The pictures they didn't want you to see


They all wanted 'em, but we've got 'em. Another Brockley Central photo exclusive. Revealed for the first time, for those who haven't already walked along Wickham Road themselves. The road markings that couldn't have caused more outrage if they'd been painted by Jonathan Ross and that 13-year-old dad themselves.

Now Brockley Central long-ago declared which side of the war on street clutter it would fight on, but we have to say this doesn't look as bad as we expected it would, based on the comments we've read here. Bearing in mind that fresh road markings always look migraine-inducing but quickly fade, it could have been worse. Having said that, the first photo does show a rather confusing jumble of lines and kerb.

We also agree with those who made the point that while they fiddle with Wickham Road alterations, Brockley Cross burns (literally at one point).

Thanks to Tressillian James for the photos.

34 comments:

Headhunter said...

Yeah, have to say that it doesn't look quite as bad as I expected. I'll cycle up that way later for a closer look. I still think there are PLENTY of other projects in Brockley and across Lewisham that needed attention before this though, fixing the myriad of potholes in the roads for a start as Brockley Biker suggested

The Cat Man said...

I think this looks quite good, at least you have decent 'grey' stones in the areas that have been raised.

It could of been much worse.....

angelofthewest said...

Agree, although i'm glad that as a mere pedestrian, i don't have to decipher the lines in the top photo, I can just stick to pavement & crosswalks.

Although there are much more pressing things that need doing in brockley, on two occasions, i have been scared out of my mind by a**holes gunning their cars up wickham rd at night, maybe 60-70mph (hard to judge, but i'd say motorway speeds). the first time, the car was driving up and down the road repeatedly at those speeds. If *anyone* had been in the road for any reason - kids playing, or someone jaywalking - they would have been toast. If nothing else, these measures will make that sort of thing less likely.. (fully concede that it would've been pretty unlikely to start with...)

Tressillian James said...

I think it is the clutter and obverkill I object to: take a look at the first photo in detail - a crossing either side of the junction, when one would do; and four symbols of bikes stenciled across the junction opening. It is an eyesore. And what the photo doesn't show is St Peter's standing behind it all

Brockley Jon said...

Have to say, this is worse than I expected. I've walked past the roadworks several times, but that was before they'd painted it all up. It's nasty - cheapens this historic street.

It's a wide road anyway, so there is no need for dedicated cycle lanes. I certainly never had any problems before - not on this street at least. And those side islands? Indeed, money that could have been spent elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Please also note that there are two further sets of these.This is what the councils own guidance to the area says:

"Road signs and street furniture
are intrusive because of their
materials, colour, design and
collective impact. Road signs are
made of reflective materials and
their impact is often worsened
when they are grouped together
giving a cluttered appearance.
The Council’s corporate style has
been imposed on the area without
regard to what might have existed
historically. Earlier street names
can still be seen painted onto
house walls, but, today’s street
signs are in ‘Lewisham’ blue often
supported by black recycled
plastic posts. The design is poor
and the appearance does not fit in
with the character of the area.
Blue plastic litter bins also look
out of character."

When you come to live in the area and are given these booklets published by the cuncil - you think the council will keep to its wn guidelines

Hugh said...

Am I being thick or shouldn't the bike in the first picture be where the yellow lines are?

Tressillian James said...

The council also says it wants to protect 'the wide open feeling of the streets' - well it is not doing so here

Tressillian James said...

The bike symbols are not cycle lanes - as they are painted across the junction, I think they are warnings that bikes might be coming out from the side roads into Wickham - baffling

State the obvious.....once again said...

You're being thick Hugh.

The road itself is a designated cycle route, part of the London Cycle Network.

The small gap you refer to is too small to be a cycle lane except for pixies/fairies/gnomes etc.

Hugh said...

Soz. What's the gap for then? Is it a how-am-I-doing tester for fat people on diets?

toshy said...

they nearly make up for it with that lovely contraflow cycle lane on Ashby Road though (although it seems to make some car drivers think it's OK to ignore no entry signs if a bike's going down there)

State the obvious said...

Try drainage, dear Hugh, dear Hugh, dear Hugh. Try drainage dear Hugh try drainage dear Hugh.....

See Manor Avenue after rainfall for the resulting lakes that arise if said gap is omitted.

Hugh said...

Manor Avenue? Perish the very idea. That's somewhere near Lewsishway Way, I gather.

State the not so obivous said...

Lewsishway Way?

