Oyster Pay As You Go - Now at Brockley

We had our first experience of using Oyster Pay-As-You-Go at Brockley Station today (or rather, our companion did, as you can't buy Oyster cards at Brockley Station, only top up at the machines). We felt pathetically grateful, like we had been accepted in to the greater London family, at long last.

Cllr Sue Luxton tweeted to say she'd successfully used it at Ladywell Station today too. Have you tried Oyster locally? Did it give you a warm sense of belonging? More importantly, did it work?

91 comments:

Anonymous said...

And did the ticket station staff even know if it was installed or not?

Brockley Nick said...

They were aware of its existence, yes. Having bought a card at Charing X today, I don't understand why they couldn't be selling them here too - doesn't appear to be anything more complex than selling a normal ticket.

Hugh said...

Anyone notice that ticket machine at St Johns was smashed to pieces the same day a little snow stopped the entire train network functioning? I thought about it and decided: well done.

Ann said...

Whuhoooooooooooooooooooooo!

Finally. I can stop writing annoyed emails to tfl.

Then again, maybe not.

veggiegirl said...

I used it first thing this morning to get to Waddon. Checked with the staff and was initially told it wasn't working but I think he'd misunderstood me and thought I was asking whether I could buy an Oyster card. Another staff member immediately corrected him.

Very fine. Cheaper than a train ticket too.

tyrwhitt ali said...

Anyone tried to use an Oyster Extension Permit or whatever they're called. I was running for a train in Essex today so just got my normal ticket

brockleybiker said...

How much then is it? Single ticket BCY > LBG for example?

Brockley Nick said...

@BB - I think a single off peak to LBG was £1.70 on Oyster.

urbansurgery said...
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urbansurgery said...

From HOP it is £2.60 peak / £2 off peak

brockleybiker said...

Hmmm a return ticket is £3:40 so at least it hasn't gone up.

Moaner said...

Not being a train user, you could say that this was value for money. Over twice as fast as a 21 bus, but now only 50p more! Mind you, last time I caught a train from BCY to LB it was £2.20 return.

Anonymous said...

Yep, Bus fares have gone up 20p on Oyster.

Anonymous said...

used it today to go into waterloo and then out to hampton court, all worked fine, much easier than queuing up to get a ticket

Lou Baker said...

Don't bother with Oyster Extension Permits. Plead ignorance if caught. The train companies won't be able to keep up this final act of resistance for long. I suspect, deep down, even they know it's a dumb idea.

Anonymous said...

brockleybiker said...Hmmm a return ticket is £3:40 so at least it hasn't gone up.

Got a rail-ticket off-peak return Brockley to London Bridge cost £4.30 (was £3.50), a rise of 80p or ~ 23%.

So Oyster card is currently cheaper at £3.40 off-peak return but I understand the Oyster discount will end soon so how much will it cost then?

Marisa said...

The joys of Boris being Mayor!

sc said...

I have just been on the tfl.gov website and it says the single fare from Brockley to Charing Cross is £3.20 peak and £2.80 off peak using oyster! I assume this is incorrect as someone here said the single off peak fare was £1.70. Please can anyone tell me the peak cost using oyster?

thanks

give me soma said...

On Oyster PAYG I got charged £1.70 off peak to London Bridge and £2.80 returning from Charing Cross (involving a wonderful 30 minutes wait at Lon Bridge at 7.30 Saturday night, stuck platform side as well). So overall costing £4.50!!

If you can manage to find the return ticket price on the machine, as it's been moved from the 1st screen, its £4.30 (I think) return. So ticket prices have indeed gone up by 80p/90p return. Or by £1 if using the wonderful Oyster!?

They give with one hand and take with the other...

patrick1971 said...

Machines at Crofton Park all uncovered yesterday and, apart from one at the eastern end of the Sevenoaks platform, all seemed to be working. Didn't use them as I have an annual travelcard.

Will make it easier to nip down to Bromley for some shopping on a Sunday, as previously you always had to fight with surly staff at Bromley South who couldn't understand that you hadn't bought a ticket at Crofton Park because (a) it was unstaffed and (b) the machines didn't sell extension tickets.

Excited at being able to visit The Glades with greater ease? Yes, I am middle-aged.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

What you have to realise is that the Oyster pay as you go fare for a journey from Zone 2 into Zone 1 - the most common commute I suspect in our area - is different if it involves two networks rather than just one.

If you use rail only it is £2.40(ish) whilst if you use rail and tube (as I do) it rises to £3.20.

It is therfore cheaper for me to continue to buy a weekly ticket than use pay as you go.

Hugh said...

Is Oyster live at SAJ (St Johns to those in the know)?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Oyster...simples? No, in fact, not at all.

