Elections 2010: The morning after the evening after the morning before

Morning, all. While you slept, the Labour Party re-gained control of Lewisham Council in convincing fashion, routing 5 of our 6 Green councillors in the process.
Labour now has an absolute majority on the council.

11.40am update:
The overall make-up of the new council (with 1 ward still to declare, as it requires a re-count) is as follows:
Labour 38
Lib Dem 12
Green 1

Full details for each ward are available here.

Thanks so much to Jo, Sue Luxton and everyone else who contributed with information and comment throughout the (very long!) evening.

BC would like to wish good luck to all the newly-elected councillors, and offer thanks to all those who've lost their seats for their hard work over the years.


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11.40 Update
Those remaining ward results for you:
Blackheath ward:
Kevin Bonavia (Lab)
Amanda De Ryk (Lib Dem)
Chris Maines (Lib Dem)

Downham ward -
Duwayne Brooks (Lib Dem)
Jenni Clutten (Lib Dem)
Julia Fletcher (Lib Dem)

Rushey Green ward -
Peggy Fitzsimmons (Labour)
Helen Klier (Labour)
John Muldoon (Labour)

Grove Park ward:
recount necessary


02.30 Update
Total council seat results so far:
Labour 34
Lib Dems 7
Greens 1
14 wards down, 4 to go.
Thanks so much to Jo and Sue Luxton, whose reporting of these results we've shamelessly hijacked. Sleep well, everyone ...


02.22 Update
Telegraph Hill ward: 3 Labour:
Paul Bell - 2861
Joan Millbank - 2735
Dan Whittle - 2235
Incumbent socialists Ian Page got 1362 and Chris Flood 1216.
Catford South ward: 3 Labour:
Skip Amrani - 2703
Alan Smith - 2722
Eva Stamirowski - 1885

02.07 Update
The tipping point has been reached: LABOUR WINS ABSOLUTE MAJORITY ON LEWISHAM COUNCIL.
Lee Green ward:
Pauline Beck (Lib Dem)
Sven Griesenbeck (Lib Dem)
Jim Mallory (Lab)
Total council seat results so far:
Labour 28
Lib Dems 7
Greens 1
12 wards down, 6 to go

02.03 Update
A summary of the position so far on the all-new Lewisham Council:
Labour 27
Lib Dems 5
Greens 1
11 wards down, 7 to go (Telegraph Hill is an interesting one - can it hang onto its incumbent socialists?). I think we can all see where this is trending ... Labour are set for a clear majority. I'll keep logging results until I fall asleep, which might not be long now ...

01.50 Update
Lewisham Central ward: 3x Labour. Regular BrockleyCentral contributor Max Calo loses his bid to become a Lib Dem councillor for the ward.

01.46 Update
A summary of the position so far on the all-new Lewisham Council:
Labour 24
Lib Dems 5
Greens 1
10 wards down, 8 to go.

01.42 Update
Perry Vale ward: 3x Labour
Evelyn ward: 3x Labour

01.34 Update
Brockley ward:
Darren Johnson (Green) 2330
Vicky Foxcroft (Lab) 2632
Jimi Adefiranye (Lab) 2449
Things have quietened down a bit. If the flow of results doesn't start up again soon I'm going to nod off, so we may need to finish this off in the morning.

01.13 Update
Crofton Park ward: 2x Lab (Addison and Morrison), 1 Lib Dem (Bowen), according to Sue Luxton. Greens were in third place.

01.08 Update
Bellingham ward: 3x Labour.
Alan Hall (2380), Ami Ibitson (2269) and Ron Stockbridge (1925).
Lib Dems and Conservatives in region of 800-1200; Jenny Stewart of LPBP ahead of Greens on 318.
That's six results down, 12 more to go in the Lewisham Council elections.
BC is beginning to suspect that everyone at the BBC has gone to bed, as their local elections webpage hasn't been updated for ages and is showing incorrect totals. So no developments to bring you on that front.

01.03 Update
3 x Labour in Ladywell, Sue Luxton reports on Twitter.
Darren Johnson holds his seat, but Dean Walton and Romaine Phoenix lose theirs in Brockley ward, she says.

00.57 Update
Forest Hill ward:
Alex Feakes (Lib Dem) 3144
Philip Peake (Lib Dem) 2405
Anne Affiku (Labour) 2154
Other Lib Dem and Labour around 2000 votes each. Conservatives in 900-1200 range. Greens averaging about 500 votes.

00.45 Update
Isn't it annoying that all the TV news channels choose to entirely ignore the fascinating and complex local elections picture in favour of endless moronic talking heads, repeating nonsense phrases like it's going out of fashion. Across the country, counts have been going on today, with thousands of candidates, counters, spectators and voters waiting to find out the results, and yet not a peek of any of it on the main news channels. I do understand that it's terribly important to say nothing over and over again repeatedly in a tone of increasing agitation, but still, you'd think they'd want to come up for air occasionally ...

00.25 Update
New Cross ward: 3 x Labour. Long, Maslin and Padmore 'all on approx 2,500 votes with next candidate down on 947', Jo reports.
Whitefoot ward: Pattison (Lib Dem) 2030, Foreman (Lib Dem) 1925, Daby (Labour) 2375.
'Other Lib Dem and Labour candidates around 1500 votes each. Conservative 800-900 range', Jo reports.
Sydenham ward: Best, Curren and Nisbet (all Labour).

00.00 Update
Tower Hamlets Labour (no change).
Ho hum. Would be interested in an explanation of why nearly every other council in the country has managed to declare by now, yet Lewisham hasn't.

23.25 Update
Along with Lewisham's result, we're now waiting for the following handful: Brent, Hackney, Havering, Kingston, Lambeth, Southwark, Tower Hamlets, Westminster.

23.05 Update
Camden Labour gain from no overall control. Ealing Labour gain from Conservatives. Merton no overall control.

22.55 Update
Jo reports from the count: 'Quick update from the count. Lots of glum faces ... except the ones wearing red rosettes. The teams of counters are working their way through the ward councillor votes. Lots of split votes, so suspect results will be later than the estimated 11pm.'
Thanks, Jo, for the updates!

22.28 Update
The overall picture in London so far tonight: the Conservatives have done well at holding councils of which they already had control, but the major gains of the night have been for Labour. London's Parliamentary vote turned out strongly for Labour, and this pattern is being replicated in the local council elections too. The party has really entrenched its control across large parts of the city. To what degree is this a reaction against London Mayor Boris Johnson?

22.15 Update
Hounslow Labour gain from no overall control. Merton no overall control. Labour mayors of Hackney and Newham re-elected. Tories take Richmond from the Lib Dems. Labour takes Waltham Forest from no overall control. Labour holds Newham (winning all 60 seats) and Haringey.

21.20 Update
Some more London council results for you: Barnet is a Conservative hold; Bexley Con hold; Bromley Con hold; Croydon Con hold; Islington is a Labour gain from no overall control.
Councils whose results we're still waiting for:
Lewisham, Brent, Southwark, Camden, Ealing, Hackney, Haringey, Havering, Hounslow, Lambeth, Merton, Newham, Tower Hamlets, Westminster.
Hackney and Newham are also electing mayors; both currently have Labour incumbents who are fighting for a further term of office.

21.10 Update
The detailed position currently at this end of Lewisham:
Telegraph Hill ward: Ian Page (Socialist), Chris Flood (Socialist), Robin Cross (Labour)
Brockley ward: Darren Johnson (Green), Dean Walton (Green), Romaine Phoenix (Green)
Crofton Park ward: Jarman Parmar (Labour), Jackie Addison (Labour), Sylvia Scott (Labour)
Ladywell ward: Mike Keogh (Green), Sue Luxton (Green), Ute Michel (Green)
New Cross ward: Stephen Padmore (Labour), Madeliene Long (Labour), Paul Maslin (Labour)
We're now waiting to see which of these councillors will hold their seat, and which will be out. Gosh, BC feels a bit like Heidi Klum (that's a Project Runway reference, for the boys among you) ....

