The online home for all things Brockley (SE4), St John's, Ladywell, Nunhead and Telegraph Hill
Brockley Road was taped off this morning, following a serious incident near the Esso Garage. Uncofirmed reports on Twitter suggest it was a stabbing. We will try to confirm the details later.
Howsen Rd is also closed
Does anyone know what happened on Upper Brockley Road on Tuesday evening? When I got home from work the big detached house at the Brockley Cross end was all taped off and what looked like significant amounts of blood were all over the entranceway.It seems to be a bit of an April trend in this area - remember the spate of shootings this time last year?
@J - someone else asked me about that one. No details, I know of. Maybe a domestic accident?
According to the News Shopper a youth was stabbed yesterday 9.20pm,he is said to be in a serious but stable condition.
Spring is back in Brockley. Serious disturbance also near the construction site on harefield road. A gang of kids has chosen the corner as meeting point.
We saw the victim collapse on Brockley Road. He had a stab wound to his chest. He was probably only 18 or 19.The police arrived within minutes and cordoned off Brockley Road. It is still closed now.Rumors vary from a robbery in the petrol station and a car hijacking! think more likely that it was a fight that turned messy. Very upsetting for the victim and witnesses. Just hope he survives the attack.
Probably the wrong person in the wrong place.Unfortunately this is a common thing in London now.
We saw the aftermath of the incident on Upper Brockley Road. A man was lying on the floor in the doorway of that big house, with lots of blood. From the way it looked I guessed it was a stabbing. Police and paramedics were there and they didn't seem to be in a rush to move the victim into the ambulance so we were concerned he might not have survived whatever happened. As we were out walking for the first time with a brand new baby we didn't hang around to find out more.
So where is the police patrolling that was promised last years after the foxberry road murder? Brockley is going from bad to worse
The Police cant be everywhere 24/7.
On Thursday evening around 7:30 pm there was also a load of blood on the pavement on Brockley Road outside the off licence (opposite the bookies) on the stretch where Costcutter is. The ambulance was just leaving as I arrived. I've no idea what happened but as there were no police present assumed it was not a "serious"incident.
Well not 24/7, but if they just showed their face once a year it would be an improvement.
I live on Brockley road, and i can confirm it was stabbing, a young man was stabbed in the chest,this happened somewhere over the flats, he then staggered across the road and then collapsed outside the house, that is why the house was taped off, after the attack I did hear that they then ran off and tried to take a mans car and then ran in the garage. The road was shut and myself and neighbours had to be escorted along the road to come home and were not permitted to leave our houses due to the forensics examining the whole area, the police this afternoon were still looking for the weapon, as they knocked on all the houses to inform them that they were searching their gardens.I've lived in this area for many years and this is becoming very worrying, as this seems to be happening far too much. I just hope the man pulls through, my thoughts are with his fsmily.
it really feels unsafe when walking around Brockley Road, and the station in the evening.
Why is that strip such a hotbed for crime? Do we know if this was a random mugging or was it gang related?
I dont know but i was told the man who got stabbed was with a lady!
"why hotbed for crime?" Have you seem how many council houses there are around there?Plus the hairdresser across the street, next to the dismissed funeral homes, was/is a meeting point for people drinking and arguing
"why hotbed for crime?"Have you seem how many council houses there are around there?Can you expand on this point please?
Oh come on Coney, you know what it means.
Actually, that hair dressers reminds me of "Desmonds" :) Growing up in the country, i always remember thinking "why would anyone hang socialise in a hair dressers?" Then i moved to London! I still don't understand it!
Yeah I don't get the appeal of a hairdressers as a recreational spot either. Isn't it where you go to get your hair cut?
No I don't *know* what it means, is it about class issue or race issue and/or both. I think it's important people say what they feel.
I used to hang round the chinese takeaway in muswell hill. They had defender and you could get extra credit with some crafty work with a length of wire in the coin slot.Youngsters hang round in all sorts of odd places, if there was a shopping centre near by they would be in there. I know I would. Relax, your very unlikely to be killed Clockwork Orange style.
Kebab Shop, Blackheath Standard. Golden Axe.
Ah Kebab, reminds me of Jacqui Smith...http://brockleycentral.blogspot.com/2008/01/would-jacqui-smith-buy-kebab-in.html
Have you not noticed how many hairdressers in south London seem to do more trade at night? Not haircuts though...
No I haven't noticed that hairdressers also are drug dealers actually as well actually. Such a retarded 'observation'.The reason that black hairdressers are open so late is that it takes an incredibly long time to do certain hairstyles. Braids for example can take 10 hours to do. Combined with other cultural elements, such as black women taking an enormous amount of pride in their hair, then it's no wonder that these places become little social hang outs. Obviously men hang out there too chatting up the ladies.It's just not part of white culture the same way humous and Wes Anderson films aren't part of theirs.
Black barber shops are open late becasue they have always been more than simply a place to get ones hair cut. Historically they were among the first Black businesses set up by new arrivals from the Caribbean. They not only offered a service that couldn't be provided by white barbers but also a place to meet without experiencing prejudice.I believe it is a sort of right of passage that young men go through, you are taken by your father (uncle, cousin etc) when you are young but are expected to be quiet and listen to your elders, as you become older you can participate in discussions, but will be challenged and laughed at if you say anything stupid... It has long een a way of providing boys with older male influences if they don't have a present father.So to suggest in a snide way tha Black barbers are open late becasue of some kind of illcit reason is not only bigoted but truely demonstrates your ignorance of the community you live in.