Well apparently the 'give me soma...' 2.80GBP train fare is correct from Charing Cross to Brockley.

Brockley to London Bridge is indeed 1.70GBP single, as found on the tfl fare finder

To understand the best deal for you it might be worth a look at London TravelWatch advice. Good luck.

Tamsin said...

@give me soma - And (at the risk of being boring - sign-the-petition) a month ago you could have had a through train from Charing Cross. My husband's normal commute cost has shot up in price and complexity as well. They just don't like people being flexible and innovative in using what transport options remain on offer.

Brockley Nick said...

How can they get away with charging different rates for two different zone 1 London destinations?

Brockley Nick said...

I've just checked the TfL fare finder and it says the price for a journey to London Bridge is the same as a journey to Charing X, 1.70 off peak with Oyster.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Nick
Nick

London Bridge and Charing Cross are the same fare as they are both rail only journeys.

Try Brockley to Leicester Square (a few minutes walk from Charing Cross) and see what you get.......

The readers at St Johns are operational.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, but that involves rail and tube and has always been more expensive, in which case Oyster hasn't changed anything, has it?

Anonymous said...

Haven't used Oyster yet but picked up a leaflet, am I right in thinking a peak fare has been introduced between 16:00 - 19:00 ?

Also have the return fares rapidly been increased?

Travelling off-peak from Ladywell I'm sure there was a time a single was about £2.10 and a return £2.50.

Now a single is £3.10 and the return almost double at £5.30.

Ed said...

Don't most of us use travelcards (which pleasingly seem to be activated at Brockley rather than LB now)?

sc said...

But why is it £1.70 from Brockley to LB/CX but £2.80 from CX back to Brockley?

Brockley Nick said...

@sc - it isn't as far as I can see, it's £1.70 for either journey, but I have put a request in to the TfL press office to clarify the issue.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

To be fare (fair) the old cost of two tickets from St Johns to Green Park (my commute) would have been £3.90 (2.40 + 1.50). It is now £3.20.

Buying a weekly ticket works out at £2.58 a trip providing you travel on five days with the advantage of plenty of other "free" trips.

Sorry about the double Nick, Nick.

Whoops done it again!

By the way there is no such thing as a "return" on Oyster pay as you go. I assume train cash return fares are still competitve unlike Tube and Bus cash fares

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

sc

Its £2.80 from Charing Cross TUBE station £1.70 from Charing Cross RAIL.

Yes I know, but you can't tell a computer to go upstairs and use a big train.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

sc

Its £2.80 from Charing Cross TUBE station £1.70 from Charing Cross RAIL.

Yes I know, but you can't tell a computer to go upstairs and use a big train.

TM said...

Hmmmmmm

I seem to have duplication problems today.

Not an auspicious start to 2010

sc said...

Ohh! B. Nick and T. Michael - thank you. I'm not a regular train user and I'm finding it incredibly confusing.

So, for a single journey from Brockley to CX with an Oyster Card will cost £1.70 off peak and £2.10 peak? (saving me 30p I believe?)

Brockley Nick said...

Yes - at least until Oyster fares change! ;)

sc said...

Phew, I got there in the end! Thanks Nick.

M said...

I just wish I'd seen this thread before I bought my zones 1-3 weekly travelcard today - it seems it would've been cheaper to use Oyster PAYG. Better take some unnecessary trips to get my moneys worth... I know now though - thank you Brockley Central!

Cheesed off commuter. said...

Southern trains sent a 4 carriage train, at 7.48am this morning. It was late as is unacceptably frequent.

Maybe 25% of the people on the platform at Brockley got on and 10% of NCG'ers.

There were arguements as desperate people tried to cram on, to avoid the 20 minute wait on a freezing platform.

There was an apology from the softly spoken female train driver. But to be honest, apologies are wearing thin.

The service from Southern is unacceptable.

Anonymous said...

I managed to squeeze on the train - been in training the last two weeks fighting Germans to get on ski gondles - so was a breeze despite lack of ski sticks to poke at people!

The softly spoken train driver's announcement made me smile though - "the next train to central London will be arriving shortly" - yea right!

Anonymous said...

I see that Southern have slyly done away with the Off-Peak Return. So if you're not using Oyster you now have to buy a Peak Return.

angelofthewest said...

no off-peak return --- that is sneaky. Re T. Michael and buying a weekly travel card vs PAYG: I sympathise and, I firmly believe that the Oyster card readers should be programmed to revert you to the lowest possible fare tier after the fact. They already revert to a 1-Day Travel Card if your PAYG activity over the course of a day is over the cost of the day travelcard. So yes, machines are stupid, but TFL is just mean, and that is the problem. If this were truly a public service, it would be a no-brainer to have the machine calculate the lowest fare-basis for a travel over time. I mean if they are going to collect all this data about our movements through london, we may as well profit from it too.