20.46 Update
And so, the final countdown. Counting for seats on Lewisham Council begins. To summarise the current position:
Labour 26 seats
Lib Dem 17
Green 6
Conservative 3
The Greens are talking down expectations. Labour increased its vote substantially in the Parliamentary elections, and gave Sir Steve Bullock a third term in office: could Labour voters sweep all before them?

20.34 Update
Lewisham Mayoral election result: Labour hold. Sir Steve Bullock has won a third term in office.
Steve Bullock (Labour) 52,531 (with 4670 second prefs)
Chris Maines (Lib Dem) 36,446 (with 10,001 second prefs)
Thanks again to Jo for the info.

19.31 Update
First round votes:
Steve Bullock (Labour) 47,861
Tess Culnane (BNP) 2,904
Graham Dare (English Democrats) 1,559
John Hamilton (LPBP) 5,964
Chris Maines (Lib Dem) 26,445
Simon Nundy (Con) 16,276
Dean Walton (Green) 6,560
Second round count between Steve Bullock and Chris Maines with 33,263 second preference votes to be redistributed.
Thanks to Jo in our comments section for providing the info.

19.15 Update
First round of the mayoral election due, according to Anon in our comments section.
How it works: Unlike the council and Parliamentary elections, the mayoral election uses the supplementary vote system. This means that voters select first-choice and second-choice candidates. In the first round of voting, first-choice votes are counted. If someone has won over 50% of the total, they are declared the winner. If no-one has achieved over 50% of the first-choice votes, all but the leading 2 candidates are rejected. Their second-choice votes are then counted, and added onto the votes already achieved by the two leading candidates. Whichever one has the highest total wins.

18.55 Update
Ladywell Green councillor Sue Luxton has just Tweeted: 'Just woken up having got back from GE count at 10am heading off to locals count soonish. Braced for total/ near total wipeout :( '

18.20 Update
A note on timing: Lewisham Council advises that the Mayoral election result will be announced some time 'after 8pm' this evening, with local council results out 'after 11pm' sometime.

18.00 Update
Greenwich Council remains in Labour hands. Wandsworth remains Tory-controlled.
Nationally, UKIP have so far lost (net) 5 councillors. BNP are down 22 councillors. Greens are down 2. Lib Dems are down 49. Labour are up 239. Conservatives are down 82.

17.45 Update
Let's review some of the London council results. Labour have taken control of Enfield from the Tories. Hammersmith & Fulham, Hillingdon and Kensington & Chelsea all remained in Conservative hands. Sutton remains Lib Dem. Lots of councils still to declare.

17.30 Update
The markets have become more wobbly during the day, as the prospect of coalition talks developed. If there isn't a clear deal by Monday morning, we could be in for a bumpy ride.

17.06 Update
The Barking & Dagenham results are in: Labour take 51 seats, BNP 0. A stunning result, and a total triumph for the Hope Not Hate campaign.

16.58 Update
Let's have a look at General Election turnout in our constituency, Lewisham Deptford. In 2005, it was 51.5%. This year it soared to 61.5%. This is still low compared to the national average, but it's a big increase. The main benefactor was winner Joan Ruddock, who took 22,132 votes in comparison to the 16,902 she polled in 2005. The Lib Dems nearly doubled their vote, and the Conservatives also saw an increase. By contrast the Greens actually lost votes: this doesn't bode well for their local elections performance.

16.30 Update
According to the BBC, a third of council results are in, and the situation is as follows:
Labour gained Hartlepool, Liverpool, Coventry, Doncaster, and Enfield.
The Tories lost control of Lincoln, Brentwood, Solihull, Hyndburn, Mole Valley, Nuneaton & Bedworth, Bury, and North Tyneside.
The Liberal Democrats lost Rochdale and Sheffield.

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As national attention remains rivetted on the process of coalition talks, local election counts are starting up around the country.
We kick off with some news which we think BC readers of all political stripes can unite in rejoicing over: the BNP's Richard Barnbrook has reportedly lost his seat on Barking & Dagenham Council. It's looking like a trouceing for the far right.

BC will be covering further developments as they happen, and of course will bring you Lewisham Council and mayoral results as we get them ... (BK is not planning on pulling another all-nighter, though, you'll be glad to hear).

199 comments:

Monkeyboy said...

Actually the BNP may be in meltdown. Their website guy has spat his dummy out as well as the punch up and the small matter of assasination plots within the party. Bless....

Brockley Nick said...

This is the best general election ever. Everyone's got something to be happy about, except the BNP.

Even UKIP seem happy, bless em.

Brockley Kate said...

All shall have prizes!

Nick Ingham said...

Kate's excellent analysis misses one point which is that we have never had local elections on the same day as a general election before.

Turnout since we last elected a mayor and councillors may have doubled (e.g. turnout in last Brockley local councillor elections was only 28%).

The makeup of the new council may reflect national voting trends more than being a referendum on the performance of our local Mayor and councillors.

Brockley Nick said...

@Nick - I'm sure you're right. A lot of people who would never normally turn out for Council elections will have voted - big Council gains for Labour on their way.

Brockley Kate said...

Good point Nick (Ingram), hadn't thought of that.

Nick Ingham said...

I agree with Nick ... only small gains for Labour but certainly I expect them to regain control of the council - quite possibly at the expense of some of the existing excellent green and socialist councillors.

I think this is sad, as whatever your political views, local councillors who work hard to represent their constituents deserve a fair chance of re-election.

With the mix of local/general elections on the same day all local candidates have to double their vote just to stand still.

Off to the count now. At least I will be able to cheer very loudly if Max Calo wins a well deserved seat.

Brockley Nick said...

"councillors who work hard to represent their constituents deserve a fair chance of re-election"

Well said - but I don't see what one can do about it - I don't think you could really advocate trying to reduce turnout by holding the elections at a different time

Brockley Kate said...

It's a great illustration of the power of party-led voting decisions, though. It's a huge problem for smaller parties and independents: how can they reach out to the electorate sufficiently to combat the efforts which the larger parties can put into a campaign? Being an incumbent councillor should give a bit of a head start on that, but if it proves to be insufficient for our local Greens, it'll be pretty disspiriting for them.

maxink said...

Hi Nick (Ingham), you're very right about the effect of the turnout, and the squeeze may have hit hard in Lewisham Central too, it's one of those wards with a large traditional Labour vote that yesterday turned up to vote against the bogeyman in numbers and voted Labour throughout.
As Nick (Barron) observed Joan Ruddock scored 6000 more votes, and if they're uniformely distributed across the constituency then it means that we'll only have Labour Councillors in Lewisham Deptford.

maxink said...

Hi Nick (Ingham), you're very right about the effect of the turnout, and the squeeze may have hit hard in Lewisham Central too, it's one of those wards with a large traditional Labour vote that yesterday turned up to vote against the bogeyman in numbers and voted Labour throughout.
As Nick (Barron) observed Joan Ruddock scored 6000 more votes, and if they're uniformely distributed across the constituency then it means that we'll only have Labour Councillors in Lewisham Deptford.

Rebecca P said...

Hopefully, lots of people did what I did - vote for Labour in the general election and for the Greens in the local elections.

name said...

Massive kudos to the Kate led election team. Tremendous effort, fantastic. thank you!!!

Anonymous said...

cheers for doing this brockley central

Brockley Kate said...

Thanks all :)
I've really enjoyed it. Thanks for contributing with your comments and discussion. It wouldn't be the same without you all!

Mb said...

I'm not green by inclanation but gave them a full house locally. If they are wiped out it's a real loss.

A weird 24hrs

Anonymous said...

Expecting first round of mayoral count any time now...

Jo said...

Might have jumped the gun a little there (at 19:06) ... don't hold your breath! Returning officer still adjudicating doubtful votes.

Brockley Kate said...

Ok thanks Jo - keep us posted!

Jo said...

