These go to eleven

The anonymous poster who's been running a teaser campaign about the future of The Talbot in recent weeks has been vindicated. They promised that work would soon begin on the rennovation of The Talbot pub (the most anticipated of Brockley's many promised developments), starting with the arrival of removal men, to clear out the building in preparation for building work.

We were emailed this morning by friend of BC, Rosie, who confirmed that the removal men were at work.

We have been told by a very reliable source the identity of the new owners, experienced pub landlords, who run a successful pub in south east London. We've been in touch to ask for a quote or update on the plans and hope to be able to bring you the full details soon.

Needless to say, it's all very exciting.

48 comments:

TM said...

I want to know who owns the mysterious white Volvo seen frequently parked outside.

Annonymous?

The new owners?

Someone else?

And what about the Tatooed man?

Where's Sherlock Holmes when you need him?

Anonymous said...

I was told Its the owners of the Prince Regent in Herne Hill,But I believe It will be more gastro than pub.

Rosie H said...

Looks as though a general tidy-up of the grotty end of Tyrwhitt Road may finally be happening.

Not seen any more clearing out of the old greengrocer's opposite The Talbot, but at least there's movement on the pub.

Pleased to hear it may be remaining a pub.

Anonymous said...

I'm unexcited...

Brockley Nick said...

That's a shame anon, because I was really hoping to hang out with you there when it reopens. You sound like you'd be a lot of fun and a great conversationalist. ;)

patrick1971 said...

I was at the Bridge House in Penge last night, which has been wonderfully renovated by experienced south east London pub landlords. It would be great if they were doing the Talbot as well...

Anonymous said...

... because it's off of my 'manor'.

sorry, sentence truncated

but never mind Nick, perhaps we'll meet at the Seventh Day Adventists Gig

;)

Anonymous said...

This has been on the Honor Oak website since last year:

www.thehonoroak.com/talbot/

So I'm presuming that clears up that mystery, unless anyone has info to the contrary?

Anonymous said...

Hmmm, sorry, I see that this has already been covered on previous threads. Not The Honor Oak guys any longer, then?

Anonymous said...

Yes, I think the Honor Oak were outbid by The Prince Regent Penge.

Anonymous said...

Prince Regent - Yes
Penge - No
Herne Hill - Yes
Cask Marque - resounding yes thank goodness.

Lets hope this means an end to floaty bits in the bottom of your pint - yes you Wickham Arms.

Anonymous said...

You can always complain If theres floaty bits.

Anonymous said...

Cant wait to see the prices they charge.

Tressillian James said...

If it's Prince Regetn , Herne Hill that is opening the Talbot then it is encouraging - the below is the review from Time Out where it got 4out of 5 stars

Prince Regent
A firm favourite among Herne Hill's young professionals, the Prince Regent is an elegant Victorian boozer - etched glass panelling, dark wood stripped floors - which went gastro in 2005. A relaxed dining room offers comfort food classics (including perhaps the best vegetarian sausage and mash in London), while the main bar is an excellent place to pull up a stool and savour interesting independent real ales - on our visit, Wooden Hand Brewery's Pirates Gold. Some locals have complained about the number of precocious toddlers scampering around the place at weekends (an adults-only upstairs room offers sanctuary) but, whether for a romantic dinner, a bargain brunch or a sneaky Monday-night session under the guise of the pub quiz, this still feels like a proper pub. And, if you're eating, leave room for dessert...

Time Out Bars, Pubs & Clubs Guide 2008/9

patrick1971 said...

Adults-only upstairs room: what a good idea. Everyone's happy then. Somewhere for people with kids, and somewhere for adults who aren't interested.

Anonymous said...

Agreed Patrick - I thought that was also excellent - not having to put up with someone using the pub as their babysitter

Anonymous said...

There, more gastro than pub

Brockley Nick said...

no, it's not either gastro or pub. Gastropubs are proper pubs - a subset of pubs that do good food. Gastropubs done right are some of the most "proper" pubs around. ie: chuck out the crappy jukebox, get rid of the blizzard of drinks promotions you get in places like the Barge, serve a range of CAMRA-friendly beers, rip up the sticky carpets and restore the original stylings of the building, have bar staff who know the customers, etc.

Anonymous said...

I was on the understanding that a gastropub in the traditional sense means something like the Fat Duck - proper, posh tables with tableclothes and sparkling silver cutlery where you pay £50 for a splodge of something small on a big white plate.

But the common use means pubs with a bit of effort put into food - i.e. handcut chips with skins on as opposed to frozen fries. I prefer that kind if I'm honest.

Brockley Nick said...

The Fat Duck was voted best restaurant in the world several times over. Not sure I'd class that as a gastro pub.