Hugh said...

Are any of you fat carbon-godzilla-print-leaving slobs resolved to get to work under your own steam in 2010?

neanderthal d said...

" Hugh said...

Are any of you fat carbon-godzilla-print-leaving slobs resolved to get to work under your own steam in 2010?"


Ungrammatical. Your standards are slipping mate.

Anonymous said...

How long before they employ people Japanese stylie to cram people on.

Hugh said...

Actually that's perfect grammar. But thanks for noting my superb (and, for you, unreachable) standards.

Cheesed off said...

To be honest Hugh's contemptuous comment for people who used public transport and then complain on forums , like these is apt.

We kinda deserve it, because we don't do anything to change things.

Yesterday seeing people arguing with each other,about moving down into the carriage, when there was barely any space in the centre of the carriage and I suspect the reason why the people there didn't move was because there was nothing to hang onto.

Not once in the arguements did anyone take the wider view.They took the easy option and blamed fellow passengers rather than looking at the situation as a whole. And in so doing the rail company's part, the governments part in all this is ignored.

I think we are too polite about unacceptable service. I mean what the hell is Southern doing sending a four carriage train LATE, in the middle of rush hour in the middle of winter when an 8 carriage train is normally filled to the brim.

And the only thing we receive in response is a half-arsed apology from some bewildered sounding driver.

Tamsin said...

We do do something about it. Matters are publicised on blogs like these, leaflets handed out and about 4000 so far have signed a petition for cuts made to be restored and the planned cuts for the summer to be re-thought.
And at the talk to the manager event last autumn the poor guy was over-whelmed.
Hopefully the occasion of handing over the petition will also be well attended.
The problem is that there is so much flannel when you try to complain that those with livings to earn simply cannot spare the hours. Campaigning is a full-time occupation.

Hugh said...

Why, in a neighbourhood as green and right-on as Brockley, do most people take the train or bus into central London?

Anonymous said...

Accident statistics & news reports on deaths of cyclists crushed by lorries probably has something to do with it.

Hugh said...

Agreed but how much?

M said...

I work in Chiswick - the ride would kill me, never mind the lorries.

Anonymous said...

There's a strong chance of snow tomorrow

BBC Weather for London Bridge

Given what we had to go through 2 Mondays ago. It might be worth preparing get home options now.

drakefell debaser said...

I stopped taking the train last March and bought a bike and have not commuted by train since. The media headlines of cyclists getting knocked over did worry me at first but after my first week I felt liberated. I get to work in 20 minutes, a journey which would be 45 mins to an hour by train and half an hour at best by bus. You also save a lot of money and the health benefits are obvious.

Staying alert, obeying traffic regulations and applying common sense will keep you out of harms way. Besides, most of the cars are going slower than you anyway.

Hugh said...

Amen to that. People go on about roady safety but I can't help feeling it's basically laziness that keeps them taking the train.

Tamsin said...

And the issues of where to put the bike when you arrive (my daughter left hers chained up and secure but it was still stolen - to her abiding grief) and of arriving in a sweaty heap if there are no workplace showers. A colleague where I used to work in Bromley cycled to work and it was sometimes downright unsavory being in a meeting with him.

Hugh said...

Fair enough. It's true that too few employers make cycling easy. That said, I read somewhere that 25% of the workforce of PwC (or Deloitte - one of them) in London bike in. That is a lot of bean counters. So it can be done.

busdriver said...

We dont want It looking like the tour De France every day,and blocking all the bus lanes.

drakefell debaser said...

A colleague of mine has the misfortune of travelling from Haywards Heath to London via Southern every day and the troubles go all the way to the South Coast.

A month ago (it took this long to respond) he asked Southern what the percentage of on time arrivals for his particular morning train was. The answer - 16%.

The train directly after his usual one has a 15% punctuality record.

Cheesed off said...

So 1 in 5 journeys is late? That is shocking from a customer service point of view. 80% of customers are not getting what they've paid for.

If you have been delayed get a refund . via 'Delay Repay' scheme. The details are here

http://www.southernrailway.com/your-journey/delay-repay/

drakefell debaser said...

Thanks for the link, I have passed it on.

TM said...

Hugh

Neanderthal is right, you are wrong.

Your grammar is incorrect.

Have perchance?

MrFrosty said...

Heavy snow forecast tonight so wont have to worry about Oyster cards tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

It already says Southeastern Railway Is running a reduced service tomorrow.

Tim said...

