Brockley Station - Wish List for TfL

As we reported here, the Brockley Cross Action Group has been asked to submit its wish list of improvements that it would like to see at Brockley Station once TfL takes control of the site in September 2009.

Here's the list they've submitted - Stuart from the group has explained that if there are any good ideas that BC readers would like to suggest, it may be possible to submit a supplementary letter:

Key Improvements - General

  1. Safe and welcoming access from Mantle Road as well as Coulgate Street (Brockley has 2 sides!)
  2. Provision of a paper recycling bin on Mantle road side of the footbridge (for those who exit station via the ticket hall and then go across bridge to Mantle Road).
  3. Making safe earth slips at either end of platform 1. At northern end of platform one the platform width is dangerously reduced by a slip.
  4. New and/or additional seats, particularly at London end of platforms 1 and 2 and in the ticket hall.
  5. Refurbished waiting shelters that shelter, i.e. have windows and a door
  6. Large new station signs at both ends of Coulgate Street with Brockley Road
  7. Indicator board that informs passengers how long the train will be and clearer signage as to where different length trains actually stop (on platform surface).
  8. Removal of bin by bike shelter in front of platform 2 exit as it always overflows.
  9. Regular cleaning of drain near bike-shelter (which often blocks up)
  10. More CCTV if we have to.
Access Issues
  1. Option to use level entry and exit to platform 2 from street at all times, not just when station is un-manned.
  2. Easy access to platform 1 from local footbridge and Mantle Road side of Brockley i.e without going up 1 flight of stairs and down an other flight of stairs (lots of people travel to and from Brockley with suitcases, pushchairs, and wheelchairs).
  3. Removal of rickety Victorian passenger footbridge and use of a double width pedestrian bridge for all train passenger and pedestrian movements.
Maximise Synergy with Brockley Common Development
  1. Urgent re-positioning of main door to ticket hall to the East Elevation to make use of new level access and to avoid the current passenger congestion and conflicts in front of the current door.
  2. External cladding in a sustainable wood on East and North facing elevations of ticket hall (as previously discussed with Southern Rail and Brockley Common Partnership).
  3. Removal of hording that disconnects passenger on platforms 1 and 2 from viewing and enjoying new Brockley Common planting.
  4. Agreement of new signage positioning with LBL/Brockley Common Partnership
  5. Bulb planting in grass embankments along platform 1 and 2(after deep clean) in association with Brockley Commoners.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Indicator board that informs passengers how long the train will be" - there's been one of those ever since I started living here.

"External cladding in a sustainable wood" - ...

Brockley Nick said...

Anon - if that ... you use is supposed to denote a roll of the eyes and a Littlejohn-esque "you couldn't make it up" then you ought to do your homework.

Sustainable wood is a massive issue for the construction industry - it means sourcing your materials from trees that will be replenished, rather than destroying ancient forest, with all the implications for biodiversity and global warming that come with it. Very sensible to specify that.

Anonymous said...

How about planting some trees in and around the station approach too.

A wish too far said...

Lower the fares

Anonymous said...

better lighting

higher fencing - I've seen fare doddgers innumerable times.

Wish list for St johns - better lighting too please. it's terrifying for anyone in the dark. quite unacceptable safetywise.

The Cat Man said...

Immediate access to platform 1 from Mantle Rd has to be my priority.

Anonymous said...

1. More than 1 staff member selling tickets. Often there is only 1 during busy periods.

2. a ticket machine in the ticket hall itself to reduce queues.

3. a mural on the Mantle Road exit.

4. remove the fencing around the ticket hall so people can enjoy the 'common area'.

5. a green/living roof for the ticket hall. These reduce heat loss and energy wastage and encourage wildlife.

Brockley Jim

??? said...

What is the justification for a Mantle road entrance?

The Cat Man said...

Traffic flows - at the moment there is a'doubling' of traffic in and out of the east side entrance and across the footbridge during peaks time which is only set to get worse with ELL etc.

I think there are health and safety issues with this. Unlike Brockley, if you look at other zone 2 stations there cant be many others which are ill-equiped to cope with hugh traffic volumnes.

Clearly the west side residents would agree, the issue passes by the east side residents althogh they would also benefit (as it would mean less queues etc.. on the east side entrance to get to the platforms).

Armpit Vale said...

I think you have to ask yourself why you'd need a "west side" entrance. Brockley is Brockley - the only tangible thing you're using to split it up is a railway line, of which there are at least 2 crossings in close proximity. Its not like there's a huge gulf separating the two, which is why a "west entrance" won't be high on anyone's priorities except, perhaps, anyone who wants to avoid a couple hundred yards walk.

??? said...

Better lighting, and a mural if wanted for the exit, but I would not support a seperate entrance. You don't usually get two entrances at tube stations anyway.

drakefell debaser said...

Wish list for St johns - better lighting too please. it's terrifying for anyone in the dark. quite unacceptable safetywise.

That’s quite interesting because I read in the Lewisham Magazine that St Johns station won praise from the council for being a safe and friendly station.

As for Brockley station, the list is quite comprehensive and I am glad some attention will be paid to the Mantle Rd exit. The narrowness of the entrance is prohibitive in some ways but ideas like Brockley Jim’s for a wall mural are good ones.

Also pleased to see there is a plan to cover up the hideous concrete ticket hut.

drakefell debaser said...

“west entrance" won't be high on anyone's priorities except, perhaps, anyone who wants to avoid a couple hundred yards walk.

