Two men charged with Howson Road murder

The News Shopper reports that two men have been charged with the murder of Matthew Clement, who was found dead on Howson Road in May last year. One of the men charged lives on Foxberry Road, Brockley.

Details here.

UPDATE: The News Shopper also reports that: Taurean Davis, aged 26, of no fixed abode, appeared in person at Croydon Magistrates' Court today charged with murder.

37 comments:

Charlie said...

hmmm Nick is it a good idea to harp on these types of stories?

Howdy said...

Theres no point reporting on it in the first place if its not going to be followed up.

pip said...

This isn't the Brockley Tourist Board. It's news, it's relevant to Brockley. A short article giving the bare details is hardly "harping on".

Howson Road said...

It is news. I would rather hear about it on here than not know at all.

Anonymous said...

"Harping on"? A short story is hardly harping on

d said...

yes there is a point in posting these things and the man who was killed happened to be my best friend

harefield road said...

please keep posting stuff like this it is greatly appreciated to have the low-down. thanks

Anonymous said...

thanks for keeping us updated on the problems

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Reg said...

D, I am sorry to hear abvout your loss, and to be commenting on other aspect of this that I feel I must. I hope further scrutiny doesn't add to your pain.

This is what concerns me here:

"Matthew Taylor, aged 23, of no fixed abode, and Perry Walters, aged 24, of Foxberry Road, Brockley, will appear at Greenwich Magistrates’ Court tomorrow (July 27)."

Why is Mr Taylor listed 'of no fixed abode'?

Could it be that he really is (or then was), or could it be that yet again we have another 'hostel dweller' - the actual abode of which is always withheld from the unsuspecting Brockley public, because it's a bail address?

Not the FBI said...

Lots of 'ifs' 'buts' and conclusions drawn from that. Why not let the process takes it's course before the amateur criminology that will not doubt result?

Anonymous said...

@Reg - no fixed abode - the answer is probably simple, following his mate steps he was waiting to be assigned a victorian house/flat by Lewisham Council.

No worries when he gets out he will be at the top of the waiting list, meanwhile working people have to move out of Brockley because of prices and scarcity of property offer.

The Council owns few hundreds victorian properties in Brockley. They should sell them to fund the services to the poor and needy and to facilitate accommodation also to those who work.

Anonymous said...

That is quite a different subject.

Reg said...

Clearly not the FBI...

Could it be that he really is (or then was), or could it be that yet again we have another 'hostel dweller' - the actual abode of which is always withheld from the unsuspecting Brockley public, because it's a bail address?

Not one "if" or "but" there. It was also a question.

Regardless of this particular case, you will notice a number of these 'no fixed abodes' in Brockley having gone, or coming, to trial. And the term will increase in usage - which suits the police, council and probation services. No ifs or buts about it.

Tressilliana said...

Firstly, my sympathies to this young man's family and friends.

Secondly - Reg, unless you have inside knowledge on this issue, you're speculating, which is what I understand by 'lots of ifs and buts'. There are plenty of young people drifting about who have no fixed address, having fallen out with their families or having left care on reaching adulthood. Do you know for sure that this term is mostly used by journalists to describe people who have been in a bail hostel?

In any case, what does it matter whether the accused was in a bail hostel or not? At least the people in the bail hostel are known to the authorities. There are plenty of violent, impulsive, amoral people living in South London who are not currently under any supervision at all. Fortunately they are massively outnumbered by the rest of us.

Reg said...

It's also a term agreed by the authorities to conceal an address.

Homeless can also be used to describe a number of persons who are not in fact homeless. All sort of issues may be taking place, cruelty by parent, etc. This would make them vulnerable and homeless -but should not as far as police are concerned.

In this case I mention it because I have seen it with other bailed to appear, convicted persons and so on.

Fortunately speculation is not yet restricted, or unlawful.

Anonymous said...

Err...two people have been CHARGED.

Shouldn't any speculation be stopped, forthwith?

hazeladams said...

thanks for updating.

Pete said...

Speculation can be prejudicial to a trial and can I think in the worst cases lead to a trial being abandoned so I suggest Reg and others stop.

Anonymous said...

Talking of hostels, i see they are asking for planning permission to change the care home on Manor Av to a hostel.

Charlie said...

Given that it was suggested that I focus on crime too much a few threads back, I simply asked whether it's such a good idea to be giving a running commentary of local crime. These types of stories do affect the way you feel about an area. Especially people who might be thinking of moving to an area.

Brockley Nick said...

Charlie, you reacted to one incident by declaring it to be a sign that the End Times had arrived. I am reporting the facts of a major incident without jumping to any conclusions. The two things are obviously quite different.

Charlie said...

