Green shoots

Is Brockley's recession a V, U, W or an L?

The imminent re-opening of Moonbows as the Brockley Mess, of Dandelion Blue as Browns of Brockley and of The Talbot as a functioning pub suggest the state of the local economy may be starting to improve.

As economic indicators go, it seems as reliable as any other.

A while back, around the time of the Lehman collapse, we polled BC readers about their personal circumstances - how optimistic were they feeling, financially speaking? We stupidly forgot to record the results, but the majority of those who voted (on a scale of 1 - 4, 1 being champagne, 4 being Special Brew) opted for option 2 - Sancerre.

The opening East London Line extension is perhaps less than six months away and promises structural change for the area, regardless of the peaks and troughs of the business cycle. But how does Brockley feel now, nearly one year on? The poll on the right hand side poses the same question as last time.

Thanks to those on Twitter who suggested the re-poll.

42 comments:

patrick1971 said...

Nick, surely you know by now that:

a. the East London Line is a useless white elephant and should never have been commissioned and built

b. real people don't want fancy delis but would prefer more fried chicken shops

c. pubs like the Talbot are little short of RACIST SOCIAL CLEANSING

d. people who feel economically confident enough to spend money on childcare should be shot

All these things I have learnt from this blog.

Brockley Nick said...

Your training is complete, young one.

Lanky1 said...

Surely you mean "wheeled out and shot" Patrick?

Hugh said...

Yeh we chillin. To be honest the crunch has been one of the most interesting events I've lived through. I don't think I'll ever forget the morning earlier this year when I stopped at Starbucks on the way to work and saw the Times front page headline 'Fear Stalks The Banks' above a monotone picture of the Canary Wharf towers of finance emerging from low-lying cloud. It captured perfectly the sense of teetering on the edge of a very deep chasm.

It was our 9/11, guy.

Anonymous said...

I feel the same as I did before the recession. It only really makes a difference if you've lost your job, otherwise the feeling is very much psychological/media-driven.

drakefell debaser said...

Our business is perilously close to this recession and it has been over 2 years since the first speed wobble. Still hanging in but feeling decidedly special brewed.

Looking to upgrade to Blue Nun by crimbo and there should be corks to pop in a years time.

Pete said...

Wow it's like a GUtalk reunion on here today.

nicola name said...

the UK is in a "W", undoubtedly and unfortuantely.

Brockley OTOH is in a "V" which is very good news resulting largely from the increased visibility and improved access to Canary Wharf that the new line will bring us.

Headhunter said...

What is this V, U, W or L business? I don't understand

patrick1971 said...

Didn't they teach you graphs at your school, Headhunter?

V: economy slumps quickly and suddenly, and recovers equally quickly and suddenly

U: economy slumps dramatically, bottoms out, then recovers dramatically

W: economy slumps, looks like it's recovering, then slumps again before recovering

L: economy slumps and stays slumped

Headhunter said...

Oh. Must've missed that lesson!

tipps said...

This is tricky because I'd rate a nice crisp sancerre higher than over-rated champagne anyday!

But based on personal experience of the property market in Brockley at the moment, I'd vote 2.

Hugh said...

What if the recovery graph got, like, jiggy wid it?

the girls said...

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the girls said...

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max said...

Spammers are really sad people.

Anonymous said...

I'd say Brockley is more of a backslash - \

Anonymous said...

haha very funny. It's clearly not that. The question is whether it's able to buck the rest of the UK economy (my view) and do a "v".

fred vest said...