First round votes:
Steve Bullock (Labour) 47,861
Tess Culnane (BNP) 2,904
Graham Dare (English Democrats) 1,559
John Hamilton (LPBP) 5,964
Chris Maines (Lib Dem) 26,445
Simon Nundy (Con) 16,276
Dean Walton (Green) 6,560

Second round count between Steve Bullock and Chris Maines with 33,263 second preference votes to be redistributed.

Rob Blackie said...

Mayoral 1st round

Labour 47861
Libera l Democrats 26 445
Conservatives 16 276
Green party 6560
Pbp 5964
Bnp 2904
Ed 1559

Monkeyboy said...

Whatever happens it's great to see the BNP screw up. Hope the main parties do not let them get a foothold again. Now let's just hope they tear themselves apart, split into factions and reveal themselves to be the vile racists that we all know they are, some people fell for their 'people like us' shite.

And breath......

Brockley Nick said...

Shame Tess Culnane did quite so well though.

Anonymous said...

Damn shame it looks like we are going to have to put up with that egocentric buffoon as mayor for another 4 years.

Monkeyboy said...

yep..i was thinking nationaly especially barking. I'm no political strategist but it seems that the poor white bods in areas that were blighted by local industry collapsing just got ignored. They should be Labour to the core, perhaps all the main parties will stop treating them with contempt now...am i being too strong?

When i say 'take them seriously' I don't mean pandering to the easy option of blaming malign outsiders but of showing that they are trying to improve their lot.

Jo said...

Its looking like Mayor Bullock keeps his empire ... Chris Maines appears to be getting more 2nd choices but not enough to catch up.

Tressilliana said...

Stuck with Steve for four more years! Cruel and unusual punishment, surely? Why no limit on the number of terms one person can serve as Mayor? Three in a row is too much, especially given that he was Leader of the council for umpteen years in the 90s.

Thanks to BC for your terrific election coverage - much appreciated!

Anonymous said...

Who would have though that under the sweet, worthers-original, foggey veneer of Tess Colnane beat the callous heart of an ignorant racist?
Still I'd like to give her a little hug, whilst stroking the bristles on her chinny-chin-chin.

Out of interest, Brockley Nick, why do you think George Galloway a monster (from a previous blog)?

Jo said...

There is a rumour that the mayoral result will declare soon ...

Paul Webbewood said...

Congratulations to Lewisham Council for doing the various counts at a rational pace. In Greenwich we had the two Westmintser counts plus those for council seats simultaneously overnight, with the Parliamnetary results at dawn and the Council results from 7-9am. No need for this at all.

To make matters worse the count took place in the David Beckham Academy next to the Dome which was freezing cold.

Not a very good night for Greenwich Council (and the Labour gains made things worse)

Anonymous said...

I think that local elections should be held on a different day to encourage people to vote on different/local issues. If hard working councillors get thrown out because people just vote the same way as they do nationally then that is not good for local areas.

Brockley Kate said...

Gotta say, I have some sympathy with you there, anon.

Anonymous said...

Let's hope if Labour win a mass of seats in the council we don't return to the dark days of decisions being made behind closed doors and just rubber stamped without debate in council.

ALL councillors should be reminded he is an elected Mayor and can be questioned and challenged in council.

Jo said...

Mayor Steve is back!

Final result:
Steve Bullock (Labour) 52,531 (with 4670 second prefs)
Chris Maines (Lib Dem) 36,446 (with 10,001 second prefs)

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon - Well as if his Talksport show wasn't bad enough, his campaign tactics in East London were horrific. And of course, the whole saluting the indefatigability of Sadam business.

Anonymous said...

Brockley Nick, one good thing about Saddam was his clear distinction between secular state and religion. Women's rights under this particular dictator ironically florished (relative to neighbouring countries). Perhaps Galloway, as a know atheist, respected this particular attribute? As for the talk show, that's a matter of taste not morals. I'm definitely not a fan in any way, but perhaps a little harsh in your description? After all, he did give a refreshing and outspoken voice against the war in Iraq.

name said...

Bullock bounds back, this isn't great news. I feel his leadership of Lewisham holds the whole area back. There is a lack of dynamism. This area needs someone with some political panache who gets things done with style. I didn't rate any of the mayoral candidates. It's strange that the role doesn't attract high calibre candidates. Oh well, BXAG, BrocSoc et al, will have to keep ploughing on to try and improve this area.

Monkeyboy said...

Who'd have thought that sadham was a Mungster liberal guardian reader

Anonymous said...

What are the rules about triggering a referendum to abolish the mayor?

Tamsin said...

@ anon 20.26. At what price, though. There have to be huge savings, in both money and avoiding disruption of schools and normal life for those using the public buildings that become polling stations, in having the elections on the same day.

The electorate as a whole just has to be more clued up. Nick did brilliantly with separate virtual hustings for Mayor and for MP. The Pensioners Forum also had separate hustings events for the local councillor and general elections. It can and should be done.

Brockley Nick said...

"Women's rights under this particular dictator ironically florished"

Apart from the rape rooms, I assume you meant to say.

Anonymous said...

Brockley Nick, perhaps "flourished" was not the best word to use in my statement. Of course, as a woman, I do not endorse rape or torture, as the subtext of your reply mockingly conveys! But the actions of one man (Uday Hussein) does not constitute a nation's policy on civil rights. Furthermore, I was alluding to the fact that under Saddam (and to make this abundantly clear - he is truly a monster!) women were not subject to the discriminating effects of Shariah law. Voting (albeit for Hussein or... Hussein), walking free without male chaperone, driving, free to choose whether to sport burkhas or not... These are all small fry of course, but in the cultural context of Iraq it was a major enough to call it progressive. Anyway, a tangent from the main argument of Galloway's "monster" credentials, I just think you were being a little unfair. Just an opinion, sorry.

love detective said...

"Actually the BNP may be in meltdown"

"Everyone's got something to be happy about, except the BNP"

hardly

they've done nothing spectacular (in terms of media headlines), but they've normalised/embedded the level of support that they pulled in at the euro elections (which most at the time pointed to as being a one off protest vote) - it's the long plod for euro nationalism, not flash in the pan protest/astro turf stuff - and they've pretty much got the level of support that was predicted they would get - sure they would have been happier with more but what party wouldn't

it's the first time the far right in the uk have really embedded that level of support without over stretching themselves in the process - with a national vote of almost double the greens and ten times the combined cobweb left vote (plus getting near on 50% of the green vote in lewisham for the mayoral), it's not something to be sniffed at (in terms of number of people in the country who are attracted to them and their brand)

Anonymous said...

Brockley Nick, perhaps "flourished" was not the best word to use in my statement. Of course, as a woman, I do not endorse rape or torture, as the subtext of your reply mockingly conveys! But the actions of one man (Uday Hussein) does not constitute a nation's policy on civil rights. Furthermore, I was alluding to the fact that under Saddam (and to make this abundantly clear - he is truly a monster!) women were not subject to the discriminating effects of Shariah law. Voting (albeit for Hussein or... Hussein), walking free without male chaperone, driving, free to choose whether to sport burkhas or not... These are all small fry of course, but in the cultural context of Iraq it was a major enough to call it progressive. Anyway, a tangent from the main argument of Galloway's "monster" credentials, I just think you were being a little unfair. Just an opinion, sorry.

love detective said...

"Perhaps Galloway, as a know atheist"

galloway is no atheist, his religious fundamentalism (anti abortionist, pro-creationism) was one thing that made him so enamored with, and willing to prostitute his nominally socialist ideals to, a bunch of self appointed imam community leaders in east london - he's scum and given the chance would be a monster

name said...

The level of support the NF had in the 1970s compared to what the BNP have now was massive. Let's keep things in proportion.

Brockley Kate said...

Wahey! Here he is. We missed you, LD. Where ya been, cheering on Sir Steve to victory?

Mb said...

Agreed but they've been nipped in the bud. Now sit back and watch them eat themselves

Monkeyboy said...

not especialy brockleycentric but this http://bit.ly/as0jz3 is interesting. Trouble is now tfl can't blame tubelines. How much money has been pissed away with this experiment? Almost looking forward to going to work on Monday

Anonymous said...