If you are a wheel chair user looking to go to London Bridge without a kafuffle a Western entrance is needed.

Anonymous said...

kerfuffle, o ker

drakefell debaser said...

Kerfuffle is the name of a East Midlands folk band. That was not what I was referring to.

Anonymous said...

West entrance is my number one priority. Makes a nonsense to have to switch back and forth. Open it up and put in a street level entry.

Monkeyboy said...

Seating can be an issue actually. There are rail standards that define platform width which take priority over seating which could be considered as restriction. I would expect that there has been traffic modeling to take into account the ELL opening and platform crowding. 3m is the ideal I think, depending on line speed. I doubt any of the platforms are that wide at the mo.

Also the old bridge may be listed so may not be able to do much about that.

I'm sure there must be some station plans for the 'new' Brockley. I may have to steal someones pass and find the ELL teams office....

Anonymous said...

Go on Monkeyboy - you'll be a hero if you do.

Anonymous said...

I absolutely agree there should be a west side entrance - it is not just about the time involved in crossing the railway twice to get to the platform (although that is v frustrating when you can see the train pulling in...) but also it would be much easier access for those who are disabled/injured/pregnant/carrying cases, pushchairs etc not to have to use the stairs which can get very slippery in the wet weather. It will also reduce the pressure on numbers of people going through the ticket office. I think this is a much bigger priority than making the station look nicer - I'm all for aesthetic improvements and agree with the ones listed but you need the basics to be sorted first.

Moira said...

Where about on the Mantle Road exit would you think a mural could go, bearing in mind if its brick it would need plastering, but just for paint it would cost about £100. If anyone could raise the money I could organise it as part of Brockley Max.

Anonymous said...

That would be awesome Moira.

The Cat Man said...

I can get £500 but only if you are a registered charity. Ask Nick for my email address if you think this will help you.

The Cat Man said...

I only request that it is something painted which is 'pleasent' and 'calming', maybe some trees or something that resembles brockley...!

drakefell debaser said...

I am all for the mural but shouldn’t we wait to see what is actually planned for that stretch in case it just gets torn down or damaged when the work starts?

Anonymous said...

Is a mural like that thing around Speedicars?

The Cat Man said...

Good point. That site with the wall is subject to a 2yr temporary planning permission (for the regenerator of council houses) which is due to expire soon.

It is worth noting that the council never actually bothered to register the granting of temporary permission.

fred vest said...

nah, it's like those things you see on house walls on the shankill road, three big burly blokes in balaclavas with armalites, a camp king billy on a horse in the middle and No Surrender emblazened across the bottom

i think that's the kind of thing the catman is after

Anonymous said...

Just by opening that narrow entrance with high walls would make the station feel less threatening. If they could replace the footbridge as well that would be a bonus.

??? said...

Two entrances will entrench the notion of two Brockleys. An example being a commenter here who says, because a grocer has arrived on Mantle street he no longer shops at the Coulgate Delis.

Are two Brockleys a good thing?

drakefell debaser said...

Greenwich rail station has 3 entrances. Do you ask which Greenwich?

Jo Gobbles said...

Some solid blond haired Aryan figure, crushing the liberal hoards under a mighty fist. That would get £500 of The Cat's money.

Anonymous said...

Jo Gobbles, Im not sure why you thought to write this comment. Do you want some of Catman's corporate fund to be spent in thsi area or not?


DFD re St John's - have you been to the station - you have to cross a pitch black car park after you've come over a rather nasty bridge, again badly lit. All it needs is a couple of strong fluorescent lights.

drakefell debaser said...

anon, I have used St Johns and I agree it is dark and intimidating and not as it was described in the magazine.

The council clearly think otherwise though which proves if they have any finger on the pulse, it is the wrong body.

Anonymous said...

Drakefell debaser, the analogy of Brockley to Greenwich is not helpful. Greenwich maybe a few miles away from us but Greenwich is a world heritage site, a previous seat of Kings, a tourist hotspot, whereas Brockley, well it just isn't.

Monkeyboy said...

Yeah but Kate Bush...???

Kate's Bush said...

Yeah, and the conservation area!

ALI KATI said...

@???
My home has two external doors, still just one address though. I don't think a doorway/exit means it's two locations.

Access is really frustrating at the moment. It would appear they bottleneck the traffic flow through the ticketing office area just to make sure people pay their fares. It's ludicrous to see shoppers, people with bicycles and children who have to walk back on themselves, go up the stairs and come down the other side again. Sometimes you run all the way up to the office to buy a ticket, but it's shut and you have to come down and get a ticket and go up again to get through.

Also, would be nice to have staff members who don't take it personally when customers point out that when the ticketing machine is on the blink. Not really that funny to huff and puff when the machine is out of order for weeks, and you've been told several times.

delicate flower said...

I agree St John's is terrifying at night - not too bad if there are several others getting off the train but I'd hate to be there on my own.

drakefell debaser said...

Drakefell debaser, the analogy of Brockley to Greenwich is not helpful

I did not use Greenwich as an analogy nor was I trying to be helpful. I was simply pointing out that there are several stations with more than one access and used that as an example.

Whether the station is situated in a world heritage site or where badgers used to shit is immaterial.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever successfully renewed a season monthly ticket using those machines? How do you get the elusive pin number? Both their website staff and, sigh, ticket office staff have denied all knowledge

Anonymous said...

What a waste of your time, debaser by name and nature.

Monkeyboy said...

Well if badgers shit around Brockley station we're in trouble. They're a protected species.

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