Brockley Station platforms to be extended

Network Rail has made a planning application to extend the length of the platforms at Brockley Station, creating the capacity to accommodate longer trains from London Bridge.

When plans to reduce the frequency of trains from London Bridge outside the morning peak period were announced, Southern argued that in addition to the extra capacity created by the East London Line, crowding on the London Bridge service would be reduced by running longer trains along the route.

This would appear to be part of that plan, but perhaps the more expert train people on Brockley Central can fill us in.

47 comments:

Full Beard said...

They should put a new ticket office in while they are at it. The current portakabin is pitifully small (could really do with doubling the amount of barriers at least) and moving it to platform level would make it far more accessible.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, they obviously have plans to remodel the station to improve accessibility, but given budget pressures now, I'd expect us to get the bare minimum.

Monkeyboy said...

Hurah! Although a word of caution though, I I read over the weekend that the plans to spend a few quid buying new carriages across the network was being reviewed as traffic demand projections have been reviewed. Not sure
why that is a network rail funded and not southern. Still, better than nowt.

Anonymous said...

The platform is already pretty long though. Hopefully a new entrance to the westside of the station maybe?

Hugh said...

Took the Overground from Brox to Hoxton yesterday morning. Delightful to see the new trains and stations so well designed.

Michael said...

My train to London Bridge was canceled on Friday (typically), so I took the Overground service to Canada Water and changed. It was brill, the change there is very quick onto the Jubilee line. I'd argue that if you are heading into town, somewhere near a Jubilee Line station, that taking the overground is a quicker option than the London Bridge service - far less stressful too.

Sonia said...

An entrance at the Mantle Road side of the station would be great, yes! And on road level - please. But maybe I am asking for too much.

Ed said...

In addition to my recent 12 mins to the Wharf I got to Waterloo in about 15 mins on the weekend. ELL/Overground/Orange Surfer, whatever you prefer, it really is great.

I've noticed plenty of researchers collecting passenger numbers recently; presumably some of that data will feed into the assessment of requirements for the station and the only conclusion can be that it is far too small at present.

I suspect west side access will be the first thing to go in cost cutting.

A neighbour who complained in writing that they didn't open the electric gate for him has had confirmation that the gate can be used by all, not just pregnant or disabled persons.

The Cat Man said...

Network rail/southern are looking into the possibility of a mantle road entrance - they have mentioned a number of possible sites subject to planning permission so it sounds like it is definately on the cards!

The Orange Anaconda said...

If you hear a muffled bang, that'll be Lou exploding.

Anonymous said...

any idea where Cat man?

The Orange Anaconda said...

If you hear a muffled bang, that'll be Lou exploding.

Anonymous said...

I don't see why a mantle road entrance should be the first thing to go in cost cutting - surely this is one of the most straightforward changes to the station - and sensible.

Mb said...

Because a longer platform can lead to longer train and thus greater capacity I guess, that's often a primary concern. Having said that by encouraging greater use they ought to look at gate/entrance/ escape routes so it will strengthen the bussiness case for an improvement there.

Anonymous said...

Imagine how less congested the ticket office would be in the morning if there was simply a gate and ticket machine somewhere on the mantle road side leading directly on to platform 1.

Michael said...

The increased length of platforms is in preparation for further reduction in trains in 2012 when the Thameslink project will temporarily reduce the number of platforms available at London Bridge station.

The South London RUS recommended extending platforms on our line to 12 carriage trains (for the current 8 carriages). Network Rail/DfT decided to only extend the platforms to 10 carriages (unless the planning application says differently).

When we lose more trains in 2012 without the recommended lengthening of platforms we are likely to suffer from additional overcrowding, although the extent of this will depend on how many trains we will lose. It is difficult to imagine Southern running less than the 4 trains per hour that they current run in the evening peak, so it is probably the morning that will be impacted. Let's hope we don't have less than 4 tph, whatever length they are.

Mb said...

Temporarily, does that mean the service will return to normal after they've completed Thamelink?

Matt-Z said...

Mb - yes. And in theory some of the trains will continue beyond London Bridge to new and exciting Thameslink destinations like Palmers Green, Hendon and New Southgate.

Anonymous said...

@Ed - that is interesting and suggests that there is no question of staff using their discretion. You don't need to be dragging heavy luggage or anything? They have no grounds for refusing?

Anonymous said...

PS sorry, should have made it clear I'm talking about Ed's reference to use of the gate.

Ed said...

I've not seen the letter but we discussed how they previously refused to open it for a crowd until a woman at the front waved her crutch at the CCTV camera! It seems that the gate is open alot more often now...

Ed said...

