Brockley Station works - Update 2

Courtesy of Cllr Walton comes this update from the Council's regeneration team, which is responsible for the 13th Labour of Hercules - completing the east side access to Brockley Station and opening up Brockley Common:

Delivery of the hand railing is expected next week. It is likely to take around 2 weeks to complete its installation. The seat also should be delivered next week and the seat bay can then be completed.

We still await delivery of the coping stones to the lower ramp from Cathedra stone, the supplier chosen by the Brockley Cross Action Group. I am afraid we currently do not have a definitive delivery date for this material.

Once the hand railing is fixed to the steps and piazza, this area can then be opened. Until the handrail has been installed it is not safe for the public to use the steps.


So the best estimate is that the station staircase and the road will be closed for another 3 weeks as a staircase is deemed unclimbable without a hand railing. Meanwhile, people scrabble up a muddy verge.

There is still no date for the delivery of coping stones, which were expected "4-6 weeks ago" back in mid-August, when we received the last update. The supplier nominated by the Brockley Cross Action Group is blamed for this delay, but the tarmacked pavement on Coulgate Street is evidence of what happens if you don't keep a tight control on the quality of the materials used.

There is no mention of the seeding which the Council were seeking a quote for in the last update.

Let's quickly remind ourselves what all of this expense and inconvenience was supposed to be for. If it ends up looking like this, then it will have been worthwhile. But that remains a big if.

52 comments:

Hugh said...

Tell me the contractors are working to a fixed fee.

Paddyom said...

Why cant people just be responsible for looking after themselves when climbing steps? If they are not able to use the steps without a handrail then they can use the ramp. I mean dont people climb steps to millions of buildings worldwide every day without handrails and live to tell the tale? Look at many of our most treasured buildings, such as St Pauls cathedral for heavens sakes. I mean talk about wrapping the world in cotton wool, its an embarrassment to our generation.

Matt-Z said...

On it rumbles. Will the handrail and seat arrive next week? Will the coping stones arrive at all? Will the bank ever get seeded/planted? Will it be finished by Christmas? Who shot JR?

Headhunter said...

"Elf and safety, innit" makes me laugh sometimes! It's unsafe for people to use some steps without a handrail, yet it's OK for them to scrabble up a potentially muddy, slippery slope. God help us...

Brockley Nick said...

Careful HH, you're starting to sound like Littlejohn.

Soon, you'll be saying that Brockley's going to hell in a handcart.

Anonymous said...

I have no doubt that if the gates were opened some of this site's own mung bean eaters would be complaining about accesibility due to the lack of hand rail.

Anonymous said...

We need a brave soul to open up the fencing and let the mung hordes use the stairs... Any Brockley Bravehearts out there?

Anonymous said...

Seems like buck passing time again

Anonymous said...

Let's just remove all the Heras ourselves, now that Conway have cleared the site, and get on with our lives.

I'm up for it. Anyone want to help? Name your date and time...

Brockley Kate said...

Sigh. It is becoming drearily predictable, isn't it.

Mezzer said...

Sigh. Indeed. As predictable as the anon mung reference.

Was it ever funny?

Headhunter said...

No.... I try to ignore them. Very dull.

Anonymous said...

This whole blog is dreary and predictable.

A far cry from representing "All things Brockley" it just represents the views of a handful of pushy, net-savvy people who, when faced with an opinion that doesn't tally with their own, disregard them as 'Trolls' or "try to ignore them". Very dull indeed.

Anonymous said...

Looking at the original plans - what happened to the steps that were planned for the far right of the scheme? Surely this would have been a good idea to keep this?

Anonymous said...

.....so basically it's a big sh1t sandwich and we're all going to have to take a bite.

Brockley Nick said...

Anon 14.30 - they have been abandonned for the time being, due to cost overruns associated with the asbestos, I believe.

Anon 14.21 - what would you like us to write about?

Anonymous said...

