Rorschach test

Nurse: He's not himself right now, his uncle has Hodgkins
Larry: Yeah, but it's the good Hodgkins.

Nurse: I didn't know there was a good Hodgkins.
Larry: I'm not saying it's a great Hodgkins. It's a good Hodgkins.

According to a recent study in the US, people who are more fearful are also more likely to be right wing. The researcher explained his findings as follows:

"You have people who are experiencing the world, who are experiencing threat, differently. It's just that we have these very different physiological orientations. We're not sure where they came from, they may be genetic, they may be something from childhood; we do know, though, that they run deep because it's a reflex, it's not something you can change tomorrow, the depth of that may be something of an asset in figuring out why people are so stubborn in their political beliefs."

This phenomenon may help to explain why one person visiting Brockley Central could conclude that everyone on the site is a bourgeois interloper determined to evict the noble working classes from a land that is rightfully theirs, while simultaneously, another reader is able to conclude that everyone on the site is a simple-minded, tree hugging fool, who needs to understand a little less and condemn a little more.

So that we can understand one another a little better, we'd like to carry out some local research.


Here is the site of the former pub, the Maypole, just west of Brockley Station. The hoardings shielding the vacant construction site have fallen over and the army of digicam wielding Samaritans that patrol our streets must have missed it.

When you look at it - remembering that the pub was demolished to make way for the Glasshouse development - do you see:

A) Another example of the shameful betrayal of working class culture, sacrificed to the gods of property speculation, worshipped in Bliar's Britain?

B) Another example of the inevitable decline of Britain, the hoardings no-doubt torn down by feral youth - no wonder everyone is emigrating to the Philippines?

C) Another example of the current property slump and something that needs tidying up until they start construction, but we're not sorry to see the back of the Maypole which was a pretty dreadful place. Which all just goes to show how appreciative we should be that the Broca has started up a useful new shop nearby, to bring a bit of sunshine to Mantle Road?


We're plumping for C.

48 comments:

nobbly brick said...

I'm seeing A, B, and B, but not all of B, and perhaps slightly less of C.

No wait, I'm seeing a blurry picture and I've not given an 'any other comments' option.

Another example of bad consultation.

max said...

An allotment?

max said...

A mudding fields for 4x4s!
(There's a muddy 4x4 parked on the Ladywell/Brockley borders that gets lovingly covered when it looks like it's going to rain so that the dry mud stays in place).

Tamsin said...

To answer the semi-serious question seriously - me, personally, mostly "A". But not so much on the "working class culture" basis but generally on the wholesale destruction of what with a little tweaking might still function. The general loss of pubs and pub-culture in the inner suburbs is a cause for concern - the cafe / deli culture that is replacing it is not so all inclusive.
Also the loss of names and a bit of history (anyone know why it was called "The Maypole"). And it wasn't an ugly building, and probably a damm slight better constructed than whatever will be put up to replace it.

osh said...

Nobbly, didn't u just use the any other comments bit? Another opinion not worth measuring! ;)

Monkeyboy said...

....or D) Final year project of a Goldsmith's student? Juxtaposition of the cone and something else...blah, blah, blah....

I've been here about six years now and had never been that side of the tracks before, only went to check out the shop. If I was typical of those living on the African savannah 40,000 years ago I would never have bothered looking over the next hill. We would still be clubbing each other over the head with animal jaw bones and grubbing for roots, never knowing Brockley existed.

Makes you think doesn't it....no?....just me then.

Monkeyboy said...

...actually, you-know-who's identification with the working classes is a fairly new phenomena. Not so long ago he was having a go at the feckless poor, along the lines of if you're poor you probably deserve it.

bagelmouse said...

Somebody was watching last night's Daily Show :-)

brockley mutha said...

I'm going to have to plump for B - only it was a feral big bloke with a shaven head, a tattoo and trousers half way down his backside. I'm still struggling to interpret what I saw. It could have been.

a) a returnee - from the phillippines - grieving for his previous watering hole.
b) the site foreman
c) Not-the-real-Hugh

The Cat Man said...

I first heard about this research weeks ago when I was in the USA. Not sure I agree with the conclusions reached and actually I'm quite happy to dismiss it as a bit of American tish-tosh.

Tamsin, I'd like to know the history. It was a shame the building got demolished I would of prefer converting it into something. Interestingly, west side does not have a local bar at all!

I thought youths knocked the hordings down or possibly the developer getting off their arse and doing something!

If I had to choose, I'd up for B although I actually think a mix of the three is more truthful.

Wasn't the maypole quite a rough place? I heard from my neighbours (who have been here for 7 yrs) that they had two bars, and on each side the locals were different ethnic groups. Scary stuff. The building should of remained but the function should be different.

max said...

"Wasn't the maypole quite a rough place? I heard from my neighbours (who have been here for 7 yrs) that they had two bars, and on each side the locals were different ethnic groups. Scary stuff."

...and quite possibly complete bullsh*t.

Anonymous said...

That calls for an ethnic debate!

The Cat Man said...

Yes, One side was full of ginger haired people and the other was not.

Honestly, It was something out of the ghetto... ..so I was told.

max said...

So, did your neighbours tell you that it was "something out of the ghetto" or did they specify that inside it was divided along ethnic lines?

The Cat Man said...

the latter. it was his own personal remark so im certainly not saying it was endorsed by the pub or anything.

From what I could judge, it was a case of 'walking in, looking around, and seeing two congregations of ethnic groups one at either of the two bars'.

Maybe it was a one-off and a unusually segregated night? who knows and who cares.

max said...

