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The ELL extension to Highbury opened as promised today, with the Mayor on board.
East London Line,
Great news, better connections for us all, a good conection to the Victoria Line, and easier trips to Walthamstow for me personally. I wonder if/when they'll find the cash for the mooted extension further west to Camden Road?Boris is great at turning up to take the plaudits for things he didn't instigate. His successor won't have the luxury.
Part of a Mayor's job is to promote finished projects and get people using them, FFS...
"'the kinked M25' of trains." FIXED
I wonder how much quicker this overground route is to Islington compared to the route by train to London Bridge and Northern Line tube to Angel?When is the last train to Brockley?That the foppy haired one is bragging away in his usual style is no great surprise. Pushing these projects through to their conclusion is an important part of the job.Roll on phase 2 and a fast link to Clapham.I'd like to see progress on the Crofton Park link to St Pancras. How long will that take, I wonder?Public transport links are essential to London and South London in particular needs all the connections it can get.I am very happy with the Overground service, it seems to have really made a difference to Brockley.
Brockley-Highbury and Islington = 33 minutes*Brockley-London Bridge = 9 minutes*London Bridge-Angel=8 minutes**Change from train to tube=10 mins***Total: 27 minutesSo it's quicker to go to Angel and you're not at the shit end of Islington either.Source:*Nationalrail.co.uk**tfl.gov.uk*** generous guess, 5 is more reasonable.
But you have to change. I thought you were pathologically against changing, only communists or the clinically insane do that or something? At least TRY and be consistent.
Ah but... Lou...33 mins of sitting in the same place and reading a book. Shit end of Islington? That's matter of opinion, there are some brilliant shops that I would say are the same walk whether you land at one end or the other.
MB: I'm not against changing at all.One of the main problems with the Overground is that there aren't enough places to change - and those that there are were there before, at least for those of us who use NXG.And Highbury really is the shit end of Islington. Turn left out of the station and you're surrounded by kinky sex shops, take aways and Gooners. Put the three of those together and you have my idea of hell.
The changes add on quite a bit of time, ELL is far better. As a Gooner myself, this is a great benefit - I've been cycling from Dalston Junction to matches, now I can get from home to H&I in one journey.
Stuff the train, the Tube, the Overground and changes and do the whole journey by bike. And it's free. You know it makes sense... Nice little 8½ mile ride from Brockers...
Yes Headhunter, but the road from Brockley to Highbury already existed for Brockley residents, therefore we discount it...
Getting off the train at London bridge and cueing up for a bus can be a nightmare. Sometimes the bus can take an age just to get to liverpool street let alone islington. Lou's rant this time is just bollox.
Bus? Why would you get the bus from London Br, you just jump on the Northern Line to get to Angel...
Buses can be nicer for the claustrophobic or agoraphobic - there is the option of escape (although less so now the routemasters have been decommissioned) and sky visible through the windows.(But I do like the notion of cueing up for a bus - giant pot holes..?)
Yes, bus journeys can be nicer I suppose, you could do the whole journey from Brockley to Angel with only 1 bus change. In fact you can do it by bus (more or less) without a single change if you take the number 21 and don't mind a short walk at the other end, however if we're trying to do it as quickly as possible then bus is not an option!
Trouble with cueing for a bus is that in London they are all red.No cue bus - although national express coaches could pass as white - and only colours when you venture outside London.I miss the Greenline buses but then I was always a rubbish snooker player.
Impact.Was it any busier today then?
Not sure if it was any busier but I noticed plenty of spare seats on southern trains at 7:30ish. Either southern commuters have died, left brockley, sacked, abducted by aliens or have chosen to use the ELL. The Market has chosen and has declared the ELL good.
@lou - out of interest, why didn't you choose to deliver your scathing critique of Highbury and Islington on the relevant thread, which references all the amazing places within short walking distance of the tube there?
The last through service to Brockley from H&I is at 2335. There is another train at 0010 which requires a change at New Cross Gate.
"Buses can be nicer for the claustrophobic or agoraphobic"Well they should just pull their socks up and get on with it like the rest of us have to...
Now that is a good thing....
Lets just hope it doesn't turn out like the M25.
