St Cyprian - Controversy over the lapsed

Blake: A-I-D-A. Attention, Interest, Decision, Action. Attention - Do I have you attention? Interest - Are you interested? I know you are, because it's fuck or walk. You close or you hit the bricks. Decision - Have you made your decision for Christ? And Action.

When we first reported that St Cyprian's had found new life as a fundamentalist Christian church, it resulted in arguably the most heated debate in the history of the site, with some readers forecasting problems with anti-social behaviour.

Today, we received this message from Nick, who has been affected and wants to know the scale of the problem:

I'm a resident on Braxfield road and was just wondering if you had received any other notes from residents in the same area about the disruption being caused by 'gatherings' at St Cyprian's hall recently?

I understand this is now a temporary church and whilst I appreciate members of this church must meet to express their religion I am extremely disappointed with the complete lack of respect these people appear to have for the local residents.

The oversized meetings appear to be spilling out onto the road (probably because of the terrible state of the internal decor and lack of H&S) where people are creating a lot of noise, dropping litter, smashing bottles, sitting on people's front walls, blocking the road, taking up the resident's parking spaces.....the list goes on!

Would you be able to post a topic about this to see if anyone else in the local area is as equally frustrated with these meetings? Do you know of any contacts in the council who the neighbours could approach to inform them of these activities?

Thanks in advance

52 comments:

Anonymous said...

You wanna try living in Peckham where there's a church every 10 bloody steps. On my road alone there are THREE churches. Parking would be a pain except the council put in a controlled parking zone around here decades ago. You could ask for one of those. It means no one ever comes to visit you, but at least there aren't hoards of people parked outside your house all the time.

Also go ask the pastor to tell his congregation to respect their neighbours.

Anonymous said...

"Also go ask the pastor to tell his congregation to respect their neighbours."

This is your first point of contact.
Try here before the council, you may have more luck.

Anonymous said...

What's a fundamentalist christian church when it's at home?

Anonymous said...

Give up, tell us.

drakefell debaser said...

anon 12:47, the high density of churches might have something to do with a church on the Old Kent Road, on the left hand side as you head towards London Bridge, which has a banner proclaiming Peckham to be the 'Jewell in Gods Crown'.

Look out for the messiah on the 453.

Ben Brown said...

Have similar problem where I live by Deptford Green school, loads of churches within half a square km and the parking right up to the corners makes it very dangerous to turn out of my road. Don't think it's very christian to park to endanger others. very good suggestion to talk to the pastor.

mintness said...

...which has a banner proclaiming Peckham to be the 'Jewell in Gods Crown'.

Maybe God is an Ipswich Town fan.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Makes a change from Brockley Central being a Spurs fan.

mintness said...

Fortunately for BC, my 3God is a forgiving God.

mintness said...

"3God"? 3Good 3Grief.

Ed said...

I can't feign surprise at the anti social acts of the religious, particularly when you consider how badly they treat their own and each other.

Belfast, Bombay, Beruit, Belgrade, Baghdad... [courtesy of Hitchens]

Brockley Nick said...

@Mintness - My 3God? Is that the follow-up to My 2 Dads?

Anonymous said...

I agree with Nick on this one, it can get a bit chaotic at that end of the road, and I couldn't actually park in the road when I returned home from the super market.
Something needs to be done.

H said...

I live opposite a church and whilst it is difficult to find a parking space on a Sunday, I wouldn't consider the parking spaces are just for residents. If there are no restrictions surely visitors to the church have just as much as a right as anyone else to park there?

Good luck with the rest of the anti-social behaviour.

Brockley Nick said...

I agree about the parking. Unless there is a residents permit scheme then the roads are there for everyone, so long as they are abiding by the laws.

Anonymous said...

Not on my front doorstep.

D said...

Sounds like the same argument as people always have regarding the van hire companies parking all over the place. it's a pain, but there's really nothing you can do about it without parking permits.
Maybe it's a manifestation of their 'fundamentalist' beliefs and they're declaring war on the heathens via the medium of manic parking.

Parlour said...

I was walking down Brackfield Rd last night on my way back from Crofton Park Station and it ws around the time that ppl were queuing to get into the church.

I was forced off the pavement as there was a huge amount of bodies blocking the way. I was amazed by the way some motorists were trying to squeeze into small spaces, and the fact that a van and a ppl carrier were trying to pass each other down the narrow road was beyond belief!!

I have no problem with ppl practising their beliefs but not at the expense of the residents!!

I think a stern letter to the local MP is needed!

Rant over

mb said...

I wonder if the Romans started by clamping donkeys in jerusalem? It's a slipery slope to the whole 'lion' scenario.

Anonymous said...

I lived on Braxfield Road in the days when the Catholic Club ran the hall and it wasn't any different then. A number a requests for better management of the centre were made to the Priest, Councillors, and the users of the hall. Things improved. I would recommend speaking the church leaders about the problem. I'm sure they will listen and ask the congregation to be more respectful.

Is the Braxfield Road side entrance still used as the main entrance? The front entrance on Brockley Road was hardly ever used. Never understood why.

Tressilliana said...

Clearly not a Wee Free kirk then. I gather that the Wee Frees now accept that it's OK for people to use public transport to go to church on a Sunday but the Wee Wee Frees don't. I don't think either of them would think it was OK to drive to church on a Sunday as that would break the Sabbath.

Sue said...

Am I right in thinking that it's a different church that has taken it over in the past month or two? I think the name has changed.

Highways can enforce illegal parking, but as others have said, unless Braxfield and surrounding streets want a CPZ (and they don't normally operate on Sundays anyway), everyone has an equal right to park on the road as it stands.