Hugh. As long as there are no dedicated cycle lanes in London, and I mean proper ones, which are not just a line painted in the road, I will not cycle to work. Please don't call me lazy because I value my personal safety.

Hugh said...

Tim, not sure what you mean by proper. Is the bus lane a proper bus lane? It looks pretty much like a cycle lane only larger and a different colour.

Cyclists also value their safety, hence all the yellow crap we wear. You may not be lazy but I find it hard to believe that most people who could get to work by other means take the train out of safety concerns.

After the 7/7 bombings all these people at work started cycling because the tube terrified them. 'I didn't realise it was so easy!' they said. After two months they were all back on the tube.

Tim said...

In the Netherlands, cycle lanes are completely separate to the road, there is kerbing in between. Hence, there is much less chance of being run down by a vehicle whose driver has lost concentration for a second. I will never cycle to work while there is a chance I could be injured or worse, through no fault of my own. The chance of being injured on a train is negligible. I resent being called lazy because of that fact. I also resent the implication that I am not green because I choose not to cycle.

Anonymous said...

If they made lots of cycle lanes It would be the pedestrians who would have to wear the safety gear.

Hugh said...

The fact remains, Tim, that by cycling I am much greener than you.

Anonymous said...

That depends on what kind of bike you ride.

Anonymous said...

my tyres are made out of bamboo and my brakes out of crushed mung beans

Anonymous said...

the only type of green you'll be cycling in this weather is ganggrene

hee hee!

Tamsin said...

Don't jest about bamboo bikes - they exist! And my daughter is desperately keen to make one. Currently a guy in New York runs two day courses to do just this - kit and help provided. There is also a small factory in Zambia that he started that churns out frames.

Anonymous said...

Oh, how quaint.

graeme said...

People were racing on bamboo-rimmed bicycles in the 1930s

Anonymous said...

if you bought your bike from Halfords there is a good chance it was made in China by a 10 year old.

Hugh said...

10-year-olds in London spend their time on Playstation. China at least has the right idea.

Brockley Mung said...

Yeah. One man's "built by a chinese child" is another man's "handbuilt artisan arts and crafts".

Brockley Nick said...

Bamboo bike review

Strong, lightweight, made in California, by adults, sustainably grown.

http://ow.ly/Tgb5

John Moonbow said...

Train Information: Ladywell/st John's Trains

Just came from Lower Sydenham where the guard gave me a revised timetable for today - 'special bad weather service' I quote.

Last train from Cannon St to Hayes is 19.30 or from LB 19.34. Last train to London is 20.40 from Ladywell and 20.46 SJ's.

FYI my Cannon St train terminated at New Cross.

Good luck

graeme said...

Together with Craig Calfee's bamboo offerings, there's Jan Museeuw, the ex-Belgian pro who's incorporating the almost bucolic sounding flax into his latest racing frames.

Bicycles made from hemp are the future though, I tell you.

Hugh said...

I used my Oysta this morning from SAJ to LBG. Cost me 2.10 notes.

M said...

Thanks for the info John Moonbow.
Last train from Charing X is 7pm. Getting home last night was chaos enough and it wasn't even snowing.

Not looking forward to tonight.

M said...

Actually scrap that - it now seems there are no trains at all to Ladywell from Charing X. All departing from Cannon St.

Headhunter said...

I biked in this morning. Roads are well salted (which of course corrodes the bike and components, but watcha gonna do) so completely clear. I just couldn't face the push and shove to get on a sweaty, busy train or bus which would probably be late or cancelled, after standing freezing in the snow for half an hour. Jumped on the bike and was in work in 20 mins. Stuff the train and bus...

graeme said...

A bit of hand-holding required here. I have to get up to Elstree & Borehamwood tomorrow (zone 6 return off peak) leaving from Crofton Park. I've had a look at TfL's fares page and it indicates that travel within zone 6 is capped at £7.50 off-peak on this new-fangled Oyster system. Is this correct?
It's only a quid or so more than I'd spend on motorbike juice, and as it's more or less a direct service, it would seem a shame not to make use of it. (The only worry being that it's operated by First Capital Connect)

grae said...

its. aargh.

grae said...

I'm not channeling Mark E Smith, I thought I'd pre-empt the punctuation police. Turns out I wasn't incorrect anyway. (Too much caffeine.)

luddite said...

I'm a bit behind in adopting this Oyster card thingie. Can I just check that Oyster pay-as-you-go is the most sensible option for someone like me who only makes occasional use of the public transport system (one or two journeys into central London a week at most, sometimes at peak times, plus the odd tube and bus journey).

Assistance much appreciated - thanks!

PS your Mark E Smith comment made me laugh, graeme.

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