@ Anon. People still defending not just Galloway, but his sponsor Saddam in 2010. Unbelievable.....How many Socialist Workers do you think you'll shift tomorrow?

love detective said...

"The level of support the NF had in the 1970s compared to what the BNP have now was massive. Let's keep things in proportion"

electorally speaking this is not true - the BNP are getting about 3 times as much support as the NF did back in the day - sure the level of street activity and violence is not comparable (especially post 1979 when the NF collapsed electorally and focussed entirely on the streets) - but street activity and violence tends to exaggerate actual structural base support

love detective said...

"Wahey! Here he is. We missed you, LD. Where ya been, cheering on Sir Steve to victory?"

been watching the election non stop like everyone else

Jo said...

Quick update from the count. Lots of glum faces ... except the ones wearing red rosettes.

The teams of counters are working their way through the ward councillor votes. Lots of split votes, so suspect results will be later than the estimated 11pm.

Jo said...

I think we're close to the first Lewisham ward result. New Cross have finished counting and I think they will call the result very soon.

I'm told that each ward will be called when the result is ready, so should be able to drip feed results as they happen.

Brockley Kate said...

Fantastic, thanks so much Jo! Please do so, Ill hang on in to add the results to the main post as they come in. BC will owe you a couple of pints for your reporting services!

mintness said...

Cheers Jo (and Kate). Not sure if the council's website will update until all the wards have declared, so a drip-feed would be good! And if Lewisham Central could be included in the "local wards" for the occasion, that'd be even better. :)

Brockley Kate said...

Mintness, I'll publish results for all the Lewisham wards, if I get hold of them!

mintness said...

Fab, thanks. :)

Jo said...

I've been told a couple of results are ready. Hang on in there and I'll get the results to you.

P.S. Looking like a Green wipe out in Ladywell and Brockley. Someone just told me even Labour's paper candidates are winning.

love detective said...

looks like the green's meeting the same fate as the BNP in barking in the locals - increased turnout diluting their steady/rising absolute vote?

Jo said...

New Cross just announced. Long, Maslin and Padmore back in at a canter. All on approx 2,500 votes with next candidate down on 947.

Ronnie said...

@ Mintness. You did get me excited there. The Council's website updating until all results are declared!
Just checked it. Realistically I think we are talking Monday lunchtime for that stop press. If I'm wrong, I'll be impressed.

Jo said...

Sydenham:
Chris Best, Curren and Nisbet elected, all Labour.

Results coming at a run now!

Jo said...

Whitefoot result:
Pattison (Lib Dem), Foreman (Lib Dem) and Daby (Labour) are elected.
(put that on wrong thread first time)

mintness said...

First sign of the swing to Labour then - Whitefoot was 1100-1300 LD and 700-800 Lab last time.

Jo said...

I'm hearing Conservatives may lose Grove Park to Labour ... very close between Lib Dems and Labour in Blackheath.

Jo said...

Vote numbers in Whitefoot are:
Daby (Labour) 2375
Pattison (Lib Dem) 2030,
Foreman (Lib Dem) 1925

Other Lib Dem and Labour candidates around 1500 votes each. Conservative 800-900 range

mintness said...

We could conceivably lose two of the mayoral candidates as councillors tonight (Walton and Maines), which would be quite something...

Jo said...

Forest Hill 2 Lib Dems and 1 Labour:

Alex Feakes (Lib Dem) 3144
Philip Peake (Lib Dem) 2405
Anne Affiku (Labour) 2154

Other Lib Dem and Labour around 2000 votes each. Conservatives in 900-1200 range. Greens averaging about 500 votes.

love detective said...

Jo cheers for relaying all the results back - much appreciated

Jo said...

Bellingham:
All 3 Labour elected
Alan Hall (2380), Ami Ibitson (2269) and Ron Stockbridge (1925)
Lib Dems and Conservatives in region of 800-1200
Jenny Stewart of LPBP ahead of Greens on 318.

Anonymous said...

Poor Mung beans. :( Not looking too good for them is it. The same forces that swept away the BNP in other parts of London, may do for them too.

Anonymous said...

Poor Mung beans. :( Not looking too good for them is it. The same forces that swept away the BNP in other parts of London, may do for them too.

Jo said...

Brockley - Darren Johnson keep his seat - woo hoo!

Jo said...

Sorry - got a bit over excited there...

Your Brockley councillors are:
Darren Johnson (Green) 2330
Vicky Foxcroft (Lab) 2632
Jimi Adefiranye (Lab) 2449

Jo said...

Quick catch up of a few results I missed:

Crofton Park:
Jackie Addison (Lab)
Pauline Morrison (Lab)
John Bowen (Lib Dem)

so a gain for Lib Dems there

Perry Vale and Evelyn both return 3 Labour councillors.

Jo said...

Looks like 3 Labour in Lewisham Central. Max Calo in 4th I think, but result not announced yet. Disappointing...

mintness said...

And the Lewisham website now has the results up.... for Bellingham and Sydenham. Hi-techorama!

J said...

Lewisham Central announced as 3 Labour, one got over 3,000 votes! Max Calo 4th but well behind on 1844 votes.

Now Then said...

Has anyone got the names of our new councillors in Ladywell? mabye someone has been introduced to one at a party/ knows their relatives/ or facebook page....anything. All information will be dealt with in confidence.

Jo said...

Finger slipped off the 'o' there.

Glad Brockley Kate is out there to keep count.

mintness said...

Thanks Jo. Very disappointing indeed, but I suppose it's a comfort (sort of) that it wasn't close in the end.

Anonymous said...

Brockley and Ladywell just became a little bit less special with the loss of 5 Green councillors.

Anonymous said...

Don't people remember that Lewisham has almost been an elected dictatorship for Labour for years???

Jo said...

Lee Green result:
Pauline Beck (Lib Dem)
Sven Griesenbeck (Lib Dem)
Jim Mallory (Lab)

Jo said...

Telegraph Hill has gone 3 Labour:
Paul Bell - 2861
Joan Millbank - 2735
Dan Whittle - 2235

Ian Page got 1362, Chris Flood 1216

Anonymous said...

did the Trotskyite's in Telegraph Hill get back in?

Anonymous said...

ha ha a certain new Labour councillor in Telegraph Hill was once a Tory.

Jo said...

Catford South, 3 Labour again
Skip Amrani - 2703
Alan Smith - 2722
Eva Stamirowski - 1885

Anonymous said...

Back to the old Labour dictatorship of Lewisham it is then...

mintness said...

Still refreshing here but likely to lapse into unconsciousness in the near future, so I'll take this opportunity to say thanks again to all concerned for the updates tonight!

Sevenoakser said...

Crikey, another all-night service from Brockley Central. Thank you for such amazing coverage. And get some sleep!

Jo said...

I think there are 4 results still to be announced:
Blackheath
Rushey Green
Grove Park
Downham

Ladywell just confirmed as Labour

Jo said...

Blackheath:
Kevin Bonavia (Lab)
Amanda De Ryk (Lib Dem)
Chris Maines (Lib Dem)

Getting a bit rowdy so Nick having trouble hearing exact numbers of votes.

Jo said...

Can't believe a count which started at 4pm had still not declared all results at 3am!

Downham results - 3 Lib Dems re-elected
Rushey Green - 3 Labour re-elected

Announced just as we had decided to give up and come home, so posting those from home now.

Didn't get the Grove Park result - but its not going to make much difference to the overall picture.

Tamsin said...

Triple dammn!

Yes, blow the expense. Let's have the local elections on a separate day when at least it will be the thinking donkeys that vote for the hay-vendors that they actually know.

The Cat Man said...

I'm very unhappy - we've lost some very good councillors in both the greens and the socialists, all we have now us canon fodder, this is a sad day for democracy.

Democritus said...

A sad day for democracy? The bods with the most support won. That IS democracy you muppet. If your going to use a cliche at least choose an appropriate one.

Anonymous said...

Gutted that we lost our hard working councillers in Ladywell. Who are these new ones and where did they come from?

