Yes or Yes Cafe, Ladywell Road

Crazy name, crazy prices, crazy crepes.

Confirming Ladywell's status as the most up-and-coming part of this part of up-and-coming London, a new cafe has opened directly opposite Geddes. We've yet to try it, but we've heard word that its pancakes are nice and good value.

Please post your comments and reviews here.

43 comments:

fred vest said...

"the most up-and-coming part of this part of up-and-coming London"

christ, i'd hate to see what the parts that aren't up-and-coming are like if this is considered the pinnacle of up-and-coming-ness

Brockley Nick said...

That's the spirit.

M said...

"christ, i'd hate to see what the parts that aren't up-and-coming are like if this is considered the pinnacle of up-and-coming-ness'

Is the answer Catford?

regeneration ding dong said...

Two points.

Now, points for the next round are awarded depending on how quickly you can say 'the most up-and-coming part of this part of up-and-coming London'

A said...

I've always felt that what Ladywell needs to put itself on the map is giant fibreglass cat.

fred vest said...

notice no one's actually engaged with the point, which is the glorification of the opening of a couple of cafes in ladywell making it the most 'on-it' place in greater brockley, does seem to be a thoroughly underwhelming statement to be making about the whole area in general - youse can whitter on about catford all you like in response, but as usual, the point is well and truly missed

Brockley Nick said...

Well your post hardly merited a serious response and you didn't originally make the following statement:

"the glorification of the opening of a couple of cafes in ladywell making it the most 'on-it' place in greater brockley, does seem to be a thoroughly underwhelming statement to be making about the whole area in general"

which at least is a bit more substantive. But to take you seriously for a second, it's not simply that a couple of cafes have opened. Here's a quick list:

- Oscars
- Yes and Yes
- Ladywell Tavern refurb
- Tank Gallery
- Geddes
- improvements to the local green spaces
- Brockley Central music night June 4th - definitive proof!

M said...

It's you who has totally missed the tongue in cheek-ness of Nick's original post. Too busy being an angry little man as usual...
Get some sunshine FFS.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I like Ladywell, the cafes are great, the Pub it great and the winebar is OK as well - Toms newsagent is the pinnacle of friendly service!

Marc said...

I can vouch for the lovely crepes. Not sure if thats enough for a solid business model in these dire times tho.

In terms of the gentrification of Ladywell, there is a little movement going on, and we now have big planters..

fred vest said...

"It's you who has totally missed the tongue in cheek-ness of Nick's original post"

presume the list of supplementary reasons why ladyell is the most up and coming part of the most up and coming part of london are tongue in cheek as well - can't have it both ways

fred vest said...

"Well your post hardly merited a serious response"

i know things need to be spelt out for quite a few people on here, but i never had you down as someone who couldn't pick the point out of a statement without the use of a help guide

my initial point itself however was half tongue in cheek as well, while also making the point that it's not exactly paris in the 1860's we're talking about here

Brockley Nick said...

Of course it was tongue in cheek, as was the list, in case you thought I really believe that a music night at the Ladywell Tavern constitutes definitive proof.

Anonymous said...

Can we take it that anything mentioned anywhere on this blog is tongue in cheek unless stated to the contrary?

I mean, it's not meant to be a serious forum is it?!

fred vest said...

i did think the initial point was tongue in cheek, but your supplementary list did throw me to be fair

M said...

Fred Vest in po-faced and humourless response shocker!

Brockley Nick said...

I think we should continue to rely on people's best judgement as to which articles and posts are meant to be serious and which aren't. It is also possible to make serious points in a light hearted manner, apparently.

fred vest said...

"Fred Vest in po-faced and humourless response shocker"

i did apply for the role of site clown, but they were inundated with folk who did it far better than me, so i took my current role instead

Coco said...

Just doing my job!
*car doors fall off*

Anonymous said...

so none of them are serious then?!

patrick1971 said...

In a serious comment about the cafe...it looks nice from the outside, I like what they've done with the paintwork across the neighbouring door. However, the handwritten signs advertising the wares look, to me, a bit scrappy. The interior also looks (from the street) to be a bit thrown together. But like I said, I've not actually been there yet so will withhold further judgement!

Headhunter said...

Jeeez, talk about a furious tempest in a teacup. Get out of bed on an even worse side than usual this morning did we, Fred??!

When is Brockers getting Royal Teas to replace Moonbows?

Anonymous said...

Please Headhunter, stop rocking the boat...

max said...

Ladywell stands to Catford like Miss Marple stands to Starsky & Hutch. In fact I think that Hoagy Bear lives on Bromley Road, beat that for coolness.

Anonymous said...

Why was It Moonbow's closed In the first place ? Was It lack of support from the locals ?

M said...

'i did apply for the role of site clown, but they were inundated with folk who did it far better than me, so i took my current role instead'

Don't do yourself down Fred - you've certainly made a clown of yourself here today.

Anonymous said...

ouside paint job is awful and the chairs are seriously ugly.

fred vest said...

"Don't do yourself down Fred - you've certainly made a clown of yourself here today."

when in rome/at the circus...

Anonymous said...

Ladywell Village actually. You bunch of cynics!!! If more communities pull together we could make Ladywell village fantastic. Unfortunately Geddes think they are in Wandsworth and are seriously overcharging for cuts and colours. £12 for a childs cut-Thry need to be realistic and remember that this is SE london. ladywell Tavern is fab, just needs to serve food more frequently. Oscars yummy and the dry cleaners one of the most friendly places we have come across.

Marisa said...

I've had a couple of really nice pancakes at the cafe. I thought the coffee was also very good. The woman who runs it is really friendly and I soon felt at home. She was very proud to show me her function room downstairs.

Sandy said...

