TRYangle domestic abuse intervention centre closes

Lewisham's TRYangle centre, which offers counselling and advice to families experiencing domestic abuse, is closing.

In a letter sent to supporters this week, Project Manager Stuart Cameron wrote:

I am sad to announce the closure of TRYangle, we will not be taking any more referrals and will be winding down our operations. It has become increasingly difficult to obtain additional funding due to government cuts, despite the proven success of TRYangles pilot programme in Lewisham they do not have the funds to continue to use our services and recently we have been refused a grant for the third time by the Big lottery.

Thanks to Mike for the story.

46 comments:

Sue said...

I've never heard of this organisation - can anyone provide a bit more info - how long have they been operating, how many people have they worked with, what kind of success rate did they have etc? It sounds like an important service that we shouldn't lose - working with abusers to change their behaviour, rather than simply accepting it as a never-ending cycle. Potentially more cost-effective than dealing with repeat offenders and the impact it has on their victims, too.

Anonymous said...

yes never heard of this organisation. More info please...

Anonymous said...

Is this closing due to Government funding cuts rather than Council cuts.

cutcut said...

Government and Council cuts are one and the same - the council is a form of government, plus Lewisham needed to cut its funding because of receiving less from the central coffers.

Anonymous said...

So the Council chose to cut it then.

Coney said...

If this was an effective organisation then this sounds really sad. Govt thinking is that philanthropy - charity giving will plug the funding gaps of effective social/voluntary organisations.

highhorse said...

I attended a conference on domestic violence (DV) recently and was stunned to hear of the impact on children - it's proven to cause neurological changes in the brain! Also additional studdies have shown that the stress levels and truama of kids who experience DV is greater than that of returning Vietnam war veterans. Never underestimate the damage DV inflicts on us all - becaue damaged children then become damaged adults... Closing this group down would be criminal!

Anonymous said...

Coney, are you being deliberately slow? Yes the council may choose local priorities. Central government and their rules on raising money make decisions like this inevitable. Eric pickles will be dead pleased you fell for his scam.

Anonymous said...

, are you being deliberately slow? Yes the council may choose local priorities. Central government and their rules on raising money make decisions like this inevitable. Eric pickles will be dead pleased you fell for his scam.

Anonymous said...

Doh! Not coney...the other chap. What evs

Anonymous said...

Who's slow?

The elected Mayor stood on a mnadate supported by fellow councillors of making cuts of at least £60m. The Mayor had asked officers to propose cuts as far back November 2009, the people of Lewisham chose him to make cuts.

After the cuts were announced residents of Ladywell elected a councillor who supports the Mayor's cuts.

In Bellingham the Labour candiate trounced all the other candidates.

The people of Lewisham have shown time and again that demand cuts in spending.

Those opposed to any cuts were cast aside by the electors of Lewisham.

Cazza said...

disgusting

Coney said...

How much would keeping this service open cost? Who knows? But what we can see is that there's money a plenty, to commit to an(other) open ended conflict in the middle east. The priorities...

Brockley Nick said...

You could argue that wanting to prevent a massacre by a lunatic is quite a good priority.

Anonymous said...

'it's proven to cause neurological changes in the brain!'

Hmm but so does drinking coffee and eating buns.

max said...

Anon 19:44, you're giving a bad name to legitimate pedants.

Lou Baker said...

Cuts is such a negative word.

The government us not cutting spending. It is normalising spending.

The problem is that the last Labour government 'spent' cash it didn't have.

Lots of these things people now whine they can't do without were paid for on the national credit card. How dishonest was Gordon Brown? At least Cameron and Clegg are telling the truth about our situation.

Now you can argue that they should deal with it differently - by raising taxes even higher for example - but you can't argue that it's a problem that doesn't need sorting.

As for domestic violence: if you beat your partner or your kids you are lowlife cowardly scum. We should deal with you by cutting your balls off.

? said...