Has anyone alerted a Green councillor?
impact = less people getting off at Canada Water.Quite a few actually getting on.I relied on that flooding exodus of people to give me some breathing space and a seat after Canada Water.Oh well.
Small, but significant, practical quibble with the new regime.I now have a choice of routes to work: relocated office is about the same distance from London Bridge and Rotherhithe. The LB walk is prettier so I wanted a Southern train this morning. This reinforced something I suspected last night when I got the Overground to Shoreditch: when there's a Highbury & Islington train next up there's no room for more than one train on the platform indicator board. It seems to be beyond the wit of whoever controls the board to abbreviate Highbury & Islington in any way so it runs over two lines and the usual rolling info about the second and third trains is suspended. Given how unreliable Southern trains are this is vital info. I ended up going back up to the ticket office to look at the screen in there. I was not the only one.Hoping this is a temporary glitch.
@Ben - I thought exactly the same thing this morning. Glad I am not a lone saddo.
Use the iPhone Train Times app, it has much better departures info than that found on the actual station signs...
Anon 14:32. Surely you can already get a train from Crofton Park to St Pancras?Lou - top end of Upper St is clearly the nicer bit. Bottom end is strictly chain pubs and high st shops. Top end has theatre pubs, better restaurants and better shops. Even that bit of Holloway road you point out has sex shops, take aways, arsenal fans AND A WAITROSE.
@anon 10:29. Is the one you use "UK Train Times" by Agant Ltd? £4.99? You'd recommend?
The best bit of Upper Street is the bit just north of the Design Centre. Not that it matters I have no desire to go back to Islington again, ever.The iPhone train ap is great. Much better than the actual trains.AND if you work between London Bridge and Rotherhithe what are you doing taking the train? Cycle. It's only 4 miles.
"I have no desire to go back to Islington again, ever" *does a little chance of joy*
@Lou: I don't own a bike. Have considered it but I'm a bit of a wimp. The Old Kent Road, in particular, would scare the willies out of me.I do, however, plan to walk to work most days. Just not this morning: one too many birthday martinis last night so was a little late on parade.
@ben You don't have to go along the Old Kent Road.There's a brilliant cycle route through Burgess Park. You can get nearly all the way to the City without touching anything other than little residential roads.I'm a big fan of bikes. They're potentially one of the easiest ways of solving many of London's transport problems. Pretty much all kids should have them to get to school - to stop the infernal school run. And anyone who lives in zone 2 who works in zone 1 should seriosuly consider it. Frankly, you're a nut if you use public transport everyday. Spending loads of money to share crowded, filthy carriages on unreliable trains, with stinky chavs.Instead you can use a bike, which is cheap, healthy, you can enjoy the fresh air, get some exercise and you can predict your journey time to within a few minutes. And it's all down to you. You're not at the whim of some overpaid train driver who hasn't bothered to turn up to work because he was on the piss last night.
Lou - but you are at the mercy of the puncture god, amongst other things. And the queue for the showers at work.
Lou 'I'm a big fan of bikes'. That's a great line. What other things are you a big fan of?
Headhunter (way upthread) - I did often cycle the whole distance (I mostly cycle commute), but far more pleasant, and quicker, to sit on a train with the bike and read a book.
It seems Lou mostly has a problem with people.
@philI don't have a problem with people. Only with halfwits and morons. Sadly, there are too many of you.
Not up to date with this thread but Lou has a point (16.20), generally I mean...
Lou - so far you dislike football fans, 'chavs' and train drivers. oh, and people you think are stupid, of course. Not that I can detect great intellect from your posts. Just a lot of spite.
I dislike Gooners - not the same as football fans. No-one sensible likes chavs. And train drivers are predominantly idiots.But there are plenty of non-Gooner, non chav, non train drivers who are perfectly okay.
lou, Are you one of the gunning fools who stands behind Jeremy clarkson when he's dispensing his rapier like observations? (by the way, loafers, cheap jeans, crumpled shirt and a blazer is not "cool")Just wondered.
Phil - Impressive if you could get yourself and your bike AND get a seat on a tain from Brockley at peak times!
Lou Baker - are you always this misanthropic? Take off the blinkers luv.
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