I have rarely seen such a polished piece of mud than the Brockley memorial ankle breaking slope today- well done people a work to be proud of and if not planted over will probably remain in the fossil record like dinosaur prints. I don't understand about the rail - you are going to have to have pretty long arms to hold on if you walk in the middle?

M said...

"This whole blog is dreary and predictable."

Well nobody's forcing you to read it.
Or are you here by mistake and not 'net-savvy' enough to find the back button?

Anonymous said...

"Well nobody's forcing you to read it.
Or are you here by mistake and not 'net-savvy' enough to find the back button?"

See what I mean?

Headhunter said...

"A far cry from representing "All things Brockley" it just represents the views of a handful of pushy, net-savvy people who, when faced with an opinion that doesn't tally with their own, disregard them as 'Trolls' or "try to ignore them". Very dull indeed."

If you have a coherent opposing view then state it, I (and probably others here) will happily read it and take a view. I may disagree with it, but that's life.

Making comments about people as "mung bean eaters" or "NIMBY" etc etc is uninteresting, boring, predictable and has been done sooooo many times before. Those are the comments I (try to) ignore.

M said...

"...people who, when faced with an opinion that doesn't tally with their own, disregard them as 'Trolls' or "try to ignore them"."

As opposed to calling people 'pushy' and 'mung bean eaters' - that's alright then is it?

Anonymous said...

According to Nick's original post, the work was supposed to be complete by March 2008. Only 18 months behind then!

I say, ditch the train and ride a bike.

patrick1971 said...

Far be it from me to defend this project, but I do have some sympathy with being let down over delivery dates. I'm renovating a house at the moment and nearly everything I order online is "out of stock". No one seems to know when stuff will come into stock, and when I ask, "but I'm ordering it, doesn't that mean you then ask your supplier for it and they send it to you?", the reply I get is "well it doesn't work like that".

How it does work remains a mystery.

Anonymous said...

The amount of threads that have been about this,we could have done and finished the work

love detective said...

are the barriers secure enough to resist just being taken down/moved aside by a handful of people?

this kind of story is something private eye would probably be interested in, worth sending something in to them - they could use it as a follow up to a piece they did in the last issue (or one before i can't remeber) about lewisham council chasing a dead man for council tax who although, according to lewisham counciol, was exempt from council tax whilst alive he became liable now that he was dead (can't believe they missed out a pun about death & taxes in the headline though)

graeme said...

"Why cant people just be responsible for looking after themselves when climbing steps?...."

The problem as I see it isn't so much a matter of wrapping people in cotton wool (although clearly it seems that way), more that Lewisham/ Network Rail have to cover their arses against possible litigation should some freeloader trip up and scratch their knee.

If somebody was to injure themselves by climbing the muddy-slope-of-death, would Network Rail be able to defend themselves by saying that the injured should not have been using that slope in the first place?

Matt-Z said...

How about we all engage in a bit of guerilla gardening and plant up the bank with whatever we fancy?

Anonymous said...

and some naff diy crazy paving on the muddy slope to annoy the designers!

Anonymous said...

'If somebody was to injure themselves by climbing the muddy-slope-of-death, would Network Rail be able to defend themselves by saying that the injured should not have been using that slope in the first place?'

Yes, the fencing placed is a clear indication that it should not be used. Hence anyone using it is probably trespassing under the Occupiers Liability rules, and the Occupier (I presume Network Rail) will not be liable for any injury.
Conversely, the handrail issue, or rather use of steps sans handrail would leave the Occupier open to claims under Occupiers Liability, as they have a duty of care to ensure the safety of all individuals using their premises.

St Johns User said...

Short article in the Metro this morning about TfL taking over various Stations this weekend, which will then serve London Overground.

This includes Brockley, New Cross Gate, Honor Oak etc.

We are told "Passengers can look forward to signifcant improvements.........next year"

That's when the steps might get finished then!

Brockley Bolt said...

