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Mayor Boris has confirmed that he will stand for re-election as London Mayor, after months of speculation.
Right! The fightback starts, pollution, underfunding and general contempt for South London to be addressed. Come out Bootoutboris starts NOW!!!
Although it may be unfashionable to say so (except, perhaps, in the polling station) I've been very happy with Boris Johnson's tenure.
Difficult to say until the opposition is known.
I like the no-nonsense style but worry about substance and hypocrisy...
I like Boris. He seems to be anti the namby-pamy red tape guff which many other politicians waste money on. I hope he stays.
I thought Ken had indicated he wanted to run again. If that's the choice, then it's Boris again....
Namby pamby red tape removal? really? where exactly. I admire his back peddling skills!Not as disasterous as I feared but I still think that Ken was a fantastic advocat for London, if a little unrestrained,
Ken wants to run as Labour candidate but so does Oona King.If she is nominated Ken may run as an Independent and split the Labour vote.And remember Boris got a lot of anti-Ken votes.
I'd rather have Boris' hair running london than Ken.
What has Boris actually done as Mayor? He has basically seen through schemes initiated by Ken - ELL extension, bike hire scheme etc and wasted money on the Boris bus, scrapped streams of revenue like the LEZ extension. As far as I can see he hasn't done anything positive. He promised that he would reclassify gardens and green spaces in London as greenfield rather than brownfield as they were when he came in (which I thought was a good idea) but I don't think he ever delivered on that.What else has he actually done? Genuine question...
Very happy with Boris, certainly much better than Ken.I like the bycicle scheme, and sincerely I would put his term in perspective with the world recession and years of Labour central Government.
Ken was like a dated trade-unionist... whereas Boris is more like a normal working Londoner so as a young office worker, Id back Boris.
Ken secured funding for Cross Rail and the ELL when they were languishing as nice ideas before. The congestion charge is a good thing in my view, if you want to drive around medieval streets – pay. He turned a scrappy bus service into something you would actually consider using. He was at the forefront of the Olympics and proposed the bike hire scheme that Boris has introduced. He took on New Labour face to face to get a good deal for London, in fact he lobbied hard for an effective Mayoral office, its ken that made it a useful post.Labour created the post of mayor to precisely to de-centralise power so not sure where arguments about central government come from. Ken was never a yes man, he HATED the PPP and was not shy about embarrassing Gordon by telling him. Ken was a master political player, he was hard left but he’s much more pragmatic these days. He courted the city boys as much as any other main stream politician, if that’s what you are into.Boris? WHAT A LEGEND! What’s he done exactly? What’s the defining policy of his administration that we can look at?
Boris has never done an 'ordinary' job in his life, what on earth are you on about? He's a laugh...good. Lets get Jo Pasquale in next time.
Stewart Lee not Jo(e) Pasquale!
I am not voting Boris because I am not going to reward laziness. The man has done next to NOTHING this past two years. He's just ridden off the back of Ken's policy coat tails. We have just has a week with the same strikes as before what has changed? I sooner have Oona that BoJo
Anon 14:58 - The bike hire scheme was proposed by Ken! Admittedly Bozo brought it to fruition rather than canning it. But seriously, what has Boris actually done of his own volition? Can anyone answer? Ken, love him or hate him, at least came up with ideas and put them into practice. The congestion charge, bendy buses, Oyster, bike hire scheme, LEZ etc. Ken put his money where his mouth is, Boris is just good at publicity and doing nowt.
Ken was a bit distainful of the London assembly, as is boris. Not convinced by oona at all, hearts in the right place but ken is a bruiser. London will need that going forward.
He's a buffoon who has made much political capital of of this country's unfortunate infatuation with buffoons. A lightweight's lightweight.As mentioned above, all his notable successes were in fact steered through by Ken. Pretty much his only contributions have been to get Barclays' sticky fingers all over the bike scheme and to appoint some very dubious advisers.