Very interesting anon above, and well put.
To the annoymous comment on council tennants....Council houses does not equate to crime just like being a homeowner does not equate to being pompous self righteous ignorant etc... ignorant comments like these is what causes the divide and rift in our community. Do you turn a blind eye? What do you do in the community?
So the conclusion is the barber with a pair of scissors in the hotbed of crime?(")The police were more to the point..."So these people you saw running away, black were they?"Incidentally the victim was white!
colonel Mustard, with a candle stick, in the library....oh they've all been shut...
"Unfortunately this is a common thing in London now."This is sadly true :( Now is certainly the most violent London has ever been.
No - read anything about Elizabethan or Victorian London... In the past violence was too casual and too much a part of everyday life to be worthy of note. At least the generality of people are shocked by it now and I think the statistics (insofar as they can be reliable from historic times) show that there is less of it.
Certainly? Hardley. The figures are mixed to say the least, some violent crime is down, some is up. Overall there is no evidence of an explosion of violence against the person. I'd rather be in London now than in 1860.
Pity these youngsters dont listen to there elders when they are taken to the hairdressers then.
I read BC less and less, fed up with the regular ignorant (and condoned)comments relating to the black community in Brockley. Black hair dressers stay open late therefore they're potential drug dealers!? Wow!This may come as a shock to the more affluent members of the community,but many small businesses need to work long hours to stay in profit, and black hairdressers do this by catering for customers who can't make it during the day as they are working.Regarding the 'incident'sadly there are similar crimes happening every week in all the major cities of England, but they're not all reported on the evening news. It's not unique to London or Brockley.
I think there is a difference between condoning racist comments and ignoring them.Challenging those morons can result in a spectacular waste of time where you end up explaining about hairdressers when the subject is racial prejudice.They say, never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.I don't belive that's true, they are easily exposed, but sometimes I don't consider them worth of my time.
It never ceases to perplex me that someone can read a thread where someone (let's call them Person A) posts a reactionary, ill-informed opinion, that is subsequently demolished by reams of other readers (let's call them Persons B, C, D and E) and then conclude that the problem with the site is that it is overrun by people like Person A.As for the suggestion that I in any way condone the opinions of Person A, that is bang out of order. I believe in plurality and debate and I believe the best way to change opinion is through debate, rather than censorship. Sometimes, when Person A mouths off, I will argue their points head on. Other times, there are plenty of other people who are willing and better able to do that. (I'm also not omnipresent, btw - today, I have mostly been in darkest Kent, without easy access to or desire to be on the internet). Lots of smart people got there first.As a result of this thread, the one or two people who erroneously thought that there was something sinister about black hairdressers being open late have been put straight. What could be better than that?By the way, I never understood why the barbers as a social hotspot should be such an alien concept to the early posters - you don't have to be black to spend a lot of time at salons.
I love the way Brockley people are viewing this incident like a particularly enjoyable episode of Miss Marple
Linsay Lohan, 11 hours at the barbers...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1203237/Lindsay-Lohan-goes-bleached-blonde--11-hours-hair-salon.html
"I love the way Brockley people are viewing this incident like a particularly enjoyable episode of Miss Marple"Can you say so because you've done a research on how people feel about it?
It sure as hell isn't Midsomer Murders!
Well, there is a racist writer here too.
"They say, never argue with an idiot"You know Max, I couldn't agree with you more.
I disagreed with that actually.
Brockley Nick, Thank you for the correct use of the word "reactionary".My heroSwoons
Hi Nick, It may be that your post was in response to my post, and I hope that you will be as passionate and use as much hyperbole to response to those borderline racist remarks I do see cropping up on BC. I am not suggesting that you personally condone it or that there is anything you can or should do about. Free speech and all that. As I said I read BC less and less, so take your word on it that moderators response to these posts. The way you feel about my remarks or any perceived negative remark about BC and it's vitural community,as 'bang out of order', is how I feel about a REAL community and REAL human beings. Probably 99% of whom have nothing to do with crime, yet get linked to it, based on skin colour!Still consider BC a great source of local information, just will stick to reading the headlines I guess.
not sure were the reference to black people came from. While there is a meaningfull correlation between gangs and council estates, it is not true or meaningfull the reverse correlation i.e. living in a council estete does not mean being a gang member (far from it) but being a gang member means in most cases living in a council estate."A sink estate is a British council housing estate characterised by high levels of economic and social deprivation. Such estates are not always high crime areas although there is a strong correlation between crime rates and sink estates in large urban areas. Sink estates are predominantly found in North and East London (including North West/North East) and in the boroughs of Camden, Islington, Haringey, Newham, Tower Hamlets and Hackney.Thus, the Harefield estate on the edge of Southampton was a sink estate in the last quarter of the twentieth century even though its crime rate was significantly lower than that of inner city areas. In London, however, all the no-go areas (such as the estates in Peckham before its regeneration, Harlesden or Gospel Oak) are sink estates."By the way I lived in a council estate and that was my experience.
@Node - I know for a FACT that some of these late night barber shops offer more than just a haircut. It's not completely out of the realms of possibility now is it?
A good programme from BBC4 on Council Housing, was on last night, hopefully it'll light a match the heads of some on the commenters on council housing in this threadhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0109dvs/The_Great_Estate_The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Council_House/
Post a Comment
Click one of the labels below to see all posts on that subject. The bigger the label, the more posts there are!
Home Page |
Back to Top of Page