ELL2 gets go-ahead




The East London Line extension to Clapham Junction has been given the green light, after negotiations between the Department for Transport and Transport for London were successfully concluded and a £79 million budget agreed.

The project is relatively straightforward and therefore, the projected completion date is 2012, in time for the Olympics. Provision for a new station at Surrey Canal Road is included but construction of the station is subject to a review by TfL.

Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, said: “I am delighted that a long hard slog of negotiations between ourselves and the Department of Transport has borne fruit that will result in a superb new service for thousands of Londoners.”

Brockley residents will be able to get to Clapham Junction by changing at Surrey Quays.

BC Twitterers would have known this yesterday afternoon of course.

60 comments:

BrockleyBiker said...

Excellent news!

MB said...

My mole in the ELL team said they have an 'agresive' programme to acheive the current work - usually means ARRGGHH!! WE@RE LATE!!

..but these things often resolve themselves with the the appropriate head bashing.

BrockleyBiker said...

Actually they are ahead of schedule...

JP said...

MB and BB, who's right?

MB said...

Yes, I've read the press release.

JP said...

So, MB, are you saying that the press release is wrong, or BB's wrong for believing it?

Anonymous said...

Brockley residents can already get to Clapham Junction by a direct train...

Brockley Nick said...

Not in the morning, before 9am. And while it may be direct in one sense, but it is not direct as the crow flies, it's at least a 30 min journey.

I can't see the extension being particularly useful for Brockley residents, but the more ways in which Brockley integrates with the rest of London's transport network the better.

Together with ELL1, Thameslink at Crofton Park and the DLR expansion, we have done pretty well from public transport projects recently.

mb said...

dunno to be honest, just someone i know works on the project.

Tamsin said...

Dear Nick, your cup is always half full to overflowing. What about the river crossings being cancelled one after another?

Anonymous said...

good news!

what is the thameslink at crofton park please?

Headhunter said...

A few people have expressed regret that they have decided not to reopen East Brixton station on the ELL2 line.

ELL2 is simply utilising a line that was closed in the early 20th century, there is little land preparation to be done, the embankments and cuttings are still in place but obviously they have to lay new line and put in new points etc etc. Instead of Old Kent Rd station they are building Surrey Canal Road station a few hundred metres away and the new line will run through the old East Brixton station which closed in 1976.

There does seem to be quite a jump between Denmark Hill station and clapham with nothing in between. A stop at Brixton seems logical.

Danja said...

If I recall correctly, ELL2 means less trains on our bit - and who the hell wants to go to Clarm?

On the upside, it's good for other bits of SE London which desperately need better links.

Anonymous said...

Danja, not sure if there will be fewer trains on ELL but it will be great to be on the map. people will then realise how close and handy we are for the city, in time for its cyclical upswing.

Brockley Nick said...

@Tamsin - the river crossing cancellations are indeed very disappointing, but they are much wider problems for the whole of east (and particularly south east) London. My point is that of the main transport projects underway in London at the moment:

Crossrail
Thameslink
DLR expansion
ELL1
ELL2

All but one of these will directly benefit Brockley commuters. Even Crossrail will bring pretty big benefits to this area as it will take a lot of the strain off the Jubilee Line.

So, on that basis, I think our cup can be said to be more than half full.

Brockley Nick said...

@Danja - where did you get the idea that it will mean fewer trains for us? I don't think so.

Headhunter said...

Even Crossrail's pretty good for us as the ELL will once again pass through Whitechapel and Crossrail will go through somewhere near there (Liverpool St?) if memory serves, which will mean easier access to Heathrow etc

fred vest said...

why would you want to go to clapham junction in the first place?

Tamsin said...

The Sydenham Society went into the whole matter in great detail with existing and proposed new time-tables, having their own public meeting and effectively highjacking the one held in Goldsmiths as well. The result of the works will, as I understood them to be say, be fewer trains to certain central stations on the line that goes through Brockley and New Cross Gate. And for those in New Cross Gate in particular, already linked in to the docklands by the existsing ELL, it was extremely galling to be told by all the bodies concerned that they were busy doing wonderful things for our area and we should sit up and be grateful when what we were actually being dished up with was two years plus total disruption (pity the poor students and school children affected for whom this is a hugely significant timespan) with negative benefit at the end of it.
(Sorry, Nick, my cup usually isn't so empty - but there was a lot of aggravation on this that I picked up second hand.)

Anonymous said...

Because Clapham's a nice place to be? Bit hard for us to snipe from the "Blue Borough"...

Headhunter said...

