The Evening Standard on the East London Line effect 2

Because you demanded it, here's the article the Evening Standard ran about the likely impact that the Clapham extension on the East London Line is likely to have on house prices along the route. This is a theme the paper is fond of.


They say:

Homebuyers take note: many good-value SE postcodes will no longer feel the isolation that has kept prices down in the past. Now could prove a good time to buy, before the full impact of the new line is felt and buyers pile in and push up prices.

Transport for London forecasts that the fully extended East London line will boost yearly passenger numbers from nine million to 40 million by 2016.

Obviously, it's not directly relevant to this area, but it shows that the ELL will continue to shine the spotlight on South East London until next year at least.

44 comments:

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Don't forget the South London Extension exhibition today 3pm until 8pm at Millwall's ground.

Anonymous said...

ooooo more property porn!!!

parenzi said...

I shouldnt have listened to last year advice!!! I should have waited another year and buy in peckham!!!

Hugh said...

Zzz.

Lou Baker said...

Um, dear Evening Standard - it is not a 'new line.' It is an old line with a short stretch of new track which serves less useful destinations, albeit slightly more frequently.

Oh, and there are no new stations either.

Love Lou

Womble said...

Lou, you are like a broken record.

I continue to find new reasons to bless the Overground and the wonderful connection at Canada Water, which makes it significantly easier than before to get into the West End and to Paddington (and therefore to Heathrow, which was a real pain before).

Bakerloo said...

.....except the new bits and the service to Croydon and the new stations. 70000 people against a motley coalition of you and hh

Charlie said...

Great stuff!

Lou Baker said...

@womble:

It is difficult to argue that phase 2 of the extension will make life easier for anyone.

No new stations at all. Two stations lose ALL their connections to central London - down from 4 an hour to 0.

Clapham Junction to Canary Wharf? Probably still quicker to go to Waterloo and change - certainly that route is more frequent, though it does require going through zone 1.

ELL2 is bad for Peckham, it's bad for Denmark Hill, it's bad for Wandsworth Town, Clapham High Street and Battersea Park. In other words - it's just bad.

ELL1 was a bodge job. ELL2 is nothing short of a disgrace.

Monkeyboy said...

Just you against the world...... One day we'll realise and fall at your feet.

Lou Baker said...

You're wrong there monkeyface.

There's a huge campaign to save the South London Line - backed by your fellow leftie nuts Harriet Harman and Tessa Jowell among others. Several assembly members support it too, there's a massive campaign at Kings and there are 1500+ members of a facebook campaign.

ELL2 could have been quite good but BoJo and TFL signed a deal with the DFT which basically shafted people round here. But don't let facts get in the way of your teabreak. (You work on the railways right, so you must be on a teabreak?)

Mb said...

Now you're sounding hysterical and a bit mental. These fellow supporters of yours, nuts you say? Well they're certainly misguided. You lot need to think a little more.

Sarah said...

Bellenden Village?! FFS

Mn said...

I can think of someone who should move to bell end

Anonymous said...

there no such place as Bellenden Village!!!

sicarts@msn.com said...

@Lou-Sorry Lou, how is ELL2 bad for Wandsworth Town?
We have another salon over there and I haven't heard anyone complaining about it ELL2. The transport links are excellent from that station thus making the area incredibly popular with city professionals.
I'm not disagreeing with you but I was unaware there was a problem-please furnish me with further details-thanks.

Tyrwhitt Michael said...

Went to last night's exhibition which was not very easy to find and quite some way from being easily accessible by public transport.

Why it wasn't at say Surrey Quays shopping centre I don't know?

Little information was presented that is not already on the LU website but there was a good aerial photo of the old New Cross Speedway track. The remnants of this lie alongside the new link.

I did get a limited edition Travel card wallet but they did have the new tube map which is out this week with the Highbury and Islington extension on it.

TM said...

should have read did NOT have the new tube map etc etc.........

Lou Baker said...

@sicart

Sorry, I meant Wandsworth Road, not Wandsworth Town.

The problem with ELL2 is that it makes services from half the stations on the route dramatically worse.

Wandsworth Rd and Clapham High Street both lose all their direct trains to central London (4 per hour). Denmark hill loses all its direct trains to London Bridge. So you can no longer get from King's to St Thomas' without changing.

An interchange at Brixton would mitigate some of the problems - that's too expensive. So too, apparently, is the proposed Victoria to Bellingham service. The ELL can't be partly rerouted to Victoria because of a dodgy deal between TFL and Southern and noone seems to have thought about terminating it at Battersea Park.

It's just not a very well thought out project.

Anonymous said...

Clapham High St loses it's direct trains to central London? Have you seen the tube station next door?

Lou Baker said...

It's about 500 metres away. But is still useless if you're going to Victoria.

And Wandsworth Road has no tube station nearby.

I know there's a misguided assumption on here that all these things are done for decent, honest reasons but that is not the case with this line.

currentbuns said...

Lou, a simple change at Stockwell for the Victoria Line will suffice.

Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road are the least used stations on the current Inner South London Line.

They will benefit from refurbishment and staffing throughout the day once the ELL launches.