What about if your a load, opinionated bully? Who constantly derides and sneers at someone? That kind of behaviour may be tolerated by the victim but could could well be described as abuse, or at least show signs of abusive propensities. Sounds like this kind of scheme would possibly help those with those traits understand their actions and learn ways of expressing themselves less agressivley. Shame, I know someone who could do with a session.

Lou Baker said...

@?

Sounds like the sort of wet sandal wearing pinko loony response which has landed this country in such hot water.

I do not bully or intimidate my family or friends. I sneer only at those who deliberate disobey our rules and those who feel they don't have to do their share.

You can sympathise with -and apologise for - society's detritus all you like. I choose to show them the contempt they deserve.

Even more ? said...

Who's sympathising? I'm simply suggesting that dealing with and curing aberrant behaviour when it's at a low level is better then simply ignoring it until it becomes serious enough to be classed as a crime. You see? It's not a complex idea. Things are not black and White Lou, you learn that when you have a few years behind you.

Love the "pinko sandal wearing" jibe, gives your position exactly the authoritative tone it deserves.

Robert said...

Lou. You are really quite the bigot aren't you? I know many people laugh off your posts here as the musings of their funny little Tory blog pet. However describing those families that have suffered from domestic abuse as "society's detritus' is beyond the pale. Your sink or swim view of life is worrying. Perhaps you have the view that a healthy society should have a fair share if both winners and losers? Let me ask you this. How does a child born into a family caught in the crippling cycle of abuse, neglect and poverty have a fighting chance of becoming a "winner" in your game if life? I'm not saying it's impossible but one thing I'm sure of - organisations such as the one being discussed in this thread give these families a better chance to break free. Yes, we tax payers foot the bill - but I am very happy to do so. I can't think of a better use for the money I hand over to the public purse every month.

Lou Baker said...

@Robert

Actually I described the abusers - and not the abused - as society's detritus.

And as you will know if you've read my posts I believe kids who've had a bad start in life - like abusive families - deserve the best possible chance from the state.

I've said, elsewhere, they should get the chance to go to the top independent schools - at taxpayers expense.

Too often these kids have a rotten lot in life. A bad start made worse by years in a failing care system. Isn't it something silly like half of kids in care end up in prison? I don't recall the exact figure but it's shockingly high.

I think we should move the world for these kids. It's not only morally right but will also save money in the long run.

But it suits your purpose to make up lies and untruths about me because that fits better with Lou's bad boy image.

Robert said...

Lou, it is an image you have done well to cultivate. If you are going to make controversial and unpalatable comments on this blog, you should do well to clearly qualify your position. I am willing to withdraw my previous statement - to an extent - but I'm ready to pounce again if needs be!

Anonymous said...

What Lou fails to acknowledge is that abusers are often come from families where this kind if abuse happens. So this kind of scheme tackles the cause not the outcome. People are rarley born evil, they are created by their environment. Yes they should be condemned but they were often victims when young. Or even victims and perpetrators at the same time. Complicated? Yes. But black and White distinctions that the tabloids love rarely help.

Hugh for PM said...

Who else hears the wailing of sirens in Lewisham and thinks "More bleedin' taxes of mine funding services responding to interchav violence"?

If chavs are going to behave like animals with all that state support, how much worse could it be if we saved the money?

Step away from the keyboard said...

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

Lou Baker said...

@anon

Which is why you tackle it early and you help kids who're the victims of abuse.

Harsh as it sounds turning things round when they're adults is infinitely harder - it's best to concentrate resources where they can be best used.

Anonymous said...

So we're agreed that a body that offers help to those who think they need help with their behaviour it gets out of hand is a good thing rather than wait until it arices on the police radar as a criminal issue? Sounds like one should be set up an organisation offering help to those who are willing to, and are seeking, help themselves. Police tenis expensive and could be too late. Oh......

Anonymous said...

....sorry for the dodgy iPhone typing

Hugh for the Nobel Prize said...