According to a story postedhere many months ago, they had agreed that the ELL would result in no reduction in trains to central London I thought? Is that spectre back to haunt us again?

Anonymous said...

having gone through the Thameslink website at some length, I could not find information on Crofton Park. would someone mind elaborating on what's happening there? thank you

Danja said...

Ah, OK -seems either my memory was just wrong or they've changed the plans - I thought the overall frequency went up on central section with ELL2, but down on each of the spurs - but they do seem to be just adding 4 an hour to Clapham.

I agree with the on-the-map anon comment.

There's a direct interchange with Crossrail at Whitechapel.

Headhunter said...

No direct interchange at Whitechapel to Crossrail but it won't be very far down the road, Whitechapel station is going to be where Bishopsgate Good Yard used to be isn't it? Which is only a stone's throw from Liverpool St

Headhunter said...

Sorry, my mistake, Shoreditch High Street station will replace Bishopsgate Goods Yard rather than Whitechapel, Shoreditch HS station will be stone's throw from Liverpool St

Danja said...

... and there will be a direct interchange at Whitechapel.

Headhunter said...

Sorry misread your post, there I was waffling on about walking between Shoreditch HS and Liverpool St...

Anonymous said...

whitechapel will be on the crossrail line (as Danja said)

Anonymous said...

I live in New Cross and really miss the east london line. It was so handy, always a seat and so short (10mins from new cross to whitechapel). Why is it taking so long to extend!

I miss u !

Anonymous said...

Wasn't Crofton Park a Thameslink station up until a few years ago, or am I imagining things?

Rosie H said...

Yes, it was. I lived in Crofton Park in 1994/1995 and used to get that line to both Elephant & Castle and to Farringdon, where the campuses for my journalism college were located.

News that it's getting at least a temporary increase in services is of definite interest

Headhunter said...

It would certainly be great to get a Thameslink stop at Crofton Park. I always thouight it was crap that it stops at so many places as it crawls through north London, yet once it's hit London Bridge it basically whisks through south London without a single stop (I suppose unless you include the E&C, Herne Hill side)

Crofton Park Ranger said...

Crofton Park will go on to the Thameslink from March this year. For a while they will wont stop at Blackfriars, City Thameslink or Farringdon but they will go to St Pancras and then on to Kentish Town, Hampstead etc etc Luton, St Albans

+ I think 2 trains an hour becomes 4 or 6...

And you can change for the crossrail!

Pretty sweet eh?

Tamsin said...

At anonymous 18.50 - and after it opens again it will no longer be the start of the line so we can't sit in the relative comfort of the train and wait for it to start and we probably wont even get seats!

Monkeyboy said...

Bit drunk so forgive the ocasional shoddy english...

Is Surry Canal road in or out? I think it's subject to a businesses case, so has to prove whether it;s worth it. I drive past there when on the way to the reclamation site. The developments there would really beneifit from a station.

Going to bed now, got a meeting first thing.

Danja said...

Off the prozac, Tamsin?

You can always stroll down to New Cross if you want that end-of-line experience.

Anonymous said...

Brockley is end-of-the-line, just the wrong end.

Nice tip on using your phone to get platforms though, I used that at London Bridge today, about 10 mins before the boards showed the platform for the train I was on. I had seats next to me free for most of that!

Anonymous said...

so, forgive my ignorance, but what is the route from Crofton park into town now? and what is the route once it all changes and becomes part of T/link? thanks

Psyche9 said...

Crofton Park, Nunhead, Peckham, Denmark Hill, Elephant and Castle, Blackfriars, as present. Guess it will still stop at those places after March, is just it will go to St Pancras instead of Blackfriars (see Crofton Park Ranger above)

Tamsin said...

That's a thought for the mornings, Danja - how is that spur going to work into the timetable. Regular trains or just one an hour?

MB said...

Surry Canal Road? maybe. This is the extract from the press release.

"Provision for a new station at Surrey Canal Road has been included in the scheme. Construction of the station will be developed as part of the regeneration scheme for the area and will be dependent on a further value for money assessment that TfL is currently carrying out."

...and service frequency...

"It will provide four trains an hour in each direction between Dalston Junction and Clapham Junction calling at all stations en route"

Headhunter said...

Problem is with the Thameslink line from Crofton Park is that Thameslink or whatever the company is called these days has pretty much cut the service across London at weekends when it is of most use to me. So basically Thameslink trains terminate at London Bridge and then you have to get on the Underground to St Pancras and then back on Thameslink again at the other side. I use Thameslink to head back to my parents' place north of London, so without the service across London, this new stop is of little use.

