People's Republic of Brockley

The new coalition in Whitehall is planning to introduce the right for local people to hold referenda on issues of their choice. It's been suggested that the main issues this could cover are council tax, and housing and planning proposals. But what would the voters of Brockley choose to hold a Lewisham-wide referendum on?
Suggestions in the comments please ... you never know, if we can come up with a really good one, BC might petition the council for it, once the new powers are introduced.

52 comments:

Mb said...

Coulgate st pedestrianisation..... See below. Failing that some pointless piece of expensive public art, anything you like. I want to see if we can drive Lou to holding out on the Tea Factory roof with a high powered sniper
rifle.

Name said...

Something I really want is live streaming of council meetings.

Name said...

Also coupled with that I'd like a free at the point of access programme, of public legal education, focussing on council activities.

This is so as many people as possible and who want to, are able to participate in local democracy

Anonymous said...

I would like t'council to sort out the pavements in front of the shopping parades, which are uneven, neglected and often used as convenient parking places for shopkeepers.

I would also like a polucy of open and transparent local government with every salary, perk, project, contract and expensive clearely documented and made available on a website for public inspection.

BrockleyBiker said...

I would like a referendum on selling Steve Bullock and his cabinet to the Chinese.

Failing that I would settle simply for a referendum on the abolishment of the Mayoral office.

Anonymous said...

Do you think the Chinese would want him/them?

Anonymous said...

A rewrite of conservation area rules, to bring them up to date.

Anonymous said...

I believe council meetings are now to be streeamed.

Anonymous said...

A vote on..."Cash consicous council closes creches."

It's reported the one on Brockley Rise is due to close along with 7 others.

Anonymous said...

Vote: Councillors should volunteer their services for the next 4 years rather than take allowances.

Matt-Z said...

A public clock in Brockley. Not sure where it would go (outside the station in a part pedestrianised Coulgate street?), but every good high street/town centre used to have a clock. Brockley's could be designed by a competition, or by local schools or artists etc.

Anonymous said...

I rather like the sound of a clock. If it wasn't for the recycling bins, it could go on that paved area outside the delivery office (yet another bit of Brockley that is aesthetically challenged). Maybe we could have a mural on that vast expanse of wall?

Brockley Nick said...

I too think the clock is a good idea.

Brockley Nick said...

I'm sure someone will shortly arrive to tell us that if you don't think the sorting office is a delightfully authentic slice of south east London cultural heritage then you're a fascist square who ought to live in Surbiton.

Brockley Kate said...

Ooh, a clock on that square outside the sorting office would be great! Maybe it could be combined with a big raised flowerbed, and a couple of benches?

High and Holy said...

A free day for all on the feastday of St. Norbert. (June 6th)

Monkeyboy said...

The sorting office bunker does have the whiff of an East German police station, circa 1979.

High and Holy said...

Mayor Bullock must ring everyones employer to explain

drakefell debaser said...

Um, exactly how high are you?

Matt-Z said...

I like Kate's idea for a the clock/flowerbed/bench combo. While Whitehall is dithering, where and how do we start the clock campaign? Local ward assembly?

It could be a tradtional town clock tower like this:

http://www.inetours.com/England/London/images/BgBn/Little_Ben_8214.jpg

Or something quirky and different (though probably not as off the wall as this one by Kit Williams who drew Masquerade):

http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/gallery_images/0809/0000/0201/cheltenham_02_mid.jpg

I imagine somewhere in between the two would be the prefered option.

Brockley Nick said...

Does anyone know whether Brockley ever had a clock tower, a la Little Ben? If so, what was it like and where?

Matt-Z said...

Never seen reference to one before. There's a great one in South Norwood near Norwood Junction station, easily reachable by ELL (or if you're Lou B stand grumpiply on the platform for 20 minutes until a Southern service comes along)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clocktower8.JPG

Matt-Z said...

The Norwood clock has recently been restored too, so there must be money around somewhere for landmark timepieces.

Brockley Nick said...

I like the Norwood one, similar to the NXG gas lamp. I like modernism, but when it comes to clock towers, I prefer them to be traditional, as in the digital age, where practically everything is a clock, they're a bit of an anachronism anyway.

