, sugary confections and cakes with masses of icing, although they did seems to do a line in wholemeal bread and other slightlymore healthy foods. I'll have to go back sometime...

Anonymous said...

AP&P...erm...you read? books? now that IS a surprise.

Hugh said...

Headhunter, what use is a bakers in Nunhead to any of us?

But yes, I accept there is a bakers in SE London.

What I meant was, a good one.

Danja said...

Of course he does, he took his name from his favourite book.

g said...

I can't see an independent bookshop being viable around here for the reasons that probably caused Homeview to pull the plug; people generally buy/rent online because it's cheaper, and they can browse at leisure from the comfort of their own computer.

However, I think a book EXCHANGE has (potentially big) legs in this area, and I'll have to check out Broca's book-swap operation . I imagine that most of us have yards of once read paperbacks just taking up space and would either love somebody to take them off our hands, or exchange them for a small fee. (High volume, low individual margin - that sort of thing.)

The secondhand booksellers in Blackheath and Greenwich get inundated with requests to take shelves of books off people's hands (and are largely unable to handle the volume), and apparently charity shops now turn good profits from book-churning.

Who's in?

Brockley Nick said...

@g - if we can find a suitable place where the books can be left for exchange, I will happily create a communal thread, where people can post up the kinds of books they have to offer or hope to borrow. But you'd probably need to find a supportive business, with a bit of space to store them.

jon s said...

@g

for a book exchange why not try to meet at a pub once a week to do this? Everone brings 5 paperbacks to exchange (the aim eveone gets 1 book to read) and chats over a pint/coffee/glass of wine.

andy pandy pudding & pie said...

would anyone really be interested in margaret thatchers memoirs?

Graeme said...

@Nick - My idea was to have the exchange as an additional income to an existing business - which, in this area, I would identify as a slightly Bohemian coffee-shop type of place. (Moonbows?) Broca seems to have tapped into the local vibe very quickly, but books need yardage which their miniscule premises can't provide. I was thinking more on the lines of the Notting-Hill Hi-Fi Video Exchange.

My idea of this exchange/agency was based upon charging a small amount per transaction (as opposed to Broca's original and more philanthropic approach), in order to satisfy my greed and need to earn some wonga.

However,I'm now warming to Jon S's less pecuniary excuse for a piss-up.

brockley mutha said...

or @ the farmer's market every other week?

Sam said...

Hugh's "deli" on Tyrwhitt Road (the grocers) is great. The owners are friendly and provide excellent service - I mentioned that I wanted a couple of things and they bought them the next day at the Cash & Carry, and now I know that they will try to get your favourites in if you ask. And books - has anyone else heard of the BookCrossing - it's an online book swapping club. You sign up, print off labels and stick them in your unwanted (but loved) books, then pass them on. The label tells the next reader to look up the book's ID on the website and you can see it's progress around the town/country/world! You can find it at www.bookcrossing.com I have lots of books that need a new home....

Headhunter said...

Are we seeing the birth of a Brockley Literary Society? Or perhaps just an excuse for a more regular Broc Central piss up!

violetnights said...

I've used 'The Broca' once, when I was flat hunting and waiting for my flatmate to turn up, and visited Meze Mangal once which was exceptional for my experiences of small, local restaurants. Those were two highly satisfying experiences but, sadly, my only experience of Brockley retail.

My hairdresser is in Sidcup as I've been going there for years now and its close enough to still visit.

I would be tempted to buy from Dandelion Blue as I go past it all the time but fear that Tesco's is cheaper and I am on a tight budget.

I really enjoy reading this blog for the advice it gives on local features, and if/when I ever get a free weekend I intend to make the most of what people have said and go exploring...

Anonymous said...

The bakers in Nunhead is called Ayres and has been mentioned several times on this blog as has Sopers the fishmongers (been in the same family for over 100 years). Whilst its obvious why these two shops flourish (they sell fresh produce and adapt to what the customer wants) I'm not sure why two butchers manage to co-exist. Many years ago I asked if they would consider selling free range chickens. My request was met with complete disinterest.

Anonymous said...

There seems to be a surprising lack of charity shops in the area. Plenty of derelict premises though, presumably part of some property tax dodge by commercial landlords.

Anonymous said...

Shops full of yellow-stained Y fronts are not what up and coming areas are looking for!

Anonymous said...
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Brockley Nick said...

Sorry anon, but we can't allow unsubstantiaed allegations and therefore have had to delete your post. Not doubting you, however.

Anonymous said...
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Brockley Nick said...

It's not a question of supporting a local business - I do not think we should support bad businesses just because they are local.

However, I've no idea who you are or if what you say is true, therefore I don't want this site to be responsible for your claims. You could be a rival, someone with another grievance or something else entirely.

It's not censorship, you can create your own blog in five seconds and provide a link to it, if you wish.

Anonymous said...

I understand your stand point as a publisher, but I was just wanting to protect other people from being scammed.

Mollymog1 said...

I agree with the person who said "other than quaffing wine would be taking place. A friend of mine saw about 20 women of rumanian appearance [although cannot be sure] coming out the side door!!

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