Council plans new parking restrictions across the borough

'The Oracle' has tipped us off that Lewisham Council is seeking to introduce new parking restrictions on a number of roads across the area. The restrictions would mean that no waiting (parking) would be allowed at specific points, including:


- Amyruth Road both sides within 10m of junction Chudleigh Road;
- Chudleigh Road northwest side within 10m of junction Amyruth Road;
- Chudleigh Road northwest side within 32m northeast of junction Arthurdon Road;
- Chudleigh Road northwest side within 10m of junction Francemary Road;
- Geoffrey Road north side within 10m west and 6m east of junction Manor Avenue;
- Manor Avenue both sides within 15m of junction Geoffrey Road, measured on west side;
- Vesta Road north side within 10m of junction Barriedale;

Documents giving more detailed particulars of the order and measures can be inspected during normal office hours on Mondays to Fridays at the office of Lewisham Transport Policy & Development, Wearside Service Centre, Wearside Road, Ladywell, London, SE13 (tel. 020-8314 2265).

Parking restrictions are of course necessary in many cases and we can't comment on the desirability of some of these proposals, but as a nearby resident we do know the junction of Geoffrey Road and Manor Avenue that will be affected and we don't understand what problem this is attempting to solve.

There are width restrictions on Geoffrey Road but parking doesn't prevent cars getting through. Manor Avenue's main problem seems to be a lack of parking space, so we're not sure that losing 15m of parking is a good idea.

If you live nearby the sites included on the list - what do you think of these plans?

40 comments:

Manor Av resident said...

I'm guessing the parking restrictions around the Geoffrey Road and Manor Avenue junction will be to do with the construction that's about to take place on Geoffrey Road opposite the entrance to Manor Avenue. Aren't they building new flats there? I imagine construction traffic will need turning space to enter the gates.

Brockley Nick said...

I'd be surprised if that's the reason. Those flats have been threatened to be built for years and I'm not sure that there is any progress there - unless you've heard different?

auntykate said...

To me this just looks like enforcing the rule about not parking at junctions and causing obstructions. Its been in the highway code from year dot but people now seem to need a double yellow line to understand that you shouldn't park on the corners of roads.

Brockley Nick said...

Let's hope this signals a new era of proper enforcement of parking regulations! ;)

Mouse said...

Looking at the junctions on Streetview I'd agree with Auntykate. There's a van parked right on the corner of Geoffrey Road / Manor Avenue, obstructing visibility. Looks like they're proposing lines on the whole of the raised table at this junction.

TM said...

You'll be lucky. The Council should enforce existing restrictions before introducing new ones ;0)

Headhunter said...

Gotta say, I don't see how restrictiring parking and effectively making it easier for traffic to rat run through Geoffrey and Manor is going to help anyone. I thought council strategy was previously to try to discourage the use of Geoffrey as a major traffic run, with the barricades across the road and the slightly awkward turning from Brockley X, traffic is "supposed" to head straight along Malpas. This is probably part of TfLs strategy to "improve traffic flow", ie to allow cars to travel faster and sod people on bikes and on foot...

Anonymous said...

Stop saying "rat run", it's such a mung-y phrase.

Drive less, walk more said...

Putting a double yellow on corners doesn't stop drivers parking there. Hasn't by the Sunflower Centre, anyway.

Matt-Z said...

@Headhunter

I don't think any of the roads in question are managed by TfL, it is Lewisham Council putting forward the proposals.

I agree enforcement of existing regulations should be a priority, but it seems low on their list.

Robert said...

I agree with Headhunter. I live on Geoffrey Road, very near the junction of Manor Avenue. I do no not see what benefit these restrictions would have to residents - it is only drivers who use the road as a cut-through (is that a reasonable alternative to rat run!) who would benefit.

Where are the vehicles that are currently parked on the 15m (both sides) of Manor Avenue going to park?

I'd like to hear a rationale for these proposals, but on first impression they seem absolutely daft!

Anonymous said...

I personally hate the way the pavement outside Broca is used as a mung-run by the local vegetarians

Anonymous said...

the double yellow lines introduced in Ladywell on Ellerdale and Embleton etc, don't stop people from parking there. Can't see a thing around those corners.

Anonymous said...

Job lot yellow paint for sale.

Rod said...

I was told by the council that this was due to the refuse trucks turning into Manor from Geoffrey, which seems odd.

The refuse trucks and large vehicles do have problems along the Manor Av pinchpoints - but there are six of them so why just this one has been targeted is puzzling.

Parking is a nightmare in Manor Av and Geoffrey Rd. The council should have simply allowed cars all the way along Manor Avenue to park on the protruding shoulders, which were introduced to calm traffic and don't. Instead they fine drivers for pavement parking when these are not actually pavements.

Headhunter said...

Why not use "rat run"? Drivers rat running through residential streets in Brockley is undesirable

"The council should have simply allowed cars all the way along Manor Avenue to park on the protruding shoulders, which were introduced to calm traffic and don't."

I agree, allowing drivers to create pinch points by parking next to the traffic calming shoulders on Manor Ave, or even allowing people to park cars 2 abreast along Manor has the desirable effect of making it inefficient for cars and lorries etc to rat run there...

Matt-Z said...

This raises the perennial question of use of the mews for parking. Could the council investigate a policy where residents could legally park in the mews, behind their houses?

Anonymous said...

No danger of actually fixing our pock marked, pot holed highways yet then?

Headhunter said...

I don't know if the mews are actually wide enough to get 2 car widths along them (a parked car and a moving car looking for a parking space)... Some bits may be but I think it would be a tight squeeze along the section of mews behind my place...

TM said...