Anonymous said...

If the talbot turns out like the Prince Regent mentioned in the review, then excellent for Brockley and excellent for my local social life

Anonymous said...

So the Talbot Is going to be a restaurant with a bar then ?

Bob said...

Jesus...
No. It's going to be a gastropub.
A pub. That also does good food.

If it's too hard for you to understand why not pop over to the Prince Regent in Herne Hill and have a look at what they've done there.

sonofagun said...

I think It will take longer than 3 months to do up,unless they cut corners,Ive drunk In there for years,and when they start they will be opening up a big can of worms.

Anonymous said...

My God, it's no wonder it has taken so long for someone to open a gastro pub in Brockley if the concept is really so hard to grasp for some of the locals!

patrick1971 said...

What "can of worms" will they be opening, sonofagun?

Anonymous said...

I agree, anon 11.11, an upstairs room will be great. I have children and I will no doubt take them there occasionally of a weekend (I will not, however, use the pub as my babysitter as I will not be leaving them while I go elsewhere). It will be nice not to feel the weight of disapproval from those without kids who feel that I should be at home making castles from empty loo rolls 12 hours a day. I'm afraid it's one of the disadvantages (as far as those without kids are concerned) of the smoking ban as it has given parents more options socially. Great for us, though!

TM said...

Patrick re can of worms

I know most of the joists supporting the grond floor had rotten ends where they are built into the external walls.

That was six or seven years ago when I was last in the cellar but I dont think they have been repaired since.

Who knows?

sonofagun said...

For a start one of the drains out the back has collapsed,and could be a major job I think,most of the plumbing will have to be redone,as there Is no heating upstairs at all.

Tamsin said...

Sounds rather like the Telegraph - also recently opened - even down to the Quiz Night on Mondays... (Which to my shame I have not yet managed to get to.)

neanderthal d said...

There's a security man guarding the place right now - to prevent flytipping apparently.

Gastropubs - alien concept to me. I'm a local i guess. I also talk to "bag ladies".

A friend of mine had gastro a few years back - nasty illness, he was hospitalised for a bit.

How's about we forget the gastro bit, and just have a pub. No nasty hospitalising business and a good pint of Guinness, some well kept ale, a screen showing football and rugby, cricket in the summer, pickled eggs and pork scratchings and some decent conversation.

Rabbit in chocolate sauce, "Reserved" signs on tables, £3.40 for a pint, distressed furniture, "Creme Anglais", braying buffoons and other such twattery - No Thank You.

NB. A place that focuses on the food and considers wet sales as a lesser part of their operation is in no way a "proper pub".

4x4 said...

With you on Gastropubs Nick. They usually get rid of the slot machines and take the pub decor back to the traditional wood steeped in history. The Fat Duck in Bray is a fantastic place to eat and in my opinion good value.
There are plenty of cheaper good Gastropubs around also but unfortunately all too few round here.

Anonymous said...

seems that a bogus annonymous has arrived on the blog. the real one knows where the Talbot is going. have I not been correct so far? Major activity starting tomorrow !! Brockley Nick I will buy you your first pint!!

sonofagun said...

Herne Hill's professional's,does that mean there will be professional ladies too

Headhunter said...

If it's anything like the Prince Regent in Herne Hill it'll be fantastic. The food there is excellent and there are no "reserved" signs on tables. If sonofagun and TM are right and the building needs a huge overhaul then I doubt a simple pub with sticky carpets and slot machines will pay for that.

Gastro pubs are a way of bringing in revenue to support places like this. I'm all for it, it has to be better than it being turned into flats like the Lord Wolseley which used to be opposite the Wickham Arms until 02 or 03.

patrick1971 said...

@neanderthal:

"Gastropubs - alien concept to me. I'm a local i guess."

What does this mean exactly? When does one become a local? Why this passive-aggressive hatred of people who dare to move into the area?

"How's about we forget the gastro bit, and just have a pub...etc."

Presumably the Talbot did exactly what you're asking for when it was open. It's now shut. Conclusions can be drawn from that.

"'Reserved' signs on tables"

Heaven forbid that people who want to spend an afternoon somewhere would like to ensure they have somewhere to sit. Outrageous!

"A place that focuses on the food and considers wet sales as a lesser part of their operation is in no way a 'proper pub'."

Any business has to make money. The margins on drinks alone simply aren't attractive enough in many cases to do so. People are prepared to pay a premium to have a meal in a nice space. As I said earlier, the Talbot is closed now...for a reason.

Headhunter said...

Exactly Patrick, the old pub business model is dead. Supermarkets sell dirt cheap booze and most people prefer to sit at home swigging from a can or bottle watching their own TV. Ths smoking ban was another nail in the coffin. Just look at the number of pubs across SE London that have shut down.

