The Crystal Palace Overground Festival, August 10th-13th

All hail the East London Line. So grateful are the people of Crystal Palace for its ginger munificence that they've named their festival after it. And thanks to the ELL, the ritual sacrifices and virgin deflowerings that the festival presumably offers are within easy reach for Brockley residents:

The Crystal Palace Overground Festival will take place over 4 days, featuring over 50 attractions and 30 live acts, including local live music, poetry, theatre, comedy, film, food and fashion around the Crystal Palace Triangle, with events running in the week leading up to and during the main outdoor event itself at Westow Park.

Local bars will host gigs and DJs and there will be a ceramic workshop for children, a silent auction, painting and tailoring demonstrations, an open air cinema, shopping, including vintage and antiques and more.

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

There are virgins in Crystal Palace?

Anonymous said...

Yes, its called the Overground festival not ELL. ELL ceased to exist when the line moved from LU to LO.

Anon 2 said...

Well the underground isn't really called The Tube but everyone knows what it refers too. Get over it. If I say to people "jump on the ELL" they know I don't mean the overground in north London, formally known as the NLL.

MalB said...

Some of us think of the Overground as being all the mainline suburban railways around London, as it was before TfL stole the word. When referring to the London Overground lines, I refer to them thus to remove any confusion. The overground from Brockley goes to London Bridge; the London Overground doesn't.


Using ELL is potentially another way remove the wholly unnecessary confusion that TfL's PR people chose to introduce. It is not wrong - any more than calling the mainline the "London and Brighton line" is wrong.

Mb said...

It's not just PR to be fair. The management, governance, franchising and increasingly the technical standards are being drawn together by TfL under the "Overground" banner. The disparate parts now share the same boss so should increasingly work as a proper integrated rail service with the Tube (sorry, London Underground)

London Reconnections has a detailed write up if anyone wants a insomnia cure.

Anyway, poetry you say?

"there was a small cafe called Pho....."

Anonymous said...

@Anon2 you get over it! All the blagging is to push property prices and drive desirability for the area. We do enjoy a more frequent service to more destinations, but not on the ELL. Southern services etc are referred to as National Rail services, as you will hear on announcements and signage on any part of TfL network.

You link us (or any of you) to any TfL material referring to the Overground as TfL, as your talking out of your rears!

Anon 2 said...

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/modesoftransport/1558.aspx

Would you like another inch of rope to which to hang yourself?

Anon 2 said...

Or perhaps...

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/about-tfl/4510.aspx

Anon 2 said...

Or...

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/corporate/tfl-subsidiary-organisation.pdf

Brockley Nick said...

Anon, do you also like to go around telling people that there's no such thing as the Wembley Way, it's actually the Empire Way? Or berate people for referring to Upton Park Stadium, when it's actually the Boleyn Ground? Many things have official names and popular names. The East London Line is a handy descriptor that everyone understands. The Overground is a singularly unhelpful name, that applies to a huge sprawling network and which many people get confused with overland services.

Move along.

Anon 2 said...

Ok, ill shut up now...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Overground

Brockley Nick said...

Also, TfL seem rather keen on calling it the East London Line themselves. Here they are patting themselves on the back for winning an award for the East London Line extension http://bit.ly/n7eNXT

Anonymous said...

You link us (or any of you) to any TfL material referring to the Overground as TfL, as your talking out of your rears!

Overground was a typo and meant to say ELL as Overground. Send us a link since you creamed you pants, as above.

PS - Nick, don't he so desperate. and jump on the bandwagon (perhaps toe want to take a picture of a sign saying ELL at Brockley station). In real news, someone just got knocked out on the doorstep of The Barge.

FrFintonStack said...

If the ELL has ceased to exist, why do the electronic timetable boards at Canada Water say "East London Line" whenever they're not showing live timetables?

Brockley Nick said...

@Anon - I just gave you a link where TfL refers to it as the ELL. Now how about you admit defeat gracefully.

Anonymous said...

No - sorry Nick. That was the name of the construction project and not any London Overground services that operate, since completion of the project. Thanks for the link Nick.

FrFintonStack - thanks for your input, but those are legacy issues, such as signage on the network referring to British Rail or Southern branding where the Overground has took over service.

Brockley Nick said...

"That was the name of the construction project"

Indeed it was. The extension of the East London Line. Rather suggesting that it's perfectly legitimate to call the extended version we now use the East London Line. Thanks for proving the point.

Now you can go and have an argument with someone who thinks Star Wars is called Star Wars, whereas you know that it's actually called Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope, and only a weak minded fool would call it anything else.

Hanpolo said...

Anon - I suggest you let the Wookie win....

Anon 2 said...

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/metro/20225.aspx

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/archive/20185.aspx

"Mike Brown, the Managing Director of London Rail, Transport for London's rail division which manages the line, said: 'The East London extension of the London Overground is now a major transport artery connecting key hubs in north, east and south London"

Blimey, even the boss of London Rail is confused. The East London Route? The East London Extension?

Perhaps referring to each constituent bit by names that reflect the areas they serve is useful. The person responsible for it seems to agree.
Step away from the keyboard and take your medication.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2 - step away from the Kleenex and supply fact. Nowhere on the network since it has opened has been branded as ELL, since LU days. Stop pulling straws!

I suggest cocoa and Radio 4. Goodbye!

Anonymous said...

@Hanpolo maybe, but getting a cheap thrill!

Anon 2 said...

Pulling straws? Communication, verbal, written or otherwise seems a challenge for you.

Actually, what are we arguing about? it's a great service, it's colloquially known as the ELL. The people who run it use the term, the passengers use the term. It works for me, sorry if you find it confusing.

Anonymous said...

@Anon 2 as I said, get your cocoa. Your infantile reply show no evidence to prove your point.

Headhunter said...

OMG.... I mean I have argued about futile and pointless things myself on this site plenty of times, but this breaks new boundaries of futility and pointlessness....

Wendy Deng said...

oh blimey, a thread that Nick can win at - naming train lines - way to go Nick

Brockley Nick said...

I also win at spelling the names of famous people like Wendi Deng. It's a by-product of being right about things.

OverUnder said...

I've got a way round the problem. The ELL, Overground, Ginger Line, connects with the underground. I propose "The OverUnder". That way there can't be any possible mistake what one is referring to. What say you?

Anonymous said...

Must be your employment-associations with the Murdoch empire that informs your certainty Nick - you'd have to get her name right . . .

mb said...

I tried an experiment today. I said 'East london Line' to a fellow LU/TfL employee. He wrestled me to the ground and called security

(not really)

Brockley Nick said...

That and, you know, facts.

drakefell debaser said...

Anon, you should read this -- http://ow.ly/5MoTi

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