Lewisham Library Campaigners Go To Downing Street

Gus: That's a bloody outrage, it is! I want to take this all the way to the Prime Minister. [they go down to a lake] Oi! Mr. Prime Minister! Andy!
Andy: [floating naked on an inner tube with a beer] Eh, mates! What's the good word?
- Bart vs Australia

The People Before Profit party took their campaign to prevent the Council from 'closing five libraries'* across the borough to Downing Street.

The South London Press has the story, reporting:


John Hamilton, from the Lewisham People Before Profit Party, said on the rally: “We are asking David Cameron to ask him to step in and overrule the council’s decision.

These libraries are important facilities that are well used by people.

We are not giving up the fight to save them.”

*Only New Cross is actually threatened with closure, the others are being transferred in to the care of social enterprises, with the Blackheath library collection being relocated. See here for details.

54 comments:

Anonymous said...

It happened last week, it did not clash with the US Presidents visit

Brockley Nick said...

Thanks! Forget that not all news sources are instantaneous!

Anonymous said...

yes, god forbid that reading the story properly should get in the way of another patronising dig at a group of people with views differing from yours.

Brockley Nick said...

That isn't / wasn't what the story does, however, I do think it's important for the debate to be honest. If you think libraries shouldn't be transferred out of public management, that's a legitimate position. Saying all five are closing is not true.

Tom Wolfe (not) said...

God forbid that all news outlets, hyperlocal or not, should be a sterile list of facts. Good journalism is not without some opinion or emphasis. The forum is open for alternative views.

Anonymous said...

Between 20 and 30 demonstrators the SLP report says. Did they get that many votes?

Lou Baker said...

The latest according to the Newshotter:

The Lewisham People Before Profit Party went to Downing Street today demanding more hand-outs for chavs.

Chief corduroy wearer Unshaven Steve said "Why should we work for a living when we can label someone on a modest wage as 'rich' and get them to pay higher taxes to fund our benefits?"

Bumwipe Betty, 32, added "How can me, my 7 children and their 5 fathers be expected to share an 8 bedroomed house? That's almost 2 per room. It's a disgrace."

The group are also angry at plans to close some libraries. Steve said "It means my nearest library will be 1.5 miles away, much more than the 1.3 miles I travel now. I don't borrow books much, but people like me need to know it's there - funded by someone else."

Betty admitted never contributing anything much to society but claimed it was a good thing. "Having unprotected sex with a stream of ignorant tattooed men is something that has to be done. By servicing them I am servicing society."

Council chief Lord Ballcock of Crofton Park admitted the cuts would hit Lewisham especially hard as the borough averages almost 2 pairs of sandals per resident.

Bakerloo said...

Classy, Lou, classy. Sneering at those not as fortunate as you has always been a defining feature of your brainless, cheap shots. Unimaginative, unkind, shedding no light on any issue. Like Jeremy clarkson without the wit.... Which is saying something. Grownups, like nick, may not agree with the protestors but he manages to construct an argument. Your posts basically resort to abusing people who are at the bottom of the pile.

Are you REALLY a journalist? With analysis like yours I expect it's a middling publication. One of those disposable trade mags perhaps?

Lou Baker said...

Classy, yes. Journalist, no.

And, no, I don't sneer at those less fortunate than me.

I firmly support helping society's least fortunate.

However, the genuinely needy are denied the proper help they deserve because too much time, effort and money goes on lazy, workshy, scroungers. Too much effort goes on the dishonset, criminals and lawbreakers. Too much on the corrupt penny pinchers

These people - and those who apologise for them - are the ones I sneer at. You should despise them too.

Bakerloo said...

Lou, you're reverting to the tabloid bogeyman. Assuming that most claimants are work shy scroungers etc, etc.... Yes, there will always be those who abuse the system. Rich and poor. Your cheap abuse just stigmatises all those who claim support. There's no satire in your comments, it's bile pure and simple. The equivalent of the school bully victimising the kid on free school meals. Stop with the crocodile tears, it's make me nauseous. I can see you curling your lip and holding your nose as you pass some social housing. Very unpleasant.

Coney said...

"Too much on the corrupt penny pinchers"


Benefit 'scrounging' is as rationally defensible as tax avoidance. Yet it's the people at the weaker end of the scale you focus upon.

Mondee said...

I thought it was quite funny actually. Honestly, people on here are so desperate to be PC - get a sense of humour. Lou is just poking fun. You're just predisposed to finding everything he says deeply offensive.