I've not seen the letter but we discussed how they previously refused to open it for a crowd until a woman at the front waved her crutch at the CCTV camera! It seems that the gate is open alot more often now...

Anonymous said...

I also read that the CONDEM gov had been pooh poohing longer trains and I would not hold out hope that this will happen. I am loving the orange line and going on it to Croydon but does sit outside W Croydon for 5 minutes and now all trains even Southern stop at Penge and Anerley journey times longer all round.

Anonymous said...

I note that at Crofton Park there are two gates, one on each platform, that are open for most of the time and guarded only by oyster readers . . .

Disappointed said...

Ye gods, ELL shut south of Sydenham for "planned engineering works" this and next Sunday. Already!!!!!

Fed up said...

Last ELL service to West Croydon tonight cancelled AGAIN, terminating at NXG instead without any apology or explanation. They are treating us like shit. Already!

Tamsin said...

That's bad. When British Rail had "passengers" rather than "customers" it was a matter of policy not to cancel the last train anywhere. If there were operating difficulties you cut the penultimate one so that people might have had to wait but were not left stranded.

Anonymous said...

....refused to open it for a crowd until a woman at the front waved her crutch at the CCTV camera!

For some reason I can see that making 'The News Quiz' or 'Have I Got News for You'.

Sevenoakser said...

I got stuck last night too, thanks to ELL last train debacle. Tamsin, tube lines still seem to have a sensible policy like that _ in years of using last tubes I never had one cancelled. Just another way in which they seem to have an official Half Arsed policy for Overground services. Maddening.

Hugh said...

Why don't some of you fat blobs try cycling? Or is it too selfless and green?

Hugo said...

Only peasants ride bikes.

Headhunter said...

Actually most cyclists are middle and upper middle class, daaahling. Peasants drive souped up hatchbacks, or ride the bus/train wearing sweat pants playing music from their mobiles whilst munching fried chicken....

choo-choo said...

@the body fascist

Too dangerous. As testified to by HH on this blog and my various friends now enjoying time with their remaining working body parts.

fed up said...

And not all of us work in places with bike holding facilities. Leave a bike chained up on the street in East London for a ten-hour shift and it is nicked or carted off for being illegally parked. I don't think you can blame people for being upset if an advertised train timetable for which they have bought a ticket does not run, Hugh!

Stating the bleedin obvious said...

I don't want to cycle to work.

Anonymous said...

He knows all that - he's just trying to provoke a reaction, trying to get some attention.

Headhunter said...

I love cycling to work but I agree that it's ridiculous that the ELL, the supposed solution to our "isolation", is already not operating properly...

Having a bike crash isn't all that bad. Got a couple of battle scars but I'm about to get a several thousand pound payout from the idiot car driver's insurance company. they've already bought me a new bike and kit.

Ed said...

A few annoying delays and cancellations but generally ELL/OG is working well. I thought I polarised things until I started reading BCers' comments...

Anonymous said...

Hold on a minute - the platforms can take 8 carriages already yet many evening trains (including Saturdays) are only four carriages long and they are PACKED even from London Bridge (Charing Cross in the good old days before the service was axed). Adequate platform length doesn't equal adequate train capacity.

Why can't Southern be a bit more like Southeastern and have massive long trains all day long for God's sake?

Anonymous said...

If there's money allocated lengthen the platforms with a view to future expansion then do it before it's "reviewed"

Oh No said...

Now tonight the Tfl journey planner is saying last southbound train from Shadwell to Brockley is 11.10pm! This is half an hour earlier than it was meant to be, and no explanation. They are having a laugh now.

Anonymous said...

Suicide at new cross.... Sorry it held you up

Fed Up said...

They knew in advance there was going to be a suicide? This was on the TfL planner at 9,45pm, that the post 11.10 services would be cut, anon! Very well scheduled self harm then.

Headhunter said...

Just as I suspected.... ELL not all it was spin doctored up to be. Bring back our bladdy regular off peak trains to Charing X, expecially now that the high speed Kent link has been cut back. They're having a laarf.

Anonymous said...

HH, new systems take a while to bed in. And Southern? Reliable service is it? by your own admission you hardly use the trains, the ELL is a great addition. Going back to the old southern service only would be a massive retrograde step. Obvious to most people

Sevenoakser said...

I've written to London Overground asking what is going on with the late-night services, and logging the string of unexplained cancellations and early terminations. So we shall see what they say! In meantime even though I work round the corner from ELL in Wapping, it's back to trekking to London Bridge for the train. Longer trip but far more reliable.

Mb said...

Must say I've not had an issue with it yet, it's been a few mins Kate on occasion but the frequency makes that a bit academic. I missed the mahem yesterday morning and not used it late at night much.

I'm an optimist, they'll sort the teething troubles.

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