As usual, Lou is talking more sense than the rest of you. There are a few exceptional individuals who can outgrow a deprived childhood, and more power to them. The rest tend to be basket cases whose children should receive all the support. Sadly, however, even there it is an uphill battle. There is something to be said, therefore, for writing off a few generations and looking to achieve something in 30 or 40 years from now. Ah, but future generations aren't here to vote that through and the incumbent generations hardly will. A bit like the England football team debate. But for similar reasons, stasis is more probably than real change. It's why anyone with enough money tends to withdraw from the debate and get on with enjoying things they can control.

Lou Baker said...

But not necessarily this organisation.

If it's good it'll survive. But 'counselling and advice' - how wishy washy.

We need to be much more forthright. I, for example, can give you counselling and advice. If you're with a bloke (or a woman) and they abuse you - they are a scum bag and you need to get out immediately. No ifs, no buts - report them to the police the first time it happens and get out.

If you are an abuser you deserve to have your picture published in every paper, a mugshot plastered on posters around town. See how manly you are when you realise virtually everyone despises you low-life scum. And live in fear of never knowing whether or not a random stranger will decide it's time for you to face justice. We need to stop worrying about the 'human rights' of these scumbags. In opting out of civilised society they have opted out of humanity and have, by definition, waived their claim to any such rights.

I reckon public lashings and chopping their balls off would stop the abusers pretty darn quickly.

max said...

Lou, stop making a spectacle of yourself please.

People stay in abusive relatioships despite being victims because they don't have sufficient access to advice and support to overcome the emotional reasons that keep them in those relationships.
I don't know anything about this specific group that can't get funding but these services need public funding.

Coney said...

Yeah Sharia Law!

Anonymous said...

We're talking about low level abuse that could lead to something more sinister. If a loudmouth, controling bully recoginises his behaviour is damaging then 'counseling & advise' can certainly help. Not so different to Post traumatic stress, we send service men into brutalising situations and they can return as damaged individuals. Do we 'cut their balls off' or do we recognise that their behavious can be changed? It can, and is, changed and should be encouraged rather than wait for them to go off the rails. Like I say Lou, the abuser was often the victim of abuse. It's a cycle of behaviour, why not just throw abused teenagers into prison before they start abusing? would save a few quid.

Lou Baker said...

Prison is expensive.

You help the youngsters through education.

And, yes, there are degrees of abuse.

But we need zero tolerance and that may mean many balls have to come off.

Society would benefit as it would could stop
unsavoury folk from reproducing

max said...

Don't let your anger control you Low, maybe some counselling and advice would do you good.

Robert said...

"Stop unsavoury folk from reproducing".

Oh dear Lou. And just when I thought we'd turn a corner. Have you spawned yet? Is it to late for intervention? Your opinions are coming across like the Third Reich.

Ed CPZ said...

For many, the answer to the crime problem can be summed up in just one word: Bring back Borstal!

DJ said...

It's all about pain and genitals with Lou. If I were his wife I'd be worried (and possibly insane, but that's another matter).

exoteric said...

It does make one see how the Holocaust could have come about, when you read the comments of intelligent, articulate, opinionated people who casually lump humankind into crude categories and then write them off.

Ed CPZ said...

Such irony!

max said...

Godwin wins again.

Anonymous said...

The nazis loved a bit of organic

Creina said...

TRYangle launched in March 2003. TRYangle offers a service for women alongside the men’s programme to help the whole family.

Our women’s services offer group support, information, counselling, safety planning and individual support work. The role of the women’s services is to support survivors of domestic violence and their children and to work with other agencies to ensure their safety and well-being.

The men’s 18 week theraputic programme is designed to help perpetrators identify any fears or insecurities that may be behind their actions so that they can work towards removing them.

TRYangle also provides counselling to men and women.

We have helped 706 families and have recieved very positive feedback from service users.

We are doing our very best to secure funding.Please reply to this comment if you have funding suggestions.

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Anonymous said...

I am an abused wife with two young children, this organisation has probably saved my life and the lives of many more. If it was not for them I would probably still be living in fear.

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