Anonymous said...

I think it was just fortunate somebody stepped in and saved some or most of them.

Bakerloo said...

Poking fun at those at the bottom of the pile, tends to be crass and unpleasant. Nasty schoolboys and Bernard Manning are great exponents. His humour is a little 1970's, mean,vindictive and acutally not very imaginative. Read it back, it's as if it was written by a spotty youth.

patrick1971 said...

I always love it when people shout "stigmatising" as a way of stifling any criticism of the welfare state. If you suffocate argument, you won't have to bother actually examining any evidence!

I did have a guilty snicker at "by servicing them I am servicing society". I could imagine some self-serving social worker saying exactly that.

Durr! said...

Patrick, read Lou's post. It's not critisising the welfare state, it's laughing at those using it. The implication is that they are feckless loosers. It's not complex, laughing at blind people falling off a station platform is not the same as deriding TfLs performance in providing accesable stations for the disabled. Do you see? No..... you don't

Anonymous said...

Poor Bakerloo covering up his sense of humour deficit by climbing into a pulpit.

Humour is a form of cruelty, it is generally "a laughing at". That is why you don't get it. Lou at least has a sense of humour, you I sense are devoid of this most human of characteristics.

Little Brockley said...

Dear oh Dear, now we have the Louist tendency defining humour for us. Will it be doled out to those hard working enough to deserve it, and kept from the workshy scrounger?

Unshaved Steve said...

Whoa, Bumwipe Betty (bam-a-lam)
She really gets me high (bam-a-lam)

bakerloo said...

Looks like we're agreed that Lou's humour is cruel and aimed at the victims not satire aimed at the failure of the benefit system.

Point made.

Anonymous said...

Go on then make me laugh with your satirising of the benefits system. You only have to be as funny as Lou, so the bar is not that high.

Read Howard Jacobson on the subject of humour. (He's an English novelist)

patrick1971 said...

One could ask, if this is really falsely stigmatising people, why does it ring so true? Especially this bit: "How can me, my 7 children and their 5 fathers be expected to share an 8 bedroomed house? That's almost 2 per room. It's a disgrace."

So often we hear this sort of complaint from people who don't realise how lucky they are to be in subsidised housing in the first place, or the complaints of "I'm in overcrowded accommodation", when they have had child after child after child despite living in a two bedroom flat and not having the means to afford anything larger.

Call me old-fashioned, but there should be some sort of stigma and criticism attached to this sort of feckless behaviour.

Eh? said...

Hey thanks Bakerloo. For some stupid reason I thought Bumwipe Betty was a made up character, not a victim. Sounds like you would actually defend her 5 fathers quote. Good on you for sticking up for people so whacked they would not know fortune unless it was in actual tenners.

Do you really think there is actual bullying/victimisation going here? That's pretty dumb

Tom said...

My instinct for local government to be local is confused by a march to Downing Street to complain about a decision taken in Lewisham.

Anonymous said...

Yes Patrick, perhaps. Its the norm is it? Or isn't a minority of claimants? They're all living high on the hog are they? Nice and neat.

Anonymous said...

"One could ask, if this is really falsely stigmatising people, why does it ring so true?"

Because you religiously read The Daily Mail?

Daily Star reader said...

"Because you religiously read The Daily Mail?"

Oh dear, is that not a stigma as well?

Would be nice for people to be able to express an opinion without people pigeon-holing them as 'Daily Mail readers'

Anonymous said...

oh ok The Sun then,
"TODAY The Sun is declaring war on feckless benefits claimants to slash the £5BILLION wasted in Britain's shambolic handouts culture.

Hundreds of thousands of scroungers in the UK are robbing hard-working Sun readers of their cash.

They cannot be bothered to find a job or they claim to be sick when they are perfectly capable of work because they prefer to sit at home watching widescreen TVs - paid for by YOU.
"

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3091717/The-Sun-declares-war-on-Britains-benefits-culture.html#ixzz1NMfPSAPD

Mb said...

This story has yet to be beaten. its an almost perfect example of deranged nonsense..... Or non-pc truth that the sandle wearers dont want to confront. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-5603545-asylum-seekers-eat-swans.do

Anonymous said...

Why so? It is only in puritan nations that squeamishness about eating such birds exists,as anyone who knows anything about European cuisine will attest. To me the eating of swans is a mark of an advanced and complex culture. Seeking the freshest ingredients is also usually commended, as is getting one over on our aristocracy. Spark up the barbie, I say.

drakefell debaser said...