Planning were at one point querying whether permission was needed for change of use from social club to a place of worship, but not sure what they decided about that in the end.

Did the planning app for demolition and building flats (preserving front wall of church) ever go through? Not much comfort to residents suffering right now, but if the site is about to be redeveloped, the church may soon be evicted anyway. Then you'll just have works traffic, dust and construction noise to look forward to...

Hippo said...

Things, including parking, will be a great deal easier once our species evolves beyond religion.

Anonymous said...

Lumping all 'religious' people into one category is about as clued up as thinking all Muslims are terrorists.

Anonymous said...

Things, including parking, will be a great deal easier once our species evolves beyond religion.

Hear Hear!

Danja said...

Once hippos evolve beyond religion, we'll truly reach nirvana. Or something.

Tamsin said...

If a place of worship rather than a social club is a change of use requiring planning permission (Danja - don't you have the gen on this?) presumably impact on parking is one of the things that the council could take into account in deciding whether or not to grant it.

Rush L. said...

Live and let live people.

Brockley Nick said...

Hippos don't evolve Danja, they were made from Monkeyboy's rib.

Tyrwhitt M said...

Would Sky Sports sack God for being sexist and making the man first and shock horror then creating the woman from part of the man?

I'm glad I live near a pub rather than a church.

Monkeyboy said...

I'm the Ying to Lou's Yang, locked in an eternal struggle but somehow producing a beauiful whole.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Its a bit spooky that there is a story about Gabriel (as in arc-angel) on another thread.

I nearly lapsed into a road to Damascus revelation.

I didn't though.

Anonymous said...

The best thing about the Damascus Road is the signpost to South London

Anonymous said...

Is an arc-angel one that's got hold of a Spirograph?

Monkeyboy said...

Arc-angels would a great name for a team of crack female welders.

Anonymous said...

doesn't sound like very Christian behaviour!

Michael - Tyrwhitt not Archangel said...

Upon looking up how to spell Archangel correctly I find that Gabriel's sidekick is Michael....

Tamsin said...

St Michael and All Angels. He is the one with the fiery sword.

Brockley Church of God Our Saviour said...

"Lumping all 'religious' people into one category is about as clued up as thinking all Muslims are terrorists."

But surely all religious people are by definition, "religious" whereas the same cannot be said for Muslims/terrorists.

St. Monkeyboy said...

eh? why not? plenty of devote christians, including preists, were involved in that bit of bother across the irish sea. More londoners have been killed by white christian terrorists.

Religious tribalism has a long and bloody history. The flavour of supernatural belief may change but the silliness is a common thread.

God said...

I'm just glad no one has mentioned the bloody jedis - doh!

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Jedis - aren't they the ones with firey swords..........

Mr Silly said...

"eh? why not? plenty of devote christians, including preists, were involved in that bit of bother across the irish sea. More londoners have been killed by white christian terrorists.

Religious tribalism has a long and bloody history. The flavour of supernatural belief may change but the silliness is a common thread."

Was William Wilberforce silly to campaign for the abolition of slavery? Or Dr Barnardo silly to set up his orphanages? What about the countless Christian charities today working against things like human trafficking and child poverty, here and around the world?

It is lazy to judge a religion by the 0.001% who carry out violent acts in its name. For every one person who commits an act of violence in the name of a religion, there are a thousand members of that same religion who will condemn the act.

Mb said...

No, that right. Just people. Religion has no bearing on morality, but it is another reason to dislike another group.

drakefell debaser said...

For every one person who commits an act of violence in the name of a religion, there are a thousand members of that same religion who will condemn the act

So what, it is easy to condemn an act. The division over which deity you should worship is STILL the biggest cause of conflict in our world today. Why?

If your religion makes you morally upright and righteous then stop killing and persecuting others with a different view to your own.

Incidentally, how many upstanding Christian gentleman held the opposite view to William Wilberforce? Quite a few I would imagine.

Anonymous said...

A no brainer surely?
Just ask them to keep it down or keep their doors and windows shut. Get the pastor to clean up any broken bottles/litter and indeed if someone sits on your wall tell them to shift. Its private, go to Hilly Fields if they want a sitdown. Put a message on a car blocking your drive (if you have one).

Anonymous said...

As a resident on Braxfield, I have written to Joan Ruddock after a man from the congregation stood in the road to prevent me from parking in the road where I live. If other residents have a similar problem, I strongly advise that they visit www.writetothem.com and alert the council, MP and anyone who will listen about this problem.

I also spoke to the deliverer of a 'promotional postcard' (whilst politely returning it) for the church to highlight the concerns of the residents to the pastor and other members of their congregation.

Ed said...

You should have run him over and used the Bill Hicks defence - 'You're a Christian, so forgive me!'

BTW such blocking may constitue an offence under the RTA...

Lions 'R' Us said...

We have a selection of big cats, available on a day or hourly rate. Book now for the "February Hyena Promotion"

Pilate said...

Do your hyenas eat Christians?

Tamsin said...

Nice Giles cartoon shortly after Longleat became famous as a "safari" park. Crates of both lions AND Christians being delivered to another stately home with the caption "Anything Bath can do I can do better..."

And the usual extra visual gag in that the crate of Christians, although clearly labelled "This way up", was upside down.

Lions 'R' Us said...

Due to 'elf and safety, our animals do not ACTUALLY eat anyone. We're not sickos. They will however growl rather menicingly at anyone holding a Bronze age believe system and will chuckle knowingly at Scientologists.

Latest Tweets

Brockley Central Label Cloud

Click one of the labels below to see all posts on that subject. The bigger the label, the more posts there are!