I thik the only thing that merits ladywell as a up and coming area is the number of salons. 5 salons/ barbers - why?? Oscars is overpriced!! £4.00 for coffee and muffin - no thanks!

Ladywell is great for that friendly community feel, park but shop prices are little high. I'm very disappointed with decor of Ladywell Tavern, i though Magnolia would have been better and cheaper choice than baby poo green- YUK!!

You would have thought who ever managed the pub/ gallery would have put something much pleasing to the eye and mood..

A blind man could have done a better job!

Simon and Olivia said...

Yes or Yes Cafe has opened across the road from our salon (Geddes) and as always we wish the new owners well. We feel it is better to have the retail unit occupied than to be greeted with the sight of metal shutters. The former Nightwatch unit has fallen into disrepair and the unit next door to our salon also has metal shutters pulled down permanently.
Sandy makes an interesting point "I think the only thing that merits Ladywell as an up and coming area is the number of salons. 5 salons/barbers-why?? Osacars is overpriced!! 4.00 for a coffee and a muffin-no thanks"!
I can't tell you why there are so many salons/barbers Sandy but obviously the owners feel there is enough business out there for them to make a living. Having spoken to many local people over the past eighteen months we have come to the conclusion that people want choice more than anything else. Our own team members have welcomed the Yes or Yes Cafe because it is offering something slightly different at a cheaper price than Oscars. Some of our people always go to Oscars as they prefer the coffee and the type of food served there as well as the ambience. They are prepared to pay a lttle bit more and the others prefer to pay less. Some of them get their sandwhiches from Rumbles bakery-again cheaper. My point is that it is healthy to have a range of hairdressers/barbers or coffee shops giving the consumer a real choice. If the prices are too high the public will vote with their feet and market forces will dictate who stays open. We might not be the hairdressing and beauty therapy salon for everyone but at least the local people have a choice both quality and price wise.
For Ladywell to be considered an up and coming area there needs to be a choice of shops, cafes, pubs/bars and restaurants catering for the needs of the locaal community.
Simon & Olivia @ Geddes Hair & Beauty

Sigmund said...

From the 5th June

"She was very proud to show me her function room downstairs."

*raises eyebrow*

john ex-Moonbow said...

Well said Simon and Olivia, I really do not understand the vitriol that appears on this site aimed at the shops, especially new shops.

I know well in excess of 100 shop/pub/bar/restaurant owners in this borough and I can assure you this is a very tough period for them all. As angry as you may be regarding the quality of your local parade anyone who remembers the early 80s in South London will remember how grim it was when everything was closed down. On my way to Goldsmiths on Thursday I counted a large number of empty units in NX and we are only now entering the quiet business period for this area. All the remaining businesses will have to find a way to survive until the last week of September.

On the way to Glasto on Friday afternoon, I passed through Bristol where I saw whole parades closed down. We are only in the middle of this downturn and we all need to support our local businesses if we do not want this area to follow suit.

If you get bad service or a poor product and want to comment then there is not really a problem with that for most proprietors, it is when people rip into a business because it does not cater for ‘their’ specific taste that upsets business owners.

My only differing view to Geddes is that in these conditions it is not only market forces that businesses are prey to. Other external factors from the far environment like the revaluing of the business rates at April 2008 values, this will have a devastating impact.

Brockley Kate said...

Well said John, good post.

M said...

Further to this, the ex Nightwatch shop Simon & Olivia refer to is up for auction soon. Hopefully somebody will buy it and a new shop or business will open. Anything would be better than what's there now.

Simon and Olivia @ Geddes said...

Yes indeed John, we agree that it is not only market forces which will determine the success or failure of a business. There are many external factors to consider.
Business rates have taken a massive hike-our salon in Wandsworth has had an increase from 350 per month to 830 per month. We are not getting anything extra for the rate rise. As you will know from your own experience business rates go up every year but with the new revaluations there has been a dramatic increase. I know many good honest business people who are really struggling at present and this is the last thing they needed. I would urge cautinon to anyone thinking of going into a small business but having said that you can negotiate on leases much more easily than a couple of years ago.

Brockley Nick said...

I find it amazing that Councils are increasing business rates in this climate and given the enormous challenges faced by the independent high-street businesses, which Councils all say that they want to encourage. I hope Lewisham is treating you a bit better?

Simon and Olivia @ Geddes said...

Thanks Nick for your concern regarding small businesses. Actually, on this occasion I don't think it is the councils who have control of this, it comes directly from central Government via the valuations office I think? The local MP Justine Greening asked questions in the House a couple of weeks ago regarding this very issue. I think the valuations are based on the potential rental value of commercial propeties. These valuations date back to 2005 and have just come into affect now. The commercial rental yields have dropped since 2005 yet there is another revaluation scheduled for 2010. Hopefully there will be an adjustment.
Wandsworth borough boasted the lowest council tax in London for many years and talking to residents, they rate the council highly for efficiency.
Unfortunately, as with many councils, they ignore small business as they don't really have any lobbying power. Residents views will be considered first and formost-and rightly so-but it would be nice to have someone from the private sector with a business background representing/liasing between the local authority and small businesses.
I have to say I have become a bit of a sceptic through experience as to the value of Town Centre Managers. They have seemed pretty toothless in my dealings with them, but then again, that is born out of personal experience and perhaps a little harsh.

Comment said...

Town Centre manager... yet again a job that should be business/private sector led is done by the council.

Betty said...

It's great to see new shops opening in Ladywell, I also don't understand the complaining. And I for one am very happy that we have so many salons, as Geddes is fantastic. Talented hairdressers worth their prices!

What I really want is a decent butchers though.

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VIM48 said...

I think we are very lucky in Ladywell with the range of shops and services. It will be good when the empty shops eventually open. I would like to see a good greengrocers.

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