Nick I simply asked a series of questions, in part to try and get a discussion going to get a better sense of the extent of crime in the area.

Because to my mind, unfortunately there does appear to be rather a lot and of particular audacious variety.
This, a shooting, daylight mugging, a serial sex attacker, machete wielders, burgulary sprees it does seem to go on and on.

But maybe it's just my perception, fuelled by these types of threads! Hence the question!

Brockley Nick said...

1. This site didn't report the daylight mugging, it was raised by a reader in one discussion.

2. The machete wielder was arrested without anyone being harmed.

3. The night stalker crimes took place over many many years, none of them occurred here and the guy arrested lived in Southwark.

4. Burglaries happen everywhere - there's been a national upward trend.

Brockley is a large chunk of London and this site has been reporting major incidents for nearly five years. You can either look at individual incidents and try and discern a trend or you can look at the actual statistics, which this site also reports and which declare Brockley to be decidedly average by London standards.

Charlie said...

Thanks to the improvised but sterling work of the police no one was hurt, but there was a real sense of menace in that incident.
Regarding the serial sex attacker yes that's right the chap did not live in this town, so i found it particularly unfortunate that he kept getting attached to here. Not helped by the threads you created on the story, however.

Look, Nick I think you do an excellent job, with this site to pump up Brockley, but this banging on about crime, I'm not sure that it helps. There was also a story about a teenage girl involved in a killing thing, some time back too. It really can be a bit much.

Brockley Nick said...

Charlie, the purpose of this site is to help people understand their area better. If it has a propaganda element, it's to celebrate the best of the area, not to pretend that Brockley is the only place in London that crime does not exist.

The site doesn't spend a lot of time reporting crime nor do we ever engage in hyperbole about crime. I'm happy with the balance we strike and if you look at the coverage of the nightstalker case, it was all over the national news that the guy was from Brockley, I pointed out that he wasn't really.

If someone reads a story on here and gets put off, well then I'll be happy that we have one less person without a sense of perspective living in the area. I'll also be glad that we gave them the information they needed to make a choice that works for them.

If you're so worried about what people might be think when they read this thread, then perhaps you should avoid cataloguing every bad thing that has happened in the area during the talkback?

Reg said...

Pete, speculation cannot be prejudicial to a crime, nor can a question.

A jury must try a case based on the evidence.

Even if a jury member were to take these questions as 'leading', then a judge would in the first instance direct them to not read the Internet, and where they had done so to ignore it.

If I said Harry had killed before, Harry is a totally fictitious character so please don't let your sensibilities run awry, it should not matter to a jury; who must try the case based on the evidence - and not Harry's 'previous'.

Leave the directions of the jury to the learned judge.

Sleuth said...

"A jury must try a case based on the evidence."

Unlike your baseless speculation about the circumstances surrounding the suspects. What are you McTaggart?

Anonymous said...

Reg...two newspapers speculated about Christopher Jefferies and found themselves on a charge of contempt.

Mr Jefferies was merely arrested, these two men have been CHARGED.

Anonymous said...

I think the stories that relate to crime are interesting and important.

If you look at the local press, it does, indeed make for grim reading in papers like the SE London Press and News Shopper. At the opposite extreme, the outpourings of Lewisham council are relentlessly positive, very like a corporate magazine. Both are misleading and unbalanced.

For a long time I thought this blog tended too much towards the latter extreme with little coverage of the local incidents.

I hyperlocal site like this can provide a good service in reporting local concerns. Brockley is a part of inner London and can be expected to have a certain amount of local villainy. It seems to me to quite an appropriate subject, though I guess it might annoy those obsessed by the market value of property.

clear horizons said...

"one less person without a sense of perspective living in the area"

off you go then Nick

Lep Recorn said...

Clear Horizons

Fortunately Nick has very broad shoulders, which makes him immune to narrow minded comments such as yours.

Nick has done a great service to Brockley in maintaining this site and in no way deserves to be the recipient of comments such as yours.

local yokel said...

what's wrong with 'a sense of perspective'?

Anonymous said...

Well done is what I can say, and good for brockley to help clean the place up. That evening on route home from the Jam we found him, it was quite scary not knowing what happend and that we could cross who ever did this then and each time we we walk past that passage way... Its good Brockley central reports this news.

R

kolp said...

Sorry but that previous comment doesn't ring true. If you were that bothered you would seek out news on the story. the South London Press website is quite easily accessed is it not?

spungle said...

And, as if to hammer home the point that this thread was not bizarre enough, Chief Inspector Kolp wades in with further speculation about the validity of a posters comment.

Not heard of the South London Press?.. Gotcha!

DawnSDrw said...

yes there is a point in posting these things and the man who was killed happened to be my best friend

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