From now on I am going to try and disrupt or move a little bit of fencing every time I use the station; cumulatively this should ensure full access by summer 2012 so I will be seeking significant funding from Seb Coe.

chrisgee said...

Don't you understand the inclusion of this rail is very crucial.

A missing "rail" might result in people looking for Brockley station on Brockley ....Way and not finding Brockley RAILway station.

.....I'll get my coat.

Anonymous said...

I noticed a laminated "apology" letter from the council attached to the metal gate as I preambulated down the long and winding ramp this evening.

Brockley Kate said...

Hmm that sounds new. Will attempt to photograph asap.

i'm mad as hell and i'm not going to take any more of this. said...

Well I just fell over on the slope, it was the last bloody straw.

So I've managed to open the top hera gates. There is a gap at the bottom of the steps nearest the platform, but I was unable to properly fold it back on itself to make a decent opening as a heavy bin was in the way. A couple of people could do it.

Also on the right hand side at the bottom the gates are only held by rope so a sharp knife or decent scissors should be enough to cut and open it allowing full access on both sides at the bottom of the stairs.

I'll try and have another go tomorrow or if anyone else feels so inclined.

This whole situation is beyond ridiculous, we need to stop this madness of scurrying up and down a muddy slope when there are perfectly usable steps! What the hell is wrong with the world!!!

Anonymous said...

slipped over at 2:00am? Perhaps that fifth pint of Stella and eating a kebab on the move wasn't such a great idea.

aunt betty said...

Serves you right for using the muddy slope. There is a ramp there to walk on you know.

Danja said...

as I preambulated down the long and winding ramp

I assume preambulation is crawling?

Headhunter said...
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Brockley Kate said...

Well, the steps are open, as per MadAsHell's post last night. People were using them this morning!

Anonymous said...

I'm awaiting the "i'm a clumsy twat and I've just fallen over on the steps" post

Paddyom said...

I got the 8.34am train this morning Brockley Kate and they were closed? I hope they have been opened since then though!

brixtonboyo said...

They were open at lunchtime though the gate to platform 2 was locked: why do they do that?

The big ramp is all well and nice but what should a wheelchair user do then? There's no step free way to get to platform 1!!! Why did they not fix that by putting a ramp down on the other side?

Brockley Kate said...

Steps closed again :-(
Someone has been along and closed up the fencing.

Brockley Nick said...

Well if you will trumpet the news on a public website ;)

Anonymous said...

The whole thing has been a complete fiasco and waste of money. I cannot see what benefits there are really. So a mother can spend an extra few minutes pushing her pram up a less steep slope but the platforms are still a problem with no slopes. Why didn't they move the ticket office to street level on both sides if disabled access was required? And whoever managed the contract for the building works? I hope penalties have been incurred for delays!

Monkeyboy said...

brixtonboyo, the project was never intended to make the entire station step-free. I suspect that they were allowed to do it and perhaps secured funding because it will contribute to the station becoming step free at some point in the future. A not altogether daft idea, can you imagine if they had designed a scheme that would have to be ripped up in the future to add in a DDA complaint ramp?

Having said that it's a poor show all round, looks nothing like the proposal. Will look better once planted but still a shocker. TfL are examining their step free schemes, a number have already been cancelled so the ramp to nowhere may be here for a while.

psyche9 said...

They cut down those nice trees and have created an eyesore. Really fed up with attempts to 'neaten up' places as it makes them a lot worse, finished or not. Similar mentality to the obsessive lawn mowing and hedge trimming that goes on in this country.

Anonymous said...

Be careful what you wish for, people.

The Cat Man said...

NEWS ALERT!! - Railings are being put in as I type!!!

(not that it matters much now considering users have pushed aside the barriers to use the steps anyway).

Brockley Kiwi said...

Oh thank god!!! I feel so much safer now ...

Congratulations to all involved to a job well done.

Brockley Kiwi said...

Oh thank god!!! I feel so much safer now ...

Congratulations to all involved to a job well done.

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