We got 99 problems but the rich ain't one


The Jonathan Swift of Brockley graffiti artists strikes again, with this bit of Christmas cheer, courtesy of Deptford blogger Marmoset.

38 comments:

Hugh said...

If there's a poodle in heaven was he behind the Christmas suicide bombings in Pakistan and attempted airliner bombings?

Find peace. said...

Hugh you have been told to go on an Alpha course or speak to a priest, to enable you get answers to the question you seek. I doubt anyone here is a theologist or a pastor. I am humble believer and could offer a response to you but all you would do is mock and jeer. So I repeat seek out professional counsel.

love detective said...

i think the 'artist' should hold out for the rapture

first time as tragedy etc...

Hugh said...

Find peace, your answer is so good that you won't share it? If only other poodle followers were as humble.

Find peace said...

You are asking the age old question; why do bad things happen if God (whom you have decided to refer to as a poodle) is a loving God?

The answer that I can offer, which you will probably have heard many times before is that, God has given humanity freewill, God is love, where there is the absence of God/love, where for example someone rejects God and or decides that hatred will guide them, then bad things, evil acts are apt to occur, such as suicide bombings to more casual cruelty.

You will probably then mention natural phenomena such as hurricanes, tsunamis when many innocents, good people are indiscrimately hurt or killed. This is where I hold my hands up and say that my understanding of God is not deep or broad enough to offer a response that would help a non believer.

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Hugh said...

I don't think anyone's understanding is deep or broad enough.

So let me get this right. He gave us free will so we could fight, drink, watch Sky and decide God is something someone invented.

Having done that, why didn't He just cease existing? I can see what He left himself to do all day.

Hugh said...

can't

welcome to 2009 said...

Find peace said...

"The answer that I can offer, which you will probably have heard many times before is that, God has given humanity freewill, God is love, where there is the absence of God/love, where for example someone rejects God and or decides that hatred will guide them, then bad things, evil acts are apt to occur, such as suicide bombings to more casual cruelty."

- Hang on a minute, you can't say that the suicide bomber was acting without the guiding hand of God - he believed he was doing God's will - who are you to say otherwise? I'm afraid you have to take him as one of your team.

- On the wider point, you're saying that an all-powerful, all-loving god created a system which not only inevitably leads to enormous suffering and misery, but also sets up the perpetrators for an eternity of damnation in hell. How is this god a loving god?

"You will probably then mention natural phenomena such as hurricanes, tsunamis when many innocents, good people are indiscrimately hurt or killed. This is where I hold my hands up and say that my understanding of God is not deep or broad enough to offer a response that would help a non believer."

- That's a long-winded way of saying that there is no good answer to that one.

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Brockley Nick said...

@Find Peace - I deleted that one due to its offensive nature, so will delete your response also.

Hugh said...

God presumably created Fred West.

If God is omniscient (that means he knows everything) presumably He knew what old Fred was planning to get up to.

We celebrate this guy's birth with a global holiday?

Find peace said...

Killing people in the name of God is not consistent with my understanding of the bible. Everytime I have read of this happening in history, be it crusades or 'just wars', it appears to have come about more from political expediency than theology.

And let's be honest part of theology is debating where moral lines should be drawn as based upon Christian teaching. Witness the CofE minister suggesting that in certain contexts theft from shops is acceptable. Then this view being denounced by a former archbishop.

For me, its not acceptable to steal under any circumstances but it doesn't mean that because my view differs from another Christian that God does not exist or that Christianity is invalid.

Hugh said...

That leaves Fred West.

Find peace. said...

"That's a long-winded way of saying that there is no good answer to that one."

No, not that there is 'no good answer' but that I do not have an adequate response.

How could I possibly say to someone who has seen their whole family wiped out..."God works in mysterious ways". But that is why pastors, prelates, imans, rabbis people have taken great time to study and explore these matters of faith exist.

So again Hugh and others, spend time with people who have acquired wisdom in these areas via a course or pop down to local place of worship and ask them. Try it.

welcome to 2009 said...

Find peace - religious people say that two of the key arguments in favour of religion are that firstly, it gives people an absolute standard on which to base our morality and secondly, that it provides an incentive for people to good. Without religion, we descend in to amorality and evil, as you have already suggested.

But the examples we've both given show that neither of these arguments holds any water.

Firstly, it's possible to use one's faith to justify any course of action, including stealing or even blowing people up.

Secondly, because of this, there is no incentive to be 'good'. So long as we can tell ourselves we're doing god's work, we can do anything we please.

welcome to 2009 said...

"No, not that there is 'no good answer' but that I do not have an adequate response."