BrockleyBiker said...

"Do you think the Chinese would want him/them?"

Yep. Top down rule ignroing all concerns of local residents, cliquey local politics, no real concern for the enviroment.

High and Holy said...

Repent Debaser for it is written 'The Lord liketh not the arse that is smart'

Anonymous said...

Looking at a pre-war map of Brockley, there was once a church on the site of the sorting office that must have been a victim of the blitz.

The sorting office is indeed a very brutal bit of architecture in the style of the 1960's.

I wonder if they still use that chimney.

Anonymous said...

I think that sorting office site is key to the areas regeneration given its central location and large site size. It would be perfect for a new retail/resi development with a little Waitrose local and some nice new retail units for a mix of chain/independent tenants....someone wake me up please...

Now Then said...

Nice idea a clock tower. The Lewisham clock tower was moved to its present site for pedestrianisation so moving one is possible. All thats needed is a council out there finished with theirs....

Anonymous said...

How about two sumo wrestlers fighting over a clock?

Anonymous said...

Let's hear it for Coulgate St pedestrianisation and hatching a plan to boot out Royal Mail/Post Office to make way for our clocktower!

Now Then said...

I am now counting 8 referendums. Whats the elimination process?

Brockley Kate said...

Referenda.

Anonymous said...

Pedanticum

Now Then said...

Kate, sorry to disagree but I think referendum is a gerund, the act of consulting the people and so forms its plural simply rather than a noun of the third declension as its often taken for.

Monkeyboy said...

....although a sorting office nearby is dead handy for picking up parcels. I suspect that removing a
royal mail facility will involve some arcane process, petitioning the queen or some such. Colgate street would be acheivable, the groundwork has been laid. Is that a bit parochial though, are these referenda(s) supposed to be for borough wide things?

We could ask Al Fayed to donate his kitch Diana & Dodi statue? That will need a new home soon

Brockley Kate said...

Now Then - it seems debatable. The OED says:
'Referendums is logically preferable as a plural form meaning ballots on one issue (as a Latin gerund, referendum has no plural). The Latin plural gerundive referenda, meaning things to be referred, necessarily connotes a plurality of issues.'

However in this context we ARE discussing a plurality of issues, and therefore the inference is relevant.

Now Then said...

@Kate,I had, remember,identified 8 distinct issues to be put to referendum thus referendums. Can we celebrate St. Norberts day with council meetings projected on to the clock tower?:)

Brockley Kate said...

New Then - I'll repeat: The OED quote seems to say that it depends on whether the referendums are on the same issue, or whether they are referenda on different issues.

Anyway, shall we have a referendum on it? I bet those grammar heathens over in Hither Green would love that, for starters, and one can only imagine what the good burghers of Catford would make of the issue ...

Anonymous said...

Did someone say burgers? Mmmmmm..... Burgers

Anonymous said...

Did someone say burgers? Mmmmmm..... Burgers

Now Then said...

'A referendum on it?' Hell lets have two!

Anonymous said...

As a good burgher of Catford I think you both use too many commas. Though of course my judgement may be clouded by the illiteracy with which we are all apparently cursed.

Anonymous said...

Referenda.

And yet...forums.

Tamsin said...

I'm as pedantic as the best of you - but just don't go there! Or start thinking about the hippopotomoi or rhinoceroi in the zoo, or whether there is such a thing as a datum.

Now Then said...

Theres a datum

Now Then said...

Rhinocerouses

Anonymous said...

Rhinocerousises

Tamsin said...

@Now then - and an apostrophe ;o)

Mb said...

Some rhinos

Name said...

I see Brown's is luring disembarking station users with the prospect of an iced lattes on sale.

I just made out the notice on the chalkboard front from between two cars.

There really are lot cars on Coulgate, they seem to smother the road.

A bit light regulation wouldn't go amiss there.

Now Then said...

And the final word on the neverending referending debate would appear to be that selfsame O.E.D.: 'The usage varies at the present time but the 'Oxford Dictionary for writers and editors' recommends referendums and this form seems likely to prevail'

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