i'd say it's more of a @ sign, doomed to eventually disappear up it's own arse (not actually brockley itself, just brockley as it's represented here)

as to the economy i think it's clear that the 'recovery' so far is fueled purely by fiscal, and to a lesser extent monetary, stimulus - it's therefore superficial and nothing is currently there to take on the baton from it, leaving a lose-lose situation where they either try to extend fiscal measures and lose the confidence of the gilt market and bankrupt the state/monetise the debt, or withdraw them and stifle the 'recovery' before it's even started

overaccumulation of capital always ends in devaluation or destruction (physical or value or both) of it eventually, can be staved off by monetary or fiscal measures for a time with the best outcome being the orderly devaluation over time, but it can't avoid it completely - that's why crisis is central to capitalism, there's no other way of value relations being re-equilibirated so the whole thing can start again - capitalism is crisis

more worrying however is hugh's increasingly embarassing attempts at mid 90's street talk presented in a superficial veneer of outward self awareness but shot through by an utter lack of it

Brockley Nick said...

Ah Fred. Good morning.

Lisa's brain: Poor predictable Bart. Always takes `rock'.

Bart's brain: Good ol' `rock'. Nuthin' beats that!

fred vest said...

you need to rid yourself of cheesy telly/film quotes nicholas

i'm thinking of changing my moniker here to 'love detective' to project a more cuddly persona - can i get your mob to do the PR on this?

fred vest said...

oops not sure where my manners went there, i meant to open with a Good Morning also

Anonymous said...

Cuddly persona?

Not even Max Clifford could help you.

Anonymous said...

"i'd say it's more of a @ sign, doomed to eventually disappear up it's own arse (not actually brockley itself, just brockley as it's represented here)"

If you hate it here so much you know what you can do.
Oh, but than who'd give needy little Fred all the attention he so clearly craves?

fred vest said...

not sure where i've ever said I hate it here, i see myself more in the role of a fearless anthropologist sacraficiing their own self comfort in the dedicated pursuit and chroncilisation of knowledge about a strange tribe

on a more mundane level it's something to do while i should be working (and one of the few sites that don't seem to be banned by work filter) but you're welcome to your own interpretation anonymous -

Headhunter said...

Fred doesn't live in Brockley anyway anon, he lives in Catford. I doubt Brockley as represented here will "disappear up its own arse", I think the gentrification of Brockers will continue unabated. More a gentrification forward slash / I should think. For better or worse, there's not a lot any of us can do about that.

Anonymous said...

"on a more mundane level it's something to do while i should be working"
Fair enough - although one would think saving Catford from crime and gentrification would keep you busy enough.

Do you have a special uniform?

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

I think we are well on the road to recovery; why only last night I spotted on a tree in Wickham Road NOT the usual "Cat Lost" poster but a "Cat Found" poster!

How much better can the news get?

Ginger with white markings by the way if Tiddles has gone missing.

Brockley Nick said...

AND the Wickham Arms was busy last night too!

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

It got even busier after you and Kate left and the band came on .......

Brockley Kate said...

"Thiiiiiiiiiiiii-iings can only get beeeeee-tter" ....

Anonymous said...

Cat found in Catford, contact The Cat Man

Headhunter said...

Oh god. This is all getting a bit mindlessly optimistic. There must be something shit going on surely? ....I swear I saw a new satellite dish on Manor Ave yesterday....

Anonymous said...

Call the conservation brigade, quickly!

0207-MNG-BEEN

Brockley Nick said...

please watch the potty mouth HH

Headhunter said...

Oops sorry and I'm normally so well behaved.

Tamsin said...

A "Cat found" poster is nice. Although the couple of times that I have had a stray turn up I've been able to relate it to a "Cat Lost" poster and get it back to its owner.

Anonymous said...

Cat found, prepared and served with lemon juice. Delivery minimum £10.

Moaner said...

These posters are becoming a little too frequent. It's like flyposting, we have cats, yoga, local events, pinned on the trees and more often than not, they aren't taken down but simply left in the trees to rot away.

Moaner said...

Speaking of green shoots, there's plenty of them springing up on what was the Brockley Common.
That project is so annoying right now.

Anonymous said...

A bloke round the corner of Sid's and Gogi's always tries to sell me a bag of green shoots.

Anonymous said...

I know that bloke.

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