So if you know the question and undestand its implication (that there is no god), why haven't you spent the time to find out the answer - as a believer, there can't be anything more important in your life than answering a question so fundamental to your faith? Either that, or why not consider that maybe the atheists are right?

westsider said...

why is BC infested with religious argument at the moment?

The Cat Man said...

Its a mung thing

westsider said...

catman, you still haven't answered yesterday's question: what do you think a "mung" is. If you think a row between an ascerbic, avaricious lawyer and a simple-minded god-botherer is the result of mung-culture, then it's even more evidence that you don't have a clue what you're on about.

Find peace said...

Probably because it's Christmastime. If you were cool you would have skillfully changed the subject. Welcome to 2009 people don't want to read theological debates.
So with that in mind what did people get for Christmas. I did pretty well considering there's a recession on. A jumper, socks,(as always) a fancy smelly gift set from Molton Brown, there was some other stuff too. Speaking of which does anyone want a Michael McIntyre DVD?

drakefell debaser said...

Yes please.

welcome to 2009 said...

find peace, I'll ask the question again:

So if you know the question and undestand its implication (that there is no god), why haven't you spent the time to find out the answer - as a believer, there can't be anything more important in your life than answering a question so fundamental to your faith? Either that, or why not consider that maybe the atheists are right?

Monkeyboy said...

can't stand Michael McIntyre.

Hugh said...

Find peace, I had a catholic schooling so I think I've had about as much wisdom from believers as I can take for one lifetime. None of it was remotely convincing, based as it was on further beliefs that weren't themselves justified.

As for the Alpha course, if you can't see that for the racket that it is then I suggest a sight test. That said, anyone seeking the meaning of life from a salesman probably deserves what they get.

Aren't you going to answer the question about Fred West?

LeeEvans said...

Me Either

Brockley Nick said...

There is but one god: Stewart Lee.

M said...

Well I worship at the church of Richard Herring and I'll fight you to prove He is the one!

Brockley Nick said...

Ah my child, do you not see?

B L Zebub said...

...and the Prince Of Darkness sewed greed and hate amongst the Godless. His Kingdom rose in the depths of Brockley with the son of privilege, the high priest of cynicism Hubert on his left side.

His disciples conspired in the dark, dank Ask Toes temple.


....but the whole think was brought down because they didn't seek the correct 'change of use' and every one hugged and skipped into the light.

The Cat Man said...

Whos Stewart Lee?

I do not believe in God, If I did I would have to somehow persecute myself for being Gay - as being Gay is a SIN!

Anonymous said...

being a halfwit perhaps should be

Monkeyboy said...

Stealing! How could you? Haven't you learned anything from that guy who gives sermons at church? Captain what's-his-name?
-- Homer Simpson

Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else -- and it hasn't -- it's that girls should stick to girl's sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such.
-- Homer Simpson

You know, the one with all the well-meaning rules that don't work in real life -- uh, Christianity.
-- Homer Simpson, telling what religion the family belongs to

You're everywhere. You're omnivorous.
-- Homer Simpson, Homer's attitude to God

No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions, you musta been out taking a whizz. -- to store proprietor and Hindu, Apu Nahaasapeemapetilon


Thst settles it I would say.

jon s said...

The Alpha course is merely slick marketing applied to evangelicalism.

1. Identify common themes of what most people are concerned about, nastiness, inequality, etc.

2. List the benefits of your product. (Yes, religion is a product.) For religion it is acts of kindness, community and wisdom written in the bible. (You could just as easily use any classic written text for this, Tolstoy, Shakespeare, Beowulf...)

3. Once they are hooked gloss over the flaws and train them to debate within the context your product, blindly accepting its premise.

Ultimately alpha course or not, no one religious can get away from the fact that you accept on faith what is written in a book. The negative parts are glossed over; selling of your daughter into slavery is OK (Exodus 21:7)! Woe betide logic, evidence and analysis which undermines what is written in the book.

Tamsin said...

It's gone back to religion again...

My son might also be interested in the Malcolm MacIntyre DVD.

The six year old son of a work colleague chose me a little flat purse - which is brilliant! Normally I fish around in half a dozen pockets for my change, this can go in a back hip pocket and hold it all.

My own son got me a black shirt - because I had been borrowing one of his for a couple of recent funerals... Since I only wear black at funerals this is slightly worrying. I hope I don't make use of it too soon.

The simple things of life...

love detective said...

never had you down as a blackshirt tamsin :(

godhelpus said...

To save us all from Satan's power,When we were gone astray.

"God rest ye Merry Gentlemen"

Anonymous said...

Did he or she get out of that nice new car to spray that ?

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