"Maybe it was a one-off and a unusually segregated night? who knows and who cares."

So why writing here about something that you don't know?
Maybe because any opportunity is good enough for you to write yet another bigoted xenophobic throwaway comment?

The Cat Man said...

oh grow up.

Anonymous said...

I'm now officially bored of Andy. This blog would be SO much better he were not here.

They Walk A-mung Us said...

I actually quite like Andy. I think he's a nice enough guy, funny and I share a lot of opinions with him. Live and let live...

Anonymous said...

yeah, hopefully not the nasty racist ones though. And he DOES have those....

Anonymous said...

I think he's hateful, tedious and I share few, if any, opinions with him

Tamsin said...

How is CatMan being personally racist by chucking into the debate about the passing of what was quite a nice building a comment that someone else had made about it as a pub?

max said...

Or how is Cat Man being personally racist by saying that his partner told him that he couldn't get a stall at the Christmas fair because the Council has decided that stalls will be assigned according to ethnic profiling and those for whites have already gone.

Or how can he be personally racist by saying that his Botswanian lodger says that you should be scared of groups of black men on the street.

Then there is his mum that has got issues with Steel Pan orchestras because not English enough.

And what about this one:

"I was told this by an associate who happens to know a senior female black judge that that was the case. i.e. black people cannot be racist. This is apparently what her view is in her court (the one next to more london place)."

Do you see a pattern?

The Cat Man said...

yes, I see a pattern. You seem to have 'issues' I suggest go see a councillor.

Interesting that only one of those points were in quotations. Anyway, enough jf these free angwr management sessions im offering to max, can we get back to the topic pls? Who can tell me the history of the maypole inn? I'm fascinated to learn more. Did they ever ban Ginger haired people?

nobbly brick said...

oh catman:

councillor is a local government official

counsellor is perhaps what you meant

unless the 'issues' are something to do with local government of course

4x4 said...

Did the Maypole really have two bars each catering for different ethnic groups?
Sounds like my kind of place-did they have a good wine list?

4x4 said...

I hope someone puts a nice gastro-pub on the site frequented by posh totty. That way we won't have diverse ethnic groups drinking in one of the two bars. They will be happily swigging down at the local Wetherspoons-happy days.

Headhunter said...

I think C, but it is a sham that so many of our local pubs are disappearing...

Headhunter said...

....I mean I think it's a "shame"...

Anonymous said...

A sign, if a sign were needed, to get down to your local this weekend.

max said...

Yes Cat Man, I have issues. Is it wrong to have issues?
I don't necessarily need to see a counsellor (or a Councillor) for each of them.
If for example I feel like taking issue with an internet troll on his throwaway xenophobic comments I just do it.

Emporer Mung said...

They Walk A-mung Us said...

I actually quite like Andy. I think he's a nice enough guy, funny and I share a lot of opinions with him. Live and let live...

06 December 2008 22:06

Saturday night on a local community blog?

You want to get out a bit more, mate.

The Cat Man said...

I think its pretty troll-ish to take issue with a internet trolls throwaway comments!!

max said...

Not if they are throwaway comments that feed the pet xenophobia of bigots and ignorants.

Emporer Mung said...

CatMan. The opinion I have of you is neither here nor there in this instance. What I object to is a cheap shot trying to fool and mislead readers by assuming others' nics. As he did with 4x4 too.

Mungaloid said...

Emperor Mung, you'd better provide some evidence to back up that assertion.

And just because Andy says something, don't assume it's made up... hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil?

nobbly brick said...

I don't know, there's a hint of the Vest in all these new nics

Anonymous said...

Unless andy has suddenly learned to spell and write a coherent sentence, he's not passing himself as anybody.

The Cat Man said...

Ok, im abit confused now. is someone implying that I am using other peoples names? why would I do that?

Mungol Hoardes said...

There are a few people here who find the views of some others so "abhorrent" that if more than 2 people agree with them, they assume that sockpuppet logins are being used.

Sad, isn't it. It must be strange living in their world - all the good people on one side, all the bad on the other.

max said...

Sadly I am very aware that quite a lot of people hold those opinions, but this doesn't make those opinions any better.

With the near fascist and borderline racist content of most mainstream British tabloids it's not uncommon to find regular people holding bigoted xenophobic opinions today in Britain.
I think that it's important that we keep on calling them for what they are.

The Cat Man said...

most mainstream tabloids are borderline racist? criky max,I honestly have no idea what kind of world you live in.

Very odd.

Next you will be saying that "the UK is to much like the UK therefore it needs to change to become more of something else, otherwise its too discriminatory to advocate any sort of British national identity over another countrys identity".

complete and utter b**shite.

Its the type of logic that the greens adopt to form economic policy - i.e. a load of toot.

max said...

Why do you think that I say something different from what I say?
I think I'm quite a straight talker, I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
Can't you read? I understand that higher education may have failed to achieve its goals with you but basic reading skills are picked up at primary level.

max said...

But thanks for so promptly providing another example of far right brain-dead banality that tabloids are made of.

Monkeyboy said...

Max, bite your tongue and move on. It's like kicking a photocopier when it chews up your paper. Photocopiers do that - they're just dumb machines, no point stressing about it.

max said...

I know, but if there's no challenge then it'll become the prevailing narrative. Like the comments on the Daily Mail.

Anonymous said...

Hope something gets built there soon.
I reckon what the West side needs is better street lighting and some murals.
Brockley Jim

The Cat Man said...

and it also lacks a decent pub

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