Tressilliana said...

All results now on Lewisham website.

http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/CouncilAndDemocracy/DemocracyAndElections/

I'm very sorry indeed to see Ladywell and Brockley wards reverting to Labour - glad at least Darren Johnson retains his seat. As for Steve Bullock being elected for a third time as Mayor and Lewisham Council returning to Labour control.... not happy about that at all. And unlike the general election result we're stuck with those outcomes for years to come.

Anonymous said...

Over the past 10 years Labour have had an extremely poor record in Lewisham Central of councillors not attending council meetings or holding surgeries.

I don't think they even turned up to local assembly meetings, yet the electorate voted for a party that has provided councillors who took the money and ran. Ho hum.

Tom said...

Great news. The Labour Party campaigned hard and didn't have to rely on huge numbers of volunteers from all over London like the Greens and Socialist Party. The people of Lewisham have spoken and I hope there isn't too much sour grapes about the workings of democracy. Well done to all the Labour Party activists and elected councillors. And thanks Jo for posting these results!

Anonymous said...

Is there a break down of postal votes or how many there were?

Tressilliana said...

The Labour Party worked hard to get this council result? I'm sorry, I find that hard to believe for our ward. Nobody canvassed us and we had very little election literature. I looked at the names of our new councillors for Ladywell Ward just now and didn't recognise one of them.

Anonymous said...

Phew glad thats all over.

Anonymous said...

Tom I've been an independent observer of events in Lewisham between 2002 and 2006, when the elected Mayor and the vast majority of councillors were of the same party.

Democratic accountability was shown the door, where certain councillors closed down debate on 'technicalities', where councillors strongly opposed to Mayoral decisions sat in chamber and said nought.

Councillors who refused to present the views of constituents to the Mayor at council.

The boffins behind the elected Mayor system state it reduces the influence of the party system and gives councillors freedom to express their opinion.

Yet when the Mayor was making controversial decisions, councillors of his party chose to say nothing.

I hope the new intake of councillors reject the old ways and embrace an open and transparent council rather than the 'locked down' system some old warhorses prefer.

Pete said...

I'm gutted that Sue and Ute didn't get re-elected in Ladywell. They've both been really committed and in my opinion deserved to be voted back in. I suppose as others have said they've been victims of the high turnout and party voting generated by the general election.

Tressilliana said...

Great post, Anon 9.49, but I'm not holding my breath for any radical change from the new councillors, I'm afraid. An ambitious Labour councillor is surely going to think twice before criticising the Mayor and cabinet - our Green councillors didn't have those career considerations conflicting with what was in the ward's best interests.

The Cat Man said...

I doubt it - the labour party thrives on central buearucratic control - all this has done has allowed the mayor etc all to push through more labourite policy without debate or re-thought because that is not what they are about. They are not liberal and in certainly at least some of the cases not particularly well educated or versed with the idea that after some consultation that 'maybe they are wrong'.

As for our lovely georgian/victorian gems in the area, say goodbye to even more of our heritage buildings. The labour party is the party of plastic fabricated huts - cheap, looks nice, but without any substance.

Tressilliana said...

Comments coming and going again, I see.

I've just looked up the Lewisham Labour Party website to see if I can find out more about our new councillors. The names given there as members of the Ladywell Action Team are Roy Kennedy, Tim Shand and Monique Howell. I assumed these would be the candidates. No information about any of them given as far as I could see.

http://www.lewishamlabour.co.uk/ladywell.html

I then looked at the results and to my surprise I find that the councillors elected are:

•Vincent Davis (Labour)
•Helen Gibson (Labour)
•Tim Shand (Labour)

To add to my confusion, we have just chucked out our stock of leaflets and I found to my surprise that all the Labour leaflets we had received assumed we were in Brockley ward. That's a pretty fundamental mistake and accounts for why the names of the people voted in were completely unfamiliar to me. Not a good start.

Anonymous said...

Catman, having been educated in portacabins during the thatcherite era and saw our playing fields sold off I'm not really sure what you're on about.

Poor planning is not linked to a political ideology - it's linked to incompetence.

Donkey said...

Democracy it seems is fine.....as long as the wrong sort of person does turn up to vote.

I simply don't buy this argument that everyone who voted Labour is a 'Donkey' and that everyone who votes Green is some super informed sage who has in great detail examined the issues locally and soberly come to a judgement on what is best for the whole community. I didn't vote Labour, but I have a quiet respect for their voters. They vote when it matters, and they know who they are, and what is in their interests.

Still I have to admit all those annoying Green leaflets were sort of right when they said only the Greens can beat Labour here. (Yeah beat them to a third seat in a single ward.) Bye bye Mung Beans!!!

Donkey said...

Democracy it seems is fine.....as long as the wrong sort of person does NOT turn up to vote.

I simply don't buy this argument that everyone who voted Labour is a 'Donkey' and that everyone who votes Green is some super informed sage who has in great detail examined the issues locally and soberly come to a judgement on what is best for the whole community. I didn't vote Labour, but I have a quiet respect for their voters. They vote when it matters, and they know who they are, and what is in their interests.

Still I have to admit all those annoying Green leaflets were sort of right when they said only the Greens can beat Labour here. (Yeah beat them to a third seat in a single ward.) Bye bye Mung Beans!!!

Nick Ingham said...

Glad we came home when we did.

As we left, I overheard one Conservative describing the Grove Park result as "too close to call" and wake up to find that there is indeed a recount.

If Labour do win all 3 seats in Grove Park it will be the first time there have been no Conservative councillors since the council was created in 1964.

Curiouser and curiouser ...

Tamsin said...

OMG Tressiliana - that is classic. And one would laugh if the fact we are now stuck with such a party machine for four years does not make one weep.

In Telegraph Hill we have lost our hard-working, locally oriented socialists. And so the chance of having someone stand up and make a nuisance of themselves that we have had for well more than a decade. (The ideal is one or two on the outside of the party machine and one or two on the inside which we have had since the mid 1990s. With a brief four years when all the Councillors were out in the cold which was not so good for the ward.)

However Joan Millbank is a long-standing activist locally, involved in the community as a governor of Crossways and mucks in in the Festival. And I at least recognised the other names. Paul Bell has been active with the TRA on the Honor Oak Estate and Dan Whittle delivered programmes for the Festival last February.

Anonymous said...

Very sorry to lose Sue and Ute - I dare say they'll be back in at the next local elections though!

What a bizarre set of results nationally. At least the Tories didn't get over the line.

Tamsin said...

Sorry if what I said in the heat of my disappointment about Ian Page and Chris Flood - whose pure socialist ideals I admire but do not see as in any way practical - by nature I am a pragmatic mix of Lib Dem. and conservative (with a small "c")- was inappropriate. But, Donkey, if people who turned out for the Lewisham Deptford constituency and returned Joan Ruddock with an increased majority were voting for their inner-City, working class, labour left-wing principles, why did the Socialists in Telegraph Hill - much closer to those principles - get equally trounced with the Greens in Brockley and Ladywell.

It seems clear that people were simply voting for the party label. Which is very sad.

Is it the case that way, way back when - I think before I could actually vote - people were just given the names of the Candidates on the ballot paper? I think I remember my parents talking about it. And so, when they came in to vote, they did actually have to have read or looked at the pre-election literature.

Anonymous said...

No doubt along with everybody else in Telegraph Hill, I receive lots of information and/or visits from Labour, the socialists and greens. The number of socialists out on the day was huge and a smaller number of Labour and green activists were also about. However, it was a Labour landslide. Lots of posts here are complaining - but the electorate were informed. It is frankly quite insulting to suggest that voters choosing Labour were stupid or not thinking. We've all heard this before and too often it's a
mixture of sour grapes and a condescending attitude toward lower income voters who look to Labour.

TJ said...

I can imagine the Planning Department are rubbing their hands together in glee. Now contentious decisions will be decide on by a group of labour councillors, reporting in to a labour mayor.

