ELL is other people

Anyone worried what will happen to Brockley Central's unique form of local boosterism now the tube's up and running - don't fret.

From today, we can start counting down to the Highbury and Islington extension in 2011 and the 2012 extension to Clapham Junction.

Then of course there's the debate over what to call the trains - check out the new poll coming soon.

And the RMT are determined not to let it lie - they staged a protest against the new line today in Whitechapel.

Finally, we anticipate a slew of East London Line destination reviews in the coming weeks, starting with the Londonist's pub crawl via The Orchard.

Much done. Much still to do.

28 comments:

Headhunter said...

Are we going to be linked to H&I in 2011? I thought it was 2012 as with Clapham Junc...

Anonymous said...

NOPE, MAY 2011.

Brockley Kate said...

Interesting point in that RMT article that the DfT insisted that TFL couldn't run the line. I'd been wondering why it couldn't be better integrated into existing TFL tube services (as the ELL was), instead of having this semi-autonomous 'Overground' identity. Now I know ...

Anonymous said...

What are the reasons for TFL not being considered to run the line?

Apart from their staff always going on strike of course...

Brockley Kate said...

You'd have to ask the DfT, innit. Seems crazy to me. We want to be able to call it a Tube line, dammit!

Tommo said...

TfL manage the line but the London Overground train operations are put out to tender in a franchise system - the same way as any other National Rail route. The company operating the system is called LOROL (London Overground Rail Operations Limited - a consortium of MTR Hong Kong Railways and Deutsche Bahn).

This is in effect the same situation as exists on the DLR where the services are operated by Serco on a franchise agreement from TfL.

Anonymous said...

Aaagh, I know this has probably been done to death here in the past, but not 'the tube' or 'the underground'.

It's part of the national-rail network (albeit a concession rather than a franchise) so Overground it is.

Southern trains and Overground trains. A clear and accurate distinction :)

Brockley Nick said...

The new staff certainly seem to be going out of their way to show how different they are to the rest of the network. It's a bit like going to Disney World, with people smiling at you and welcoming you all the time. Plus, I too have been (politely) told off for stepping over the yellow line. We'll see how long that culture lasts, but god bless em for trying.

Mb said...

I think it was actually ken's idea, he certainly supported it. A little odd. Don't think is as bad as the NR model. TfL retain far more control. I think most would agree, from a passengers point of view, that the DLR runs smoothly?

Anonymous said...

I was telling an Aussue guy at my work about the new ELL and he was saying his local Overground railway (Imperial Wharf) is rubbish with only one train every half hour or something. Hopefully the ELL doesnt get tarnished with the same crappy badge that other Overground services seem to have as it offers a service more akind to the tube network.

Headhunter said...

Kate and Nick - How very dare you! I'm mortally wounded... What do you take me for?

Headhunter said...

Oops, that was supposed to be on the surveillance thread...

Brockley Nick said...

Yep HH, I reckon you answered your own question there... ;)

Mb said...

£683m cuts at the DfT. Goodbye surrey canal rd which was waiting for a £7m bung. I think phase 2 and the H&I link are safe, they've gone too far.

david said...

overground, underground wombling free ...

I still call it a tube and I still call it the ELL when giving directions. People seem to work it out.

Anonymous said...

change at canada water - go south on any train that doesn't terminate at New Cross.

Anonymous said...

So I guess a certain local councillor is opposed to Orang-a-train and is boycotting the service.

Anonymous said...

Nick, you really are such a hero. You are relentlessly positive, unfailingly polite in the face of extreme Ludditery and very witty. It is a pleasure to read you postings.

Brockley Nick said...

I like you, Anonymous. Thanks :)

Headhunter said...

Nick - Come on. Admit it. You wrote that comment.

Anonymous said...

Look at the map on the train. It's clearly marked "Tube map", hence it's a "tube".

Anonymous said...

If it is on the tube map, then Brockley will come into existance for all those Prarie Dogs for whom said map defines the limits of their known world.

Brockley Nick said...

Hh, if I'd written it I would have also said I looked like I'd lost weight.

Anonymous said...

You just have.

Chris said...

It is not an underground line, therefore it is not the 'tube' - simple. In effect, its oeprated the same way as Southern, SWT, Virgin West Coast and indeed the rest of the Overground network except that TfL own some of the ELL infrastructure.

With regards to what to call the line, East London Line is fine - the DC Lines, West London Line, North London Line and South London Line are still commonly known by those descriptions a long time after they ceased being used 'officially'.

Monkeyboy said...

Well the "Tube" was a nickname that londoners
chose to give the disperate lines and companies
that made up the service. It's since been adopted by The Man. The definition belongs to us, the plebs, we create
our own reality! No surrender! Long live the new
tube!!...... Still like the Jaffa line though

Anonymous said...

Yes. And the "underground" is the name they gave to the same network that spends more time above ground (without taking anything Network Rail or East London into account).

The damage has been done and the new line doesn't change that.

Anonymous said...

Shall we just call it Keith?

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