So Ken's an old trade unionist and clapped out etc etc is he.Look at ONE of the issues he is going to address when he returns to office.http://www.kenlivingstone.com/%e2%80%98time-to-shift-odds-from-betting-shops-to-local-communities%e2%80%99-ken/Vote policy and delivery, Vote KenBootoutBoris
Of the contestant so far I prefer Ken to Boris, it seems to me that he did more in his terms, but there is to say that he had two terms when Boris is only halfway through his first, still Ken was more focused.That said, I'd much rather have Boris than Oona King. Frankly, she doesn't have any record of being an independent minded person, as an MP she was a Blair babe throughout, never stepping out of line, and the Mayor of London is not a job for people like that.
Is there a lib deem candidate? Or is there a lib/con pact not to challenge Boris? That could have an interesting effect. Even if they do have a candidate will there be defections to ken...or Boris? Hmmmmm......
Headhunter anyone can have an idea. Meucci and others conceptualised the phone in the 1850's but it wasn't until Bell came about that it became what we still use every day.So thank you for those that make it happen! They could have not bothered.Congestion charges were common in the middle ages to tax travellers entering the town. Sold as a pollution solution is merely a tax. Not much to be proud of.Bendy buses have been around in other countries for more than 30 years and before Ken came about thravelling on the underground cost 90p per journey. Making a tube journey more expensive than travelling by car (without considering the conjection charge) seems to me like another tax. Cortainly not useful for reducung conjection.Ken's next move is the oxigen tax... for those that by breathing deplete the town of oxigen
The opposite, in fact. The Low Emission Zone was supposed to be a tax to allow people to breathe oxygen, rather than pollutants.
Hey, maybe people are voting on their confidence in day to day management, rather than tokenistic policies like the congestion charge.It's a bit like saying a company would recruit a particular new CEO because they put a toaster in the kitchen or stop people throwing paper in the trash bin. Useful, but is it leadership?
"Is there a lib deem candidate? Or is there a lib/con pact not to challenge Boris?"There isn't one yet but I'm sure there will be one soon enough. Realistically, unless it's someone with a personal pulling power to match Ken or Boris it'll be a rather up hill struggle, still, LibDems normally don't do too bad in terms of assembly members so a credible Mayoral candidate to sell the LibDem message during elections to help members elected is vital.There is an interesting discussion about it on the Libdem Voice blog here.
Realisitcally, unless the LibDems field a cross between Cheryl Cole and Stephen Fry, they are going to be unelectable.
Ken held out on the roll out of Oyster onto the trains for too long. We could have been much further along if he had not held up negotiations for years. Same with the Dome, that one dragged on for yeats.The Bike scheme is not exactly innovative, it has been done in many cities. It was just a case of getting a budget in place and placing the appropriate contracts. The bike superhighways are little more than a splash of paint on the road.In any case, as a project, it is small potatoes at about £90M but there is talk of it being extended. I'd vote to extend it down to Brockley.Boris probably has more chance of extracting cash from the current government than Ken.Oona seems a bit of a Labour apparachnik. Is she likely to take any iniative that promotes London or will she just mind the shop?Let me see, what is the big issue...The Olympics 27 July to 12 August 2012 and CrossRail.The Mayoral Elections are on Thursday 3 May 2012.Interesting timing. We have to vote before we know it has been a success. Who will be better at winning the battle for CrossRail with the Treasury? But I don't think this is the issues that is going to capture the imagination of the public.But the Olympics certainly will.If there is a any sort of screw up in the run up to the Olympics and it would be bad for Boris. I am looking forward to a fairly evenly balanced election campaign. Two seasoned candidates at least.It could go either way.
The brain of Cheryl Cole and the nose of Stephen Fry, sure route to power.
I think that actually I may have just described Lembit Opik.
Hang on, ken faced down the train companies and made them accept oyster. He made it happen. And investment in busses was more than bendy buses He made the system viable.Congestion charge a token? I'd say not, it discourages cars in central London which makes the busses work better and raises revenue. Other cities are looking at how we made it workToken gestures? Ladies and gentlemen I give you the Boris bus. A bus that costs more, carries fewer people and isn't even close to being available. Booze ban in the tube, because that was a massive problem wasn't it? The mans an empty vessel.