Thank god Broc Soc look like they have more teeth now and are ready for the battles ahead.

maxink said...

Thanks for all that have been supporting, unfortunately we're back at square one with an Executive Mayor in control of an absolute majority.

We tried...

Rob Blackie said...

John Bowen and the Lib Dem team worked incredibly hard in Crofton Park - so it's a pity that we didn't get all three elected.

However I'm consoling myself that Crofton Park is the only ward in London where the Liberal Democrats won a new seat from Labour - reflecting the desire that local residents had for a change.

If anyone would like to join Lewisham Lib Dems for a celebratory drink we'll be in Jam Circus at 2pm.

Anonymous said...

This is SO effing depressing. We've lost the best set of local councillors I've EVER had - and I've lived in a few places! I can't believe this. Who are these people? I hope they stick their heads over the parapet and make themselves known locally, asap.

Brockley Central should really do some interviews with them to find out what their priorities are going to be and so on.

Bigot said...

Labour up all over London.


It's the immigrunts wot won it?

mintness said...

"And unlike the general election result we're stuck with those outcomes for years to come."

Having grown up in Newcastle with a one-third rotation system, I do find this business of electing the whole council once every four years rather odd. If anything, surely the hands-on nature of local politics means it should be a place where dissatisfaction and the desire for change can be expressed on a more regular basis.

Jim Connell said...

Rob Blackie said: "John Bowen and the Lib Dem team worked incredibly hard in Crofton Park..." so presumably He was too tired to bother to turn up to the count last night to see your only Lib Dem gain in London?
Seems a bit of an insult to Crofton Park electors and all the other candidates who also worked hard and managed to make it.

Anonymous said...

@ Catman "lovely georgian/victorian gems" Yeah they'll definitely all be bull boozed by the bolsheviks in Catford Torwn Hall. Take a chill pill pleassssseee, if we protected what you call "heritage", and what I call standing hardcore any more in this country, we wouldn;t be allowed to fart near it. And where are these georgian gems you speak of? A handful of Toff Villas in Blackheath?

Tamsin said...

The one third rotation system sounds interesting? How does it work. By the sound of it it makes sense, giving an element of continuity. Nearly everywhere in Lewisham it is the same old same old - but in this area we've got totally new Councillors to bring up to speed on local issues.

@ Anon. 11.35 If people voting on the basis of thought and principle and information received why were the greens and Socialists equally trounced? And the fact that they were all existing councillors active in Ward Assemblies and holding regular surgeries seemed to count for nothing. It has to be a case of just ticking (or in this case crossing) the party box. And receiving leaflets does not mean that they are read. Only the undecided persue the literature (or the virtual hustings on this blog).

Anonymous said...

Oh I'm soooo angry! The candidates I voted for didn't get elected! How dare those other candidates get elected???

Anonymous said...

This result is so depressing, Steve Bullock gave all the impression of being in Brockley on sufference at the hustings at St Peters, he made no effort to justify his tenure or to offer anything new. Labour just dabbles with local democracy and still has this one size fits all approach to services. Whilst a hung national gov't might not be so smart a hung Lewisham might have injected some fresh energy into the place - and their officers.

mintness said...

Tamsin - it works on a four-year cycle, basically, with one-third of the councillors up for election each time (and one year off). So each councillor is still elected for a four-year term, but their work, or that of their colleagues and their parties at least, can effectively be judged every year.

And obviously it also has the effect of allowing quicker "rectification" of high turnout-driven events like last night's Green/Socialist wipeout, if that's the way one chooses to look at things...

Anonymous said...

Seems theres not as many Conservatives in Brockley as we thought.

Anonymous said...

With the Greens and LDs losing so many cllrs in Lewisham, I'm curious as to why the LDs bucked the trend in Crofton Park? Demographic changes?

Tamsin said...

@ Anon 12.34 (who appears to be totally blinkered literally and metaphorically by prejudice and a chip on the shoulder)
" And where are these georgian gems you speak of? A handful of Toff Villas in Blackheath?"
Um, actually all the ordinary terraces in the conservation areas (why they are conservation areas) except where flattened by the Luftwaffe. Two thirds of these (in the Telegraph Hill area at least) are now converted into flats and a signficant number are local authority or housing association owned. Hardly "toff villas". These are not, admittedly, at risk of being bull-dozed but they are subject to the steady atrition of garden/green space infill, and conversion, or re-conversion, to inappropriately dense housing units. What drives this is not social housing need but out-of-area developers (who maybe do live in toff villas in Blackheath) wanting to make money. The (New-)Labour Council pragmatically tends to roll over and let this happen. Only the mavericks - green and socialist and (sometimes) Lib Dem - who knew they had no chance of jockeying themselves into the Inner Cabinet and real power - would sometimes stand out against it. Those chances are now reduced and it is regrettable.

Other Victorian/Georgian gems are the Georgian cottages that run down Friendly Street and the fascinating Arts & Crafts terrace beside the ARthouse.

And the Arthouse itself - an ex-Carnegie Library with fantastically beautiful and valuable interior features that the Labour Council tried to sell to the highest bidder (despite local amenity groups wanting to keep it in public use). Unfortunately they totally screwed up the sale and the place was trashed internally in the meantime so, when the ARthouse Collective finally were allowed to acquire it, it was literally a shell.

With Labour in overall control and those who are more likely to be career politicians as Ward councillors (I may wrong them - I hope I do) one can, I fear, but again hope I am wrong, only expect more of the same.

Nux said...

Just wanted to say a MASSIVE thank you to all at BC for your fantastic coverage, from the hustings onwards, for these elections. You have been immensely dedicated and have helped me to be the most informed and most interested that I have ever been when casting my vote for local councils. I actually felt engaged in the process. We Brockleyites are SO lucky to have a blog like this.

Brockley Central, I salute you! Hurrah!

Anonymous said...

Why are career politicians so hated? Surely by definition a career is the course and progression of a particular job. So if someone chooses to dedicate their lives to just politics as a main source of income, why is that necessarily bad? Surely people want a lasting politician, one with political acumen, experience and understanding of local issues (from that long career spent only in politics)? The argument that proposes career politician might be too soft to 'rock the boat' in fear of losing votes and hence job... Well the point of democracy is too appeal to the majority anyway! 'Populist' is just a term used by the cynical minority who did not vote the same way as the rest. Undertandably so, however. Finally, would anyone care about career doctors, career teachers, career fireman? - ooh, people who dedicate their lives to healing people, teaching children, putting out fires - yeah, what a load of w*nkers...

maxink said...

The problem is not with career, it's careerism - not those worried to upset the electorate, those worried to upset their masters that sponsor them in the safe seats.
Make the right noises, take the right picture, be harmless and go ahead in plitics.
Goons and yes-men. Plenty of them.

Tressilliana said...

Well put, Max, that's what I meant. Commiserations, by the way.

maxink said...

Thanks Tressiliana, I'm chirpy as a bird by he way, and relieved that I'm a free man and can again call a spade a spade.

Anonymous said...

End party whips, end careerism

Anonymous said...

Donkey 11:06 'Bye Bye Mungbeans' you say.
I will ignore the pathetic immaturity of that comment. How long have you lived here? Surely you realise that the last 4 years were a balanced council in Lewisham.
It was the Greens amongst others (The Socialists and the LibDems as well as the odd Tory) that helped give real debate in the council.
Prior to 2006 Labour held the council for about 40 years. Is that healthy?
Enough of these pathetic mung bean comments.

Sparrow said...

Yes, I'm not a Green, but the mung bean joke has had its day, now, thank you.

Jo said...

James Cleverly has just tweeted that Grove Park ward is now on third recount.

maxink said...

Hold it, I have the ultimate green joke, with apologies to all green friends but this is too funny and it's real life.

About ten days ago I was canvassing and this girl opens the door, as I start introducing myself she stops me and says that she's a green candidate for "South Catford", at that point I correct her telling her that the name of the ward she's running for is "Catford South".

Looking a bit embarrassed she explains "sorry, I'm so jet-legged!"