Anonymous said...

@Psyche9
That's only during week days. After 21:00 and at weekends trains go to Victoria intead of E&C and Blackfriars.

Anonymous said...

So is it still going to be the East London Line or is it all going to be called The London Overground or whatever?

Headhunter said...

London Overground as far as I know. In fact Tube maps in central London already show interchanges to London Overground at certain stations. The idea, I thought, was to creat an outer loop round London by linking up with existing lines at Highbury and Islington and from Wimbledon round West London

Hugh said...

What does the ELL extension add?

Anonymous said...

great: thanks very mnuch for the info and update on CP.

Tressilliana said...

The Thameslink changes are good news.

http://www.thameslinkprogramme.co.uk/cms/pages/view/30

During the halcyon days when the Thameslink trains stopped at CP before, they went straight from Blackfriars through the Snow Hill tunnel to City Thameslink, Farringdon and King's Cross, then onto St Albans etc. Looks like the new trains will do much the same, but via St Pancras International and not stopping at Moorgate.

patrick1971 said...

Don't forget that we are also going to get direct Victoria services from Crofton Park once the current Victoria-London Bridge via Peckham Rye service is discontinued. Presumably these will stop at Clapham High Street, Wandsworth Road and Battersea Park also.

patrick1971 said...

I meant, "direct Victoria services all through the day, rather than just at evenings and weekends as at present".

Danja said...

Four an hour, same as every other spur, Tamsin. (Obviously the total/hour is much greater at NXG or Brockley, but there's your choice).

It has always seemed odd to me that they kept New Cross as well as NXG. They are only about 5 mins apart. I wonder if it has been kept to allow future expansion further than just one stop?

Headhunter said...

"During the halcyon days when the Thameslink trains stopped at CP before, they went straight from Blackfriars through the Snow Hill tunnel to City Thameslink, Farringdon and King's Cross, then onto St Albans etc. Looks like the new trains will do much the same"

Except at weekends which is pretty rubbish...

MB said...

Hugh, it's so that scalywags from peckham have an alternative route when invading your house, stealing your goods, drinking your wine, locking you in your cellar and buggering your labrador.

patrick1971 said...

"It has always seemed odd to me that they kept New Cross as well as NXG. They are only about 5 mins apart. I wonder if it has been kept to allow future expansion further than just one stop?"

My understanding is that whilst an extension to Lewisham at least would be ideal, there isn't enough track space without a reduction in mainline train services.

Knowing that, I would suggest that the reason New Cross was kept was so that the project wouldn't have to go through the extremely cumbersome process involved to remove a service, which could have scuppered the entire project.

Addtionally, although New Cross is pretty close to New Cross Gate, remember that the tube served all of Deptford and St John's as well as New Cross, so had that been lost, it would have meant an extra 6/7 minute walk to NXG on top of what is often a 10/15 minute walk home, so making the public transport option just that little bit more unattractive.

Anonymous said...

The ELL2 really isn't as wonderful as it sounds.

They are basically only building a few hundred yards of new track. And although there will be four trains per hour rather than the current 2, they will go to less useful places.

I frequently travel to London Bridge or Victoria. I have no desire, ever, to go to Dalston.

Moreover, they are not building the new station at Surrey Canal Road yet, they won't be making the existing stations fully accessible and - worst of all - there will be no new stations at Brixton or Loughborough Junction, even though the track passes right over the existing stations that are already there.

Basically it is an 'improvement' done on the cheap which won't really improve very much to services round here. A bit like ELL1 really.

If, however, you live where BoJo lives you've got the gold platformed, diamond encrusted escalators of Crossrail coming to a street near you soon .....

Brockley Nick said...

Anon you're probably right about the surry canal station, but otherwise that's way too miserable way to look at it. Of course there's not much work being done, that's why it's cheap and being done so quickly. No one's pretending it's crossrail. But the point is that it will create be the last link to build a complete loop of london, like the circle line. It's a nice new option for commuters, nothing more, nothing less.

Ell1 on the other hand is a serious, frequent mass transit system that will be a huge bonus for brockley.

Comment said...

ELL2 is a better than nothing but only just.

We in South London need to be under no illusion that Boris is not here for us. He is there for those that voted for him. The only thing we can do is hang on, hope that he doesn't do too much damage and make sure he is voted out at the next election.

JP said...

Erm... there are some in south London who voted for Bris.

Comment said...

Yes,indeed, just like there are some Turkeys who are partial to Christmas.

State the Obvious said...

Retaining the New Cross Leg means the ELL interchanges with South Eastern Services as well as Southern.

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