Go on max, now you've washed off the stink from the last election why not dip your toes in? Max For Mayor - Putting South East London On The Map
Flattered MB, but I'd have to set up my own party, I doubt I'd be able to go through the LibDem selection, despite the not great chances that a LibDem candidature offers for some reason a few serious contenders still want to do it.
Well there's the brockley vote! That's a good twenty?
Ken held out on the roll out of Oyster onto the trains for too long. We could have been much further along if he had not held up negotiations for years. Same with the Dome, that one dragged on for yeats.The Dome was nothing to do with Ken. And as pointed out above, the process of getting Oyster onto trains also began under Ken - it was the train companies who dragged their feet (and eventually Boris accepted a much poorer deal in many regards).Brockley has one of Ken's legacies running right through it - a new railway line, with a station that's staffed all day and is getting a much needed revamp. You're lucky to have that. It'd never have happened under Boris.
So Ken Livingston as mayor had no say over the development of the Millenenium Dome site?I seem to recollect that he was holding out for a minimum of 50% affordable homes be provided by the developer.As mayor one would have had to sign off the planning, would he not?
Or not.Unless he was secretly Mayor when the Millenium Dove was planned which happened before his first term of office.
He was mayor when the big decison regarding how to develop the Dome and all of large area of land around it was taken after the Millenium eve bunfight took place. That was a £6billion deal.Ken held out for the best deal regarding affordable housing and he held out against the rail operators regarding the deal over Oyster.Ken is a candidate who will hold out for a long time and you will have a long wait for whatever he decides upon.Boris, to his credit, cut a deal and delivered the projects.Now, depending on your disposition, you can critisise each of these approaches.However, credit where credit is due. Ken did deliver on the buses, though at great cost and it was about the only bit of the London transport system he had any power over.For a time Boris was the only Conservative elected to any sort of position so he probably had a big team behind him making sure he did not screw up. That gives him a lot of clout with the current government. Ken is a maverick and some of the characters he surrounds himself with have gotten him into a lot of trouble.Both of these guys are OK and both will do their best for London, I am sure. As for any other candidates...are their any good ones?
Yes, I hear Tony Blair would not mind to come back. Perhaps Ken and Tony can make a revival election.
I will definitely be voting for Ken. He is a highly experienced politician by career (wasn't he a councillor at about 24?), loves London and has its best interests at heart. I believe no-one knows more about the city-wide government of London, from overall strategy to minutiae, than him.Boris, on the other hand, is just a populist figurehead and no-one on this thread has convinced me he's done anything much that wasn't already in the offing from Ken's time at the GLA!
Ken has some very dodgy friends. I seem to remember a scandal that broke during the last mayors election.The sleeze factor.
Tony Blair standing is one of the very few things I can think of that would get me off my butt and out campaigning for an 'AnyoneButBlair' candidate.
Both have allegations of dodgyness, how many Boris advisors resigned? Let's not get distracted. Take away the affable buffoonery and we have what exactly?
Anon @ 1`4.55:'Ken has some very dodgy friends.'Are you suggesting Boris hasn't, or something?
Tony Blair would be an excellent candidate for mayor, in my opinion.
No, it would be too much of a distraction from his after dinner speaking engagements.
You pro-kenites have very short memories, or you're too young to remember his first term; he was invisible until 12 months before he stood for re-election.
@Anon"[Ken] was invisible until 12 months before he stood for re-election."That's simply not true - whatever you think of him and his policies, he was extremely active throughout. In the early part of his first term, he focused on introducing Oyster, massively increasing bus capacity in the capital and introducing the Congestion Charge. During the early part of his second term he played a key and high profile role in securing the Olympics - and of course, dealing with the fallout from the tube bombing (in response to which, he delivered a note-perfect speech).Throughout his two terms, he led the development of the ELL. As has already been said, for anyone from around here to say he did little is to ignore the evidence that you benefit from every day.
