Brockley Cross: short-term gain and long-term pain

Brockley Cross Action Group member and Brockley Ward Assembly organiser Stuart Woodin is concerned about the long-term implications of the works scheduled for Brockley Cross and is urging other residents to attend tonight's Assembly to persuade the Council to rethink its plans.

He says:

I am pushing for a better engagement process and a stop to phase 1 works because I am convinced that better crossing points, any pavement width increases and tarmac width decreases, which many are asking for, will be resisted by Lewisham Council – for three reasons:
  1. It will force traffic into other rat runs and they would like to keep the existing one (e.g. my current road) - which is rather unfair on residents of Geoffrey Road who have suffered for long enough.
  2. Any pavement width changes, will have a bearing on how the main carriageway aligns with the double roundabouts and connects with Brockley Road and Shardeloes road. If you fix the double roundabouts you severely limit the scope to widen pavements.
  3. If you allow pedestrians to cross where they really want to, this affects functioning and white line positioning of the double roundabouts.
In other words these early works could stop us getting a half-decent scheme.

Whether or not you feel strongly about this issue, we strongly urge any Brockley ward residents able to go tonight to do so. They are really fascinating sessions that give you a new perspective on local issues. Everyone should go at least once.

19 comments:

You must be joking said...

I'm not sure creating other 'rat runs' is an option at all. This traffic scheme has been in place for a long itme - the residents of Geoffrey Road knew the traffic situation when they bought their places - and there is a payoff with slightly lower property prices.

Suggesting that you've served your time and that new rat runs should be created will meet with a lot of resistance - especially from those who chose a quiet road to live on.

Ed said...

I agree but have tickets to TRON 3D at the IMAX...

Brockley Nick said...

@YMBJ - I agree, the objective should not be to create new rat runs.

Brockley Nick said...

PS - I don't think that was necessarily his meaning. I think he meant that more traffic should be sent down Malpas, as the main arterial road in the area, rather than through the conservation area. When cars reach the end of Geoffrey Road, they turn down Wickham Road in search of a short cut to Lewisham...

Theatre Snob said...

I trump your Tron3D with tickets to Greenland at the National Theatre.....

Mb said...

Difficult to approach this from an objective standpoint. I live on malpas and don't want more traffic clattering over the bumps. Also it's difficult too have two lanes flowing it's narrow.

No easy answers.

Lou Baker said...

There is an easy answer.

Get out of your cars people and use the wonderful East London Line instead.

It'll take you places you never even knew existed.

TopfloorBXoffice said...

BXSpy in the sky can report bugger all work has been done this week at the X. More council workers arrived yesterday to line in what looks like a large new stadium shaped traffic island at the top of Shardeloes Road.

Seems to me that the planners are still having a good think about how best to proceed on this.

Ed said...

In other news the teafactory cafe(?) has had the workmen in to tidy up and they have laid a blue floor...

patrick1971 said...

I always wonder how many of the people complaining about traffic and "rat runs" own a car...

In this instance Lou Baker is 100% right (a stopped clock being right twice a day, and all that).

Brockley Nick said...

Lou was being sarcastic.

I own a car. I complain about rat runs and think we should do much more to give over cities to pedestrians.

As a car owner, I don't consider it my right to drive around as fast and as directly as I like, to the detriment of all around me.

patrick1971 said...

Lou may have been being sarcastic, but many a true word spoken in jest.

I'm sorry, Nick; if you're an able bodied person living in London and you own a car, you are part of the problem.

Malpas and Shardeloes Roads are classic examples. What are primarily residential streets have been turned over to the power of the motor car. They're not "rat runs" as such but they're deeply unpleasant. And all down to the motor car.

Mb said...

Not a Top Gear fan then?

Reg said...

A stopped clock may be right twice a day... but only by accident.

Residents - yes, another car driver too - don't need to wait for accidents in order to prove proverbs.

The council did a survey some time back now. The traffic impact study was impaired when it was discovered that cables had been cut. The results of that survey then allowed the council to reroute traffic up Upper Brockley Road, Geoffrey Road, Manor Avenue, and Wickham Road.

With Nick 100% - keep the traffic where it belongs, on the B roads.

Brockley Nick said...

@Patrick - car ownership isn't particularly the problem - not in Brockley at any rate, where seemingly few residents have cars. It's in decline in cities in any case.

There are well-rehearsed arguments about why cars are useful, but I have three kids and I find it very useful to have one although I use it infrequently. I bought it 5 years ago and maybe I would think about a car club if I was making the decision all over again today.

Owning one also helps to stop someone parking a massive great removal van outside my front window ;)

But yes, I agree with you about roads generally. Let's have road pricing, higher taxes on fuel, punitive taxes for high-emission vehicles.

As a car owner, I'd be happy with all of that, so long as the money is used to improve public transport, invest in pedestrianisation schemes, etc.

Anonymous said...

In London it costs less to go from a to b by car then by tube.

Not very good incentive to leave cars at home.

Anonymous said...

Higher taxes on fuel? I'm not sure the station signs are wide enough!

If you are an able bodied person walking around the conservation area in a tatty wool jumper buying vegetarian food and fair trade lattes, you are part of the problem.

Anonymous said...

Kind of depends where a and b are. If you work in the city it's not really an option is it?

Tamsin said...

Even though journeys are much more than Michael Flanders' unbelievable (then) forecast of "a pound a piece" - we should not make a fuss. Single-bus trips are probably the cheapest option - although they can be costly in time and discomfort. Don't forget to factor in parking as well as petrol into the cost of your car journey.

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