Anonymous said...

maxink:

sorry you didn't get elected even though I'm Green.

us Greens are allowed to travel by plane occasionally you know...

maxink said...

Thanks, I know you can fly occasionally (assuming you offset), even Monbiot flies, and he supported the Lib Dems this time.
I just fount it so perfectly ungreen, but I kept it for myself until after elections.

Monkeyboy said...

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name said...

The electorate has spoken. The level of bitterness is uncalled for. The Greens may seem to have done a lot for the interests of those that post on this blog. Some people what different things from their councillors. Accept that Labour was duly elected and get on with things.

Labour Supporter said...

People aren't bitter they are disappointed - and it is easy to understand why - nobody can deny that a) the current councillors worked hard on a lot of non-party tpe issues and b) that it is alwas healthy to have an active opposition in any council to curb excess.

Tamsin said...

@ Name So why not (in Telegraph Hill ward) vote for the Socialists - red not pink - who would try give it to them?

@ Labour supporter Thanks, such an admirable summary that I have nothing else to say and will shut up and see if Sainsbury's have some preserving sugar. (I am finally turning the accumulations of increasingly dessicated citrus fruit hanging around my kitchen into marmalade.)

Anonymous said...

@ Tamsin. We probably don't agree on the meaning of Georgian. I take it to mean the period from the early eighteenth to early nineteenth centuries, when Georges 1 to 4 were on the throne. You seem to think its an era that covers any time when there was anyone called George living in England. Note I did not mention victorian (we have lots of late victorian barrett executive homes, I admit, nice on the outside but mostly creaking energy sponges on the inside).

Reaching for my Pevsner,(you drove me to it) I find the street in Deptford, at the bottom of Tanners Hill you refer to, to be as I suspected late C17th. I was forgetting St Paul's on Deptford High Street, which is early Georgian (and horrible in my opinion.) Otherwise the only significant Georgian buildings in the borough are in Blackheath,ie the Paragon. I know that the English disease is the fetishisation of old buildings. But lets not get carried away. Architecturally this place is only notable for churches (like everywhere else) and as Pevsner says, 'the lesser victorian suburban house'. Georgian gems there are few.

Nick Ingham said...

Just been doing some number crunching comparing the total number of votes cast for council candidates in the wards that make up the Lewisham Deptford Constituency (i.e. New Cross, Evelyn, Telegraph Hill, Brockley, Ladywell, Crofton Park and Lewisham Central) and comparing them with the Parliamentary vote.

According to the BBC, the general election result was

Labour 53.70%
Liberal Democrats 23.40%
Conservative 13.50%
Green 6.70%
Socialist Alternative 1.60%
Christian Alliance 1.10%
Independent 0.00%
LPBP 0.00%

According to my calculations (using figures from Lewisham Council website) the results for the wards comes out at

Labour 43.92%
Liberal Democrats 20.53%
Green 17.13%
Conservative 11.69%
LPBP 3.54%
Socialist Alternative 2.93%
Independent 0.25%
Christian Alliance 0.00%

The percentages for LPBP and Socialists understate their support as they did not have three candidates in all wards.

Whilst I stand by my original comment that "the makeup of the new council may reflect national voting trends more than being a referendum on the performance of our local Mayor and councillors" it is still interesting to see how much better the greens and socialists polled locally compared to the national result.

Donkey said...

@ Anon 14.27 People care about the career politician i think, because it implies a disconnect between the person and the lives of the people that they represent. This disconnect is probably one of the reasons people detest politicians.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting stats, thanks Nick!

Also makes the interesting point that Labour managed to get a massive majority of councillors despite winning less than 50% of the popular vote in the council elections (or at least, those on this side of the borough).

Donkey said...

@ Sparrow. Re the Mung Beans. Good to know it's getting to you. I on the contrary am still very much enjoying the term MUNG BEAN. Not as much obviously as seeing the Mung Bean's recent electoral spanking, but almost as much. Perhaps you are proposing the censorship of Counter Mung-Beanian speech, or the new offence of Mung Bean denial. The term is just too delicious, unlike the actual beans. If I were a mung bean I would adopt the label with pride. Who knows a century from now the general election could be a close race between the Tories and the Mungs.

Nick Ingham said...

@anon 17:49

A good point as in these 7 wards the end result in terms of councillors elected is

Labour 19 (90.48%)
LibDem 1 (4.76%)
Green 1 (4.76%)

Stalin's great great grand nephew, said...

Communism anyone? Democracy's overated and inherently fraught with problems. Why subject a minority to the whims of a majority. Instead, get a benevolent dictator and give the state complete control! Bliss. All thoughts and actions no longer needed at an individual level. No decadent free press or speech - wasted self-interest moanings all of it. Mass redistribution of everything - most of all socks. Destroy the meaning of money. Value as set by state not markets. Collaborate or banishment. No competition. No half-assed elections with its innate failings - mere futile gesture of a dying political ideology. Kill all dissidence. Kill God. Whose with me? Anyone? Please?

Brockley Kate said...

While Lewisham's electorate considers whether to rise up in revolt against democracy, here's a joyful little snippet: Tom Royal has created a shiny new graph for Simon Nundy (Conservative mayoral candidate, whose use of figures was called into question during the campaign):

http://www.tomroyal.com/index.php/2010/05/08/election-graphs-revisited/

Fizzy said...

Mondeo Man famously thought about his wallet when Mrs T was voted in. Perhaps the sea of Red in Lewisham reflects the same sentiment.

Anonymous said...

"I simply don't buy this argument that everyone who voted Labour is a 'Donkey' and that everyone who votes Green is some super informed sage who has in great detail examined the issues locally and soberly come to a judgement on what is best for the whole community. I didn't vote Labour, but I have a quiet respect for their voters. They vote when it matters, and they know who they are, and what is in their interests."

That needs to be embossed on brass and nailed to every entrance into Brockley. Far too much airy-fairy politics has ruled the area for too long and I'm glad to see the back of it. The deli-green culture that permeates Brockley is disgusting...

Anonymous said...

Oh I don't know, this this blog and brockley has fried chicken, kebabs, deli's, casual racism, snobery, god
botherers, atheists, greens, anarchists, conservationists, modernists, tory's, lawyers, artists, mail readers, students, postmen, gastro pubs, music pubs, smelly pubs, pubs that are now flats, pubs that are just pubs and cretinius numbnuts like you who think there is such a thing as 'typical'

Donkey said...

I've reconsidered some of my earlier posts. On adult reflection I have been puerile and somewhat immature. Using good ol' cockney rhyming slang to describe the Greens as Mung Beans, I see now, is denigrating people because of their flatulence inducing dietary habits.

But what to call them instead. A moniker that still reflects my culture as a Londoner, nods at the dietary aspect without overplaying it, and takes into account recent political developments. Hmmmm.....
Tough one.
(Eureka moment)
I've got it.

Has Beans!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Brilliant, your like Cat Man's funny brother.

Donkey said...

Anon @ 20:39 You over egg the pub aspect I would suggest - that bit to the north of Lewisham Way is actually called Deptford, and they have the kickin' pubs. And Snobbery has two b's. (I only tell you this to stop your social superiors from having another reason to laugh at you)

Anonymous said...

"name said..." - you aren't one of the New Labour councillors - part of the new Lewisham new Labour dictatorship are you?

Anonymous said...

I worked out who Donkey is...that's it...he must be...well perhaps...Sir Steve Bullock...gloating and makling up silly immature names for his opponents???

Anonymous said...

Ot are Donkey and Monkey the same person...

Anonymous said...

Anon 20:31 did you vote BNP?

Donkey said...

Silly and immature...? Whoooooo! Sorry teacher.

And by the way it is an honour to be compared to that great man. You probably have never thought about this before. But do you realise, before that man came to power, this borough didn't have a Matalan. That man, that titan, sweated blood to get the people of Lewisham access to crap brand synthetic fibre sports wear at knock down prices. And you.. you.. 'anonymous'... you little..literal... no-one, use his name as an implied insult. If you had looked recently into his care worn face, into his eyes, (compassionate yet steely) you would know the meaning of the word...caring.