For a good democracy I think it is never a good idea that politicians stand in the same powerful positions for more than a couple of mandates.Ken no thanks. Whether one likes it or not in recent years the Conservatives have been able to renovate their leaders better than the opposition.Blair followed by an older Brown (not elected) and now by their knights and brothers who remind me with a chill of Jeremy Iron's movie the 'Dead Ringers'
I'm sorry, but he was invisible for the first 3 years, to ordinary Londoners anyway. I thought, and still think, that though the Oyster card is a convenient object, it compels you to pay in advance for a service. How many people top-up their cards and rarely use them? And Ken may have made a tearful speech after the bombings, but to us older people that doesn't excuse his endless excusing of the IRA.
You don't think the oyster is a step forward? It integrates transport in London. As for the IRA, governments have courted them since Edward Heath days. Ken stood against the official labour candidate and faced down the car lobby to introduce the congestion charge. He's an advocate for London, Boris is a personality. Did you see on London news last week when the reporter asked him to flesh out the basis for his campaign. He chuckled, stumbled, made a few inane jokes and said that could wait. I'd like a fresh face but he's a player.
Governments may have 'courted' the IRA, but that doesn't equate to Ken's robust defence of their actions.And don't forget 'the car lobby' isn't some entity like bird flu', they are your fellow citizens.I used to like Ken, he was cheeky and fun, at least that was his public persona before he became mayor. He made his fellow politicians uncomfortable and was entertaining. But he is, as is often stated, a consummate politician. Remember how he came to be leader of the GLC? No one voted for him as leader, it was a Ken putsch.
the car lobby are my fellow citizens, yes I know, I own a car. There are also too many of them on the road and should be diusuaded from traveling into central London.oh.... see this...http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/ira-ceasefire-what-all-unionists-must-hear-ken-livingstone-spells-out-an-agenda-for-peacemakers-that-will-reassure-a-fearful-majority-1445995.htmlRecognising a political reality Vs Empty rethoric, dont think Ken ever advocated the IRA bombing London but did recognise that Sien Fein had support, Gerry Adams was an elected MP. The 'coalition' are now advocating negotiating with the talban who are busily building IEDs and burning down schools. Politics is the art of the possible, sometimes you have shake hands with some dubious charecters.
Now you're just making excuses for Ken. Will Gerry Adams ever actually attend Parliament? That's what he's elected to do after all. Remember Ken inviting extremist clerics to London?Ken is a rabble-rouser. I don't want to be part of his rabble.
Gerry Adams was an elected mp, we agree then? Don't think ken was involved with a plot to beat up a journalist as far as I know. Now Boris on the other hand....
But what has Boris done for London, and for us in South London? I really would like a response to this.
I'm not sure Boris should be able to elaborate on his policies for a campaign in 2 years time. He should be getting on with his job not planning an election this far in advance.And Ken did a lot of good things (the congestion charge and the improvements in the buses are two brilliant acheivements) but he also did a lot of more questionable things. Accepting cheap oil from Hugo Chavez is unacceptable for a start. And as for sleaze, Boris may had dodgy advisers, Ken just beat people up himself.
Actually there was that 'alledged' incident.... perhaps we organise a fight for the keys to city hall?
@THNick - agreed, would be folly for him to put forward his manifesto now. But the question that's been asked of his supporters on here is: what has he achieved / improved / initiated?No response yet.
It’s the news we have all been waiting for.
What Boris hasn't done is quite relevant: he hasn't accused a Jewish reporter of being a Nazi concentration camp guard for one, and he hasn't installed a bunch of unelected Marxist cronies in County Hall. He hasn't declared he can't ride a bike for 'security reasons'.And many more.
Cronyism.... Never get Borris doing that. So how many HAVE resigned anyway?The reporter thing needs to be taken in context. He accused the reporter of being "like a Nazi" because he worked for the standard who were owned by the Mail at the time. It was virulently anti ken and the newspaper was distantly warm toward the Nazis in the '30s. A crass stupid thing to say but nothing more. Still were getting a nice expensive bus we don't need.
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