Surely people who want to park in the Mews can build a garage or a parking bay at the bottom of their garden?

Can't they?

Anonymous said...

We are all waiting for CPZ implementation

no cpz said...

No we are NOT!

Anonymous said...

Second that: freedom to park, already pay to have cars. Even in the places where CPZ has been implemented in this borough, trying to find out when you can and can't park is a nightmare so you see empty streets, just moving the congestion to the next streets along, such nonsense.

patrick1971 said...

The Chudleigh Road restrictions are much-needed. The 284 bus often gets stuck there as cars are parked on both sides and traffic is stacked back waiting to turn into Ladywell Road.

Headhunter said...

People are certainly free to build their own offroad parking at the end of their gardens, accessible through the mews, but I don't think parking in the actual mews is allowed.

Having said that, plenty of people already do, especially at the ends of the mews, where they meet the main roads. We can hardly get our council to enforce parking regs around Brockley X let alone along the mews!

Most people don't park on the mews though because they are hardly secure and after evening, they are pitch black. They also get very boggy and muddy when it rains a lot and iced over when it snows... Not ideal.

Angry in Arbuthnot said...

Not certain if it's Lewisham or Southwark, but I wish they'd do something about the parking on the corner of Arbuthnot road and Gellatly Road - it's horrific.

There's a massive van that's taken recently to parking right on the corner - I've regularly seen cars having to reverse ONTO THE MAIN ROAD in order to try and clear out the junctions.

Totally anti-CPZ said...

Strongly support the anti-cpz group here. A cpz does not guarantee you the right to a parking space - the Council can sell as many licences as it wants. All it guarantees is that you have to pay for something you can already have free.

It makes it extremely difficult, in some places impossible, for visitors to visit you by car or even deliver things.

It pushes parking to other nearby streets, which then have to have their own CPZ to "protect" their interests(which you and your visitors cannot use when there is no space in yours). So you are not only disadvantaging yourselves when you wish for a CPZ but disadvantaging others over a wide area.

If you are in a Conservation Area, the only people it benefits are those who have already paved over their front gardens or are lucky enough to have a drive. If you do not live in a Conservation Area, then it encourages residents to pave over their front gardens for hard standing with all the problems that that creates.

Can those who want a CPZ please leave now and move to somewhere where there already is one and not try to enforce one on those of us who don't.

CPZ said...

We WANT CPZ. It works all over London, but some idiots in have always to say that it would not work in Brockley... a bit like proving that the hearth in not round.

No cpz said...

No cpz here. Take your name calling along with your bad attitude elsewhere.

yodel said...

@CPZ

I don't know what sort of hearth you have but mine certainly isn't round! Your observations are as valid as your opinions.

Headhunter said...

Talking of Arbuthnot Rd, enormous vans have take to parking right on the inside bend on the road between Jerningham and Pepys. It's an utter nihtmare, it's impossible to see what might be coming round the bend from Pepys towards Jerningham as you head in the other direction. You almost have to make a leap of faith and pull out round the vans obstructing the view down the road and hope there isn't a car coming the other way... Are people just stupid or don't they think when they park enormous vehicles?

the wickham man said...

Is there no way we can get a parking restriction outside The Orchard? That way more people can enjoy one of the only decent places to hang out :)

Anonymous said...

Fantastic. The more restrictions the better. People come and congest this area from Kent. They add nothing, spend nothing in local shops and reduce our quality of life. Why should we pay a fortune to buy or rent a flat when they pay less, live further out and make fools of us. parking should be for locals.

Anonymous said...

@No CPZ - I suggest you find work so you can affort the 50 pence a day for the CPZ and stop talking nonsense.

Col Ghadaffi's cousin. said...

Yeah, those people from Kent, with their funny trousers and strange ways. Only the other day I saw one of them kicking a dog and parking his car ON THE PAVEMENT. He then bundled a hard working tax payer into a car, no doubt to force kentish hops on her and turn her into an addict. The PC brigade will bleat but we should kill them like rats.

No cpz said...

No cpz here, you can insult people all day long. No cpz!

Yes AND No to CPZ said...

Yes to CPZ in some areas and not others!

Anonymous said...

Don't have a CPZ, I live in one and it's an absolute pain and costs me tons of money each year to have exactly the same amount of parking availability as I had before. You will find, as I did, that in fact the majority of people parking in your area ARE locals. Now my friends can't visit me during the day, and when I return home after work at night, the parking spaces are just as full as they ever were. It's simply a way of raising revenue, and our permits have doubled in cost in two years.

Totally anti-CPZ said...

@Yes and NO to CPZ - that is extremely unfair. All it does is push any parking problem from one area to another. Those that vote for a CPZ are effectively saying "We don't want anybody other than ourselves to park outside our house - so they (and that includes our visitors) can come and park outside yours".

The displaced parking then causes more problems in the non-CPZ areas, with the ultimate effect that they have to have CPZs as well.

Then you finish up with the problem the last Anon expressed so well - CPZs everywhere, your visitors can't park anywhere, it still doesn't guarantee you a parking space. And worst of all, now having a monopoly on parking, the Council can use it as a money-spinner by massive hikes in the charges and there is nothing, absolutely nothing, you can do about it.

CPZs are a total con. I know of few people outside central London who live in an CPZ and actually like it.

Anonymous said...

The usual idiots contributing to the blog.

Commuters only go were parking is available near a station. So commuters would not spill into areas away from the station.

If you live near the Station your friends and family can take the tube/train to visit you. Otherwise they pay for a daily or hourly permit/pay and display.

It works all over London, and stops commuters to take advantage of free parkings.

Claiming that it would not work in Brockley is just silly.

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