As a connoisseur of European cuisine, anon, what is your recipe for swan?

Apparently, despite being a favourite of wealthy Tudors, swan is not that tasty.

The Vintner Company who are allowed by royal appointment to own swans, and used to eat one for their annual Swan Feast, have substituted it for chicken.

http://ow.ly/52yz5

Gramatavenger said...

I think you wanted 'chicken for it' there?

drakefell debaser said...

Oops, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Nasty Hissy Things, used to get them tangled in my lines at night whilst course fishing.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately many of the mungs on here have problems telling people to stop having kids over and over as it offends their human rights (and of course, kids are wonderful)

Anonymous said...

Eh? What's all that got to do with swans?

max said...

Without those scroungers there would surely be a lot of people that woldn't know who to feel superior to.

Anonymous said...

But there will always be you Max. I always feel superior to you.

max said...

Be my guest, that's free, you can afford that too.

Anonymous said...

Seems they are not much of an ingredient, according to Slashfood

"Never mind whether or not you've killed the thing - Sir Peter Maxwell Davies, a prominent British composer, got into trouble in March when investigators spotted portions of a swan carcass hanging in his back yard. Davies admitted to finding the swan, already dead, on his property, and said that after the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds told him to dispose of it, he used the leg and breast meat to make a terrine. "I’ve done it before and it really is delicious,” Davies told the Times of London. The carcass was confiscated and the investigation is pending.

What I wonder is, what's the big deal? Is swan so tasty that to sample it truly merits unlawful activity? Or is it more of a culinary extreme sports thing, like absinthe or certain raw milk cheeses, an item on a list to check off in order to prove that you're a real foodie? Since I don't really have any connections on the contraband bird market, I decided to comb the web to try to find out.
There's not much out there.


Read more: http://www.slashfood.com/2005/07/31/hacking-food-eating-swan/#ixzz1NN3JWCae"

Mb said...

My unle tried to catch a swan in Waterloo park. True story. Mind you he was foreign, but not an asylum seeker.

Anonymous said...

you can't eat swan because they aren't yours...
'the Monarch owns all wild swans living in open water - of the species called 'mute' swans. Other species of swans, and those owned by individuals are not owned by Her Majesty.'
also I've heard they taste like greasy, fishy duck Bleurgh

Anonymous said...

"you can't eat swan because they aren't yours..."

How timidly bourgeois you sound.

I'm an artist, I live by different rules.

prunella said...

Ooooooo. That makes you sound so edgy.

Swan eater, grrr!

Lou Baker said...

Next week Betty Bumwipe will mate with a swan and give birth to 7 ugly ducklings. All called Angel.

dude said...

Swanley and Swanella, surely.

Little Brockley said...

If you ask anyone from the vintners company, I bet they'd say that they taste just like chicken.

Little Brockley said...

Swans that is; just trying to keep on thread here.

Tamsin said...

Peacock is also quite edible. My dad, as an ex POW, would not waste food so when a fox mangled one of the peacocks so that it had to be put out of its suffering my mother cooked it (presumably after having cut away the fox-chewed bits).

Did give rise to a wonderful put-down opportunity. On the Monday following going home for the weekend of that particular Sunday roast a snide comment from a work colleague about home-made sandwiches and spam could be truthfully answered "No, peacock, actually."

Some of my father's fellow POWs also once cooked vulture for their prison guards. Apparently extremely gamey.

Little Brockley said...

Wild goose tastes like eel and mud thats textured like liver. Always wondered why they went about unmolested until I discovered that, one memorable evening.

Brockley Central said...

We have members that have gobbled many varieties of cock over the years but are now more partial to native Brockley fare.

Little Brockley said...

@BC I think you meant to be BDS no?

Brockley Dogging Society said...

Oops! Trust us to put a cock up!

Anonymous said...

Libraries are provided locally. However,due to the poor provision (where have we heard that before?) in the late 50s an enqiry was held and the government of the day passed the 1964 Public Libraries and Museums Act, which laid the responsibility for a "comprehensive and efficeient service for all residents" on the minister of state. He has the power to intervene where this does not happen. In that position Andy Burnham MP ordered an enquiry into The wirral proposal to close lots of libraries. The report stated what was required under the act,so The Wirral had to withdraw its proposals and Andy Burnham no longer had to intervene.
It was correct procedure, under the law, to ask the PM to ensure his ministers did their job.

Mark Upton

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