Higher margin business like food is the way forward. Get people in for lunch or dinner, they then spend a few hours drinking beer or wine as well. It's just a natural evolution for pubs.

Anonymous said...

well gents its all done now, new ownership is now complete. work starts tomorrow. the Regent at Herne Hill? u may well be rite!!

neanderthal d said...

Hi patrick1971,

May i address your points one by one:

"Gastropubs - alien concept to me. I'm a local i guess."

Anonymous @ 13:45 on the 28th Jul wondered whether the dearth of local gastropubs was due to a lack of understanding of the concept on the part of "the locals". A somewhat patronising statement, i feel. Most folk know what a Gastropub is. I have only lived here for 15 years and don't consider myself a local - i am a Thames Valley lad. The "i guess" coda in my statement may also give a clue.

"How's about we forget the gastro bit, and just have a pub...etc."

OK, I admit that i was a tad provocative there. I hope that you have it in your heart to forgive my rhetorical flourish. I wouldn't quite say that the Talbot "did exactly what [i was] asking for" when it was open. The total lack of Planter's Dry Roasted Peanuts often pissed on my metaphorical chips when having a few beers there and i was often to be heard bitterly bemoaning this intolerable state of affairs - much to the chagrin of the courteous and long suffering souls that frequented the establishment. The fact that there has been zero investment in the pub for many years (the PubCos can take that particular rap)and the unfulfilled promises made by certain parties in the last four and a half years didn't help in keeping the place open. It is also worth noting that said parties with big plans never saw fit to put in a shift behind the bar in all that time - inferences could be drawn from that.

"'Reserved' signs on tables"

I feel that we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point because i am struggling to reconcile myself with your perspective here. Pubs have tables where customers may choose to sit for various reasons once they have purchased a drink (or meal as the case may be). A place that has reservations for their tables is what i would call a restaurant. I realise that my binary classification on this matter is a bit passé in this day and age, but may i just say that some gastropubs with identity issues are known to operate a specious "reservations" policy, thereby forefeiting the right to the "pub" part of the "gastropub" classification. They should seriously consider reclassifying their operation. Please understand, i have no wish to deny any customer in a pub the right to sit at a table (assuming that there is an unoccupied table) - if you can agree with this point, and if that is what you meant, then perhaps we don't disagree on this point at all.

"A place that focuses on the food and considers wet sales as a lesser part of their operation is in no way a 'proper pub'."

I still stand by this point. I appreciate your point about pub economics and the viability of types of pub, but a proper pub would not look after diners in a way that would be to the detriment of drinkers.


I'm not asking for an unreconstructed boozer at the Talbot, i know that things change. I also know pubs that do decent food and keep the customers that use it for drinking very happy too. That is what i would like to see at the Talbot.


Hope we ain't gonna see the kind of gastropub that tries to include "pan-fried 'can of worms' in plumbing jus served on a locally sourced bed of nettles au naturel garnished with arse grapes" on the menu - rabbit in chocolate sauce would be preferable, just about.

patrick1971 said...

Cheers neanderthal, I see a lot more where you're coming from now. I had probably jumped the gun a bit and thought you were just having a rant of the dull anti-mung bean variety.

Interesting point re pubs vs restaurants and reserved tables. I think we will have to agree to differ there. I'm at the age now where even if I'm just going for drinks, I like to know I can get a table. Everywhere in London's so crowded that booking a table to me is a part of an evening out.

That said, I do agree with your point about the drinkers shouldn't be displaced by the diners. I don't like those pubs which have a completely separate formal dining room. Much better that the drinkers and diners are mixed in, IMHO, which is the usual gastropub model in my experience.

4x4 said...

Sorry that last Anon was me-Black BNP guy-accident!

sonofagun said...

Ah Patrick,you should have come down The Talbot when It was open,There were plenty of tables

Monkeyboy said...

4x4 do you mean the Hinds Head in Bray? owned by the Fat Duck chap, it's a Gastro Pub (awful phrase that) and a damn fine one.

Anonymous said...

Might sound a bit selfish, but I think the smoking ban was worth a few hundred pubs shutting down. Glad we've been able to draw a line under it and move on.

Erin Brock said...

So you dont like pubs much then, Anon.?

Anonymous said...

Strawman?

No, just never liked smokey ones. So in fact the number of pubs I enjoy have gone up!

4x4 said...

@Monkeyboy-they are owned by the same fellow and yes I was refering to the Hinds Head which is situated adjacentto the Fat Duck both owned by the same chap Heston whatisname.
Agreed, a great place to eat and drink.

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