Too much port with the after lunch cigar methinks.....

Anonymous said...

That's IT?

Poorest thread since Speedigate.

nobbly brick said...

Such a busy road, you can see from the pictures why it's needs the firm hand of Lewisham Traffic control...

Headhunter said...

That is true, large lakes of stagnant water do gather at the edges of the traffic calming on Manor Ave....

Although this isn't as bad as I expected it is complete overkill. Wickham Rd is on a par with the nicest streets in west London conservation areas where you definitely wouldn't see such a mess of markings all over the street, why is it that Lewisham conservation areas are regarded as 2nd class?

Headhunter said...

See, this is one of the reasons I think the new "Hugh" is not the same as the old one. I remember the old Hugh saying that he thought that Manor Ave was one of the nicest roads in the conservation area and here he disses it like it's some back alley. No consistency...

Anonymous said...

"The road markings that couldn't have caused more outrage if they'd been painted by Jonathan Ross and that 13-year-old dad themselves."


quite funny

BrockleyBiker said...

I think it looks utterly ridiculous. There are better ways to calm a street like Wickham Road. Going all 1990's rave is not one of them.

And think what that lot will look like in a few years time, when it has got all dirty and damaged.

Real shame. But then I wouldn't expect anything else from Lewisham council. They are good at shabby.

Anonymous said...

when are they getting round to massive potholes on Tyrwhitt adn Tressilian please?

Zen said...

It's was quiet looking road, there was nothing there, before and suddenly all these signs, bollards and reflective surfaces. It will take some adjusting too. Hopefully come spring with the tree blossom all of this clutter will be obscured.

Staz said...

The first time I drove down Wickham Road with the new markings, I found them too distracting and still think that they over complicate the road.

It's also as if the arrows are there to assure a driver that they are on the correct side of the road to be on. Nice one.

nobbly brick said...

Presumably the 'build-outs' are there to push cyclists into the way of traffic negotiating the speed cushions.

Headhunter said...

I cycled along Wickham last night to have a look and although it all seems totally unnecessary, it isn't as bad as I imagined from the early descriptions.

I agree with Nobbly though, the speed cushions push cyclists into the middle of the road in front of motor traffic trying to negotiate all the road furniture. Personally I will be pulling well away from the curb in front of motor traffic in advance of the various paraphernalia, in front of traffic to ensure I don't get squished against the "cushions". I'm sure this will p*ss off motorists, but it now seems the only safe thing to do as they have effectively narrowed the road.

Not very cycling friendly despite all the cycling logos painted on the road itself and Wickham being a main cycling route in London

drakefell debaser said...

It just needs cats eyes to complete the overkill look.

Nice bollards though.

Anonymous said...

I would think that the "build outs" are there to stop cars veering into the left hand cycle lane to avoid the speed humps. Potentaily much more dangerous for cyclists.....

angrycyclist said...

I was nearly squashed by a 4x4 straddling one of the speed cushions yesterday. The driver helpfully beeped as she bore down on me. Surely the money used to create the bollarded pinch points would have been better spent re-surfacing the bone-shaking stretch of Wickham between Ashby and Geoffrey Roads.

Headhunter said...

True anon, the motorist swerving to get round the smaller road humps can be a problem

BrockleyBiker said...

As much as I am normally against all across speed bumps they can sometimes be better (not for Wickham though in my opinion. The all acorss bumps further down Wickham are horrible things). One road that I think would benifit is St Norberts Road where both directions share the same speed bump. The combination of speed and swerving can make that road bloody unnerving at times.

One thing I like in those photos is the double yellow lines in a gap a foot big. Brilliant stuff.

State the not necessarily obvious said...

It is my belief these changes have been driven by Disability discrimination.

The crossings have ramps and are in tactile paving.

My opinion but draw your own conclusions.

Polictical correctness v Conservation - tough one

Anonymous said...

I live on Wickham road and walk down it every day, whilst I don't think the markings are especially 'attractive' they do make crossing the road much easier, especially near junctions. Cars seem to be going slower and not treating that end as an excuse to go as fast as possible before they get to the giant bumps at the other end...

Comment said...

Cars still speed, in the interval between humps. These signs can give a false sense of security, it is still a fairly busy road and pedestrians still have to be vigiliant when crossing.

All of this comes down to attitude, fill a space with every traffic management sign and method and coerce drivers to drive sensibly, or do the reverse, have very little management, and let driving find its own level.

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