ELL1 has beaten all expectations by TfL. Just go to Canada Water during the weekday peak to see the hoards of passengers changing for the Jubilee. It was a change for the better on our line and will benefit those stations on ELL2 who will see the benefits of avoiding London Bridge and the Southern cattle trucks.

Grover said...

More like 500 ft Lou

Lou Baker said...

Maybe you think 'transport improvements' should make peoples journeys harder.

I don't. Expecting some passengers to have significantly longer journeys and to change at least once, possibly twice - when they used to go direct - is unquestionably not an improvement.

I understand that many of you believe the corporate bull you receive from TFL and others without question but there is no doubt you're wrong on this one.

As I said ELL2 could have been a good project. But corners have been cut, mitigation measures have not been put in place and the people of south London have lost out again.

But I don't expect Nick, Monkeyboy or anyone on here to describe the project as another other than a wonderful success. Because that would require just a little too much research into the facts rather than the spin.

Brockley Nick said...

Actually Lou, if I were a local resident in some of the destinations served, I would be in two minds about its benefits. But from a Brockley point of view it's great. A handy connection to Clapham.

Mb said...

Some people have lost out, more have gained. That's a basic property of almost all modifications to the system. I've gained. You've lost. I suspect I'm in the larger group.

Lou Baker said...

I will frame your replies as proof that you have, finally, accepted that this is not an entirely wonderful thing.

Though actually, Nick, a far better outcome for Brockley would not be ELL2 as planned it would have been the introduction of a Victoria-Bellingham service, via Nunhead and Crofton Park.

More trains to these stations, plus direct ones from Crofton Park to Victoria AND a quicker journey to Clapham Junction.

Incidentally, I am one of the ones who'll potentially benefit from ELL2. But I am standing up for the downtrodden masses who'll suffer.

hark, is that a violin I hear? said...

Oh your such a gent, Lou. Why not go and get a job on the railways, that way you can influence these decisions and stop the downtrodden masses from being kicked any further?

mb said...

Obviously Lou, I think you agreed that the ELL was a marginal improvement for Brockley. I disagree, for most it's a big enhancement. That's what it's like in the real world, balancing cost/benefit.

I'm still happy that there is a net improvement. The fact that the Southern trains in the morning are emptier since the ELL started running seems to validate my position.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm due a tax funded tea break.

Tommo said...

@ Lou.
Passengers from Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye etc will be able to use the ELL2 to Canada Water and change to the Jubilee. As the ELL2 has double the frequency of trains compared to the previous service, overall journey times will fall for the mostpart, despite the need to change (oh the horror).

I lived very close to Clapham North for a year or so and didn't use Clapham High Street Station once (mainly due to the low frequency of trains). If ELL2 had been running, I would have used it frequently to travel to Canary Wharf and Clapham Junction.

Clapham High Street station is more like 100 yards from Clapham North, not 500.

You suggested the ELL2 should terminate at Battersea Park. Why would that be of any use to anyone? Clapham Junction is massively useful interchange. You can catch a train from CJ to pretty much anywhere in the south west London and south west England from there as well as Victoria and Waterloo.

Hugh said...

Nick, if you love Brockley so much why do the house prices fascinate you?

Brockley Nick said...

@Hugh - who said they do? I write about lots of issues on this site that don't personally interest me.

In fact, as the opening sentence makes clear, the reason for running this story was because lots of people had mentioned it / sent it to me. The article also points out that it's not about local house prices, but about the fact that the ELL is continuing to build buzz about this part of the capital. I know many people like Brockley being "unknown". I don't.

Hugh said...

Your gaff ent on sale then.

Brockley Nick said...

No.

Monkeyboy said...

Hugh! I thought you were in jail, dead or worse, Ealing?

Anonymous said...

Ealing is Dead.

Brockley Nick said...

Pretty sure that this is a different Hugh. Hugh, can you confirm you are not the same Hugh who used to poste on this site, who was obsessed with house prices and antagonising those with less money than him?

Mb said...

Well no, WORSE than dead! It's void, like Prince Williams personality.

[I'd like to appologies in advance for cheap, childish, mean royal jokes. It'll be the only thing keeping me sane until they've got spliced and f**ked off into obscurity and the pages of Hello! Magazine]

Return of the Troll said...

Gulp. I think it might be the same Hugh. The sneering tone of the first post....the confrontational tone of the second.....the random move into pseudo street slang in the third....

NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo......

Return of the Troll said...

Gulp. I think it might be the same Hugh. The sneering tone of the first post....the confrontational tone of the second.....the random move into pseudo street slang in the third....

NOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo......

Brockley Nick said...

But old Hugh loved nothing better than house price talk.

Monkeyboy said...

Thing is, was the old Hugh the original Hugh? Original Hugh was far more jolly. Hugh is like The Stig, a Brockley Central construct.

Anonymous said...

Clapaham high st rail to clapham north tube 0.2 miles, less if your a crow, for humans, a 4 min walk. Lou. Please!

Headhunter said...

At the risk of sounding like a broken record too, the ELL is a benefit but at a cost and it's certainly not all it's hyped up to be. Woman who sits next to me at work lives in Denmark Hill and she's not happy about the loss of central London connections in return for a link to Clapham...

I think the original Hugh disappeared a long time ago. If you look at the tone of his posts back in 07 or 08 they were different.

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