Steve Bullock.. Steve Bullock.. Steve Bullock... Steve Bullock...say it soft and its almost like praying, say and it loud, and there's music playing.

Anonymous said...

Must be a nightmare typing with a straitjacket on.

Anonymous said...

Well smartarse kunt is spelt with a 'c' but I think people got the point.

Donkey said...

Anon 22.18 Sorry. A point winning return of serve. Love fifteen.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry, that was a high point. I'll now collpase like a British tennis player at a Wimbledon quater final.

If Clegg and Cameron can have a bromance surley there is hope on Brockley Central.

Anonymous said...

Tennis analogies... Get a room! What is this, a brockley dating website? I'm 31, lookin for a tall, dark and handsome man to help raise my kids and friendship. Must be into foreign films.

Brockley Revolutionary said...

With election fever over, the nation now recovered or dead, does anybody else feel underwhelmed with the sense of paralytic apathy with the whole darn caboodle? I feel like there should be something loud, hollywood and with lots of flash to signify the end. Not some undemocratic behind the scenes, backroom political manoeuverings. If they do end up conspiring to form some sort of unwanted and unvoted for unholy alliance, I'm going to form a new wing of the Greens - the militant mungs. I suppose if you mix yellow and blue, green results. That's wishful thinking even in metaphore. Anyway, pitchforks at the ready with shop windows quaking in fear let the flower revolution commence! Cuba was taken in 3 years. So gardening implements and scary looking vegetables at the ready, all the while wearing socks in sandals, london could be ours in no time at all. Borris beware, your floppy-haired days of mass corruption are upon you. (N.B. The author of these comments is in no way affiliated with the Green party and/or its subsidiaries.)

The Cat Man said...

What's a bromance?

Yes, come on guys - let us have group therapy, a few hugs here and there, mung tea and a few pagan sacrifces - it would do us the world of good.

btw: I hate labour, much prefer the tiff toffs

Anonymous said...

What's a tiff toff? I hope you're not being racist.

Donkey said...

A bromance is what used to be called a male friendship. If you have ever seen the sitcom 'Scrubs', you'll get the idea. It's all part of the very healthy, in my view, feminisation of the society we live in.

Now tell me, what is
a) 'mung tea'
and
b) the 'tiff toffs'?

Donkey said...

@ Brockley Revolutionary. I feel and in many ways, share your pain.

bob said...

I want to add my thanks to Sue and the other great Green councillors and to Ian Page and Chris Flood. I am also dissappointed that Max Calo, Jess Leech and Jim Jepps were not elected.

Although I voted Labour in the general election, I think it is bad for the borough that Labour consolidated their hold.

On the question above, as to why the LDs bucked the trend in Crofton Park, any thoughts? Gentrification may be one factor - the dying off the older working class people and the extension of more middle class homeowners into an area previously seen as a bit too suburban? I don't think Lib Dems fought a stronger campaign in CP than in other parts of the borough and certainly had far stronger candidates (e.g. Max) in other wards.

Sparrow said...

@ Donkey. cor blimey I think you need a calming cup of herbal tea, in fact I think you need an afternoon of pampering with alternative therapies, followed by a video information evening on global warming. You'd really enjoy that wouldn't you. And afterwards you get a complimentary bag of mung beans.

Donkey said...

@ Sparrow. That sounds to me like a typical day at Mung Bean Guantanamo. Though I am partial to peppermint tea, and don't doubt CO2 is having an effect on the climate, so maybe even I have an inner Mung.

love detective said...

you know the one thing more tedious than green holier than thou-ism is shit anti greenism 'humour' - if you want to attack the green's at least attach onto something of substance to do it from, it's not like there's not much choice in that area

Charlotte Dingle said...

I was really, really looking forward to being a councillor in Ladywell, and I'm heartbroken that we lost (it was painfully close) but hey, roll on 2014... :) The Greens will be back, I'm quite sure of it.

name said...

@ Name So why not (in Telegraph Hill ward) vote for the Socialists -

I'll answer that by quoting the sage Tony Benn

"The Labour party has never been a socialist party, although there have always been socialists in it - a bit like Christians in the Church of England."

Anonymous said...

@ love detective.

Superb backhanded compliment!

Green's have never been holier-than-thou, in my experience. They've never preached on soapboxes in a hyde park corner fashion. Their policies have strong foundations in common sense socialist principles. Haven't a clue why support hasn't grown locally here as they have in Brighton Pavillion. I assume we're all too conserved in our political dogmas to pull out our heads and smell the odours of change. Who can blame us, so long as bins get emptied on time...

Donkey said...

@ Love Detective. I apologise for my lack of substance. My feeling for substance has been compromised I suppose by several years of exposure to Mung Bean leaflets, with their nonsense uncosted promises and bad alliteration.

Btw that there are shift keys at both sides of the keyboard that can be used to produce capital letters. Try it sometime.

Donkey said...

@ Anon. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Surprise, surprise, the good people of Lewisham don't think voluntary immiseration and de-industrialisation is a vote winner. When they can be bothered to come to the polls - ordinary decent hard working people are usually too busy - they tell you this in no uncertain terms.

Now Then said...

The O.D.H.W.P's too busy to come out for an hour once every 4 years! And they'll tell you that as well! Things are graver than we could have imagined

Now Then said...

The O.D.H.W.P's too busy to come out for an hour once every 4 years! And they'll tell you that as well! Things are graver than we could have imagined

Anonymous said...

They show up for important elections like the one we've just had, but local and Euros are really only for the anoraks, of which I of course am one. But I take my hat off to my fellow citizens who ignore them.

Tamsin said...

@ Anon Sat. 17.32 - sorry - hadn't noticed that you had dropped the "Victorian" from your comment. And quite a lot of what I cheerfully categorise as Georgian from the look of it is probably Victorian - you forget just how young she was and how early in the century she came to the throne.
But even the Victorian Barrat homes (nice concept) in the conservation areas - where they have not been messed around too much are lovely inside. If you are lucky (which we are not) painted/transfer interior glazing and tiling on the hall floor. Also mantlepieces and panelled doors. If you don't like such features go elsewhere. Please don't advocate bull-dozing them for the hard-core or welcome a planning regime that will give way to developer pressure for inappropriate conversion and garden infill.

Anonymous said...

I propose we bulldoze everything. Grow lots of trees and live in them. As an interim, whilst waiting for said trees to grow, we should all relocate to Hoxton. Our tube's reet t'rrific! Ta

Tressilliana said...

Ladywell Ward: thanks to Google, I've found out that one of our new councillors, Tim Shand, was presumably unable to canvass locally because he was standing for election as MP for Guildford (didn't get elected). Previously stood as a Green candidate in Glasgow.

Now Then said...

Thanks for the low down Tressilliana, given time we might find out something about the others. Doesnt Red plus Green give Brown?

RobinSE4 said...

I have to say, I do find some of these posts both insulting and patronising.

Last week's results were down to a large turnout of voters. Yes, Sue Luxton was a very good councillor but in 2006, she was only elected on approx 1/3 of the vote. On Thursday, something like 2/3 of voters in Ladywell and Brockley cast their ballots and their decision was clear - Labour has a mandate to represent our two wards and we should wish them the best of luck.

But the idea that those who voted Labour (as I did) were not as well engaged or informed as those who voted for someone else is frankly patronising.

maxink said...

Evidently you've never been out canvassing.

Now Then said...

Ok, did anyone else living in Ladywell ward get a leaflet through from the prospective Labour councillors? I know we didnt but maybe thats a one off.

Tressilliana said...

There's a Helen Gibson who's been very active in Labour student politics - might she be our new Ladywell councillor?

There's also a Helen Gibson (not the same one, I think) whose father was MP for Norwich.

Now Then said...

@Robin SE4, as you've informed yourself, perhaps you could tell us a bit about our new councillors. I dont mean that in any sort of insulting fashion; there is a genuine desire to know.

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