Park and ride

Just to show that the war on illegally and inconsiderately parked vans is not really a war on vans but on inconsiderate people, here's an example of a cyclist parking where they shouldn't near Brockley Station too.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

They deserve to get that nicked.

The Cat Man said...

OMG - on one of the busiet paths in brockley, what an idiot

Ian on the Hill said...

First the looting and now this, I can hardly stand the outrageous lawlessness of it. And isn't that a MOUNTAIN bike? ON the street? Have they no shame?

Anonymous said...

Surely that's an artisan, ironwrought bicycle and gets extra twee points and a suspicious lack of criticism just for that? I thought I was learning mung etiquette :-(

R. I. Otter said...

Don't diss me wheels, yeah. We keepin it green u get me.

TM said...

Get off at New Cross Gate and it won't be a problem.....

or St Johns

or Ladywell

etc etc

Anonymous said...

Jesus you can't even lock up a bike in Brockley without some busybody castigating you for it on a blog. Pathetic.

Welcome to 2011 said...

Oh, what, next you'll be saying I can't smash up a shop without people complaining! Pathetic!

mormon fundamentalist said...

Even Jesus can't lock up a bike unhindered.

Please could this lead to an earnest, yet fruitless, discussion about religion, with, naturally, Nick at the centre of a 'perfect storm' that he's built around himself?


thanks very much in advance

Anonymous said...

Locking a bicycle like that is rather annoying to pedestrians, but part of the problem is the chronic lack of decent facilities.

I use Brockley station at various times throughout the day and cycle there, but if you get there past 9/930 am, there is a good chace you won't get a place in the covered space, which, of the top of my head, has space for ten bikes. People often use the railing on the edge of the pavement, but this is often full, too. So more storage would help the situation, and not removing places to park a bike, like they did outside The Orchard when the pavement was repaved.

Brockley Nick said...

Good point and I hadn't realised that about Harefield Road. That is a shame.

C.y.list said...

But why park a bike at Brockley Station?

Crofton Park, Honour Oak, Ladywell, New Cross (Gate), St. John's, Nunhead etc. are all within walking distance, so Why risk theft by leaving a bike at Brockley?

Anonymous said...

I would have hoped that recent events may have given people a little bit of a sense of perspective on the important things in life... no chance.

Anonymous said...

There clearly isnt enough bike lock up space. Something should be done about this.

BDS supporters club said...

This is a hyper local blog. Bike storage provision is a
perfectly appropriate subject, it's not going to be discussed in The Times is it? It's quite possible to be horrified about riots and at the same time dismayed by bike facilities and happy about a new chipshop. Do you only talk about the Palestinian problem down the pub or do you flit between big stuff and inane chit chat? Life is like that, interesting and varied.

As for "why not stop somewhere else" well because presumably people want to stop here.

Observation said...

I'm not a cyclist but I always thought the provision of bike space at Brockley station was pretty poor. As we all know, the commencement of the ELL service has attracted increasing numbers of commuters to brockley station from outside of our area to use it. Naturally, alongside those who may drive or get the bus here, will be increasing numbers of those who cycle here to use the service.

Headhunter said...

As Bozo and the authorities push for more people to cycle in London, the lack of facilities becomes increasingly glaring. In some parts of central London it is a complete nightmare, there's space for bike racks, they're just not provided. Not that I would put my bike in such a stupid place in Brockley. I've noticed that people are increasingly locking their bikes to people's private front garden railings along streets near the station including Manor Ave. Doesn't bother me but it shows how desperate people are for places to stick their bikes

BDS supporters club - Don't worry, I've been posting on this site for ages and people have been whingeing that these "hyper local" issues don't matter, but as you point out, this is a site about Brockley, not about major issues affecting world politics and markets...

Barbara said...

I dunno, I know the bike isn't anything like as bad as the looting but it does seem to represent the same kind of thing - just the lack of thought, the pure self focus.

And so often it seems to quickly turn to outrage if you ask someone eg parking a bike where it blocks a narrow pavement to please move it as it will cause a problem for buggies, wheelchairs etc - they seem to think it's their freedom you're messing with.
Happens the same with cars parked on the pavement so pedestrians have to step into traffic, people who constantly play loud music at home to misery of all their neighbours, and iPods up to warp noise levels on trains. As long as they're happy they're perfectly happy to annoy others - seems to be the new mantra for London and this place is just going to get more and more miserable because of it.

kolp said...

Well said, Barbara. I believe it is this lack of thought or consideration on a micro scale, that reverberates and causes macro level societal problems.

Anonymous said...

@anan 20:45 Let me use an hyperbole, breaking rules is a frame of mind so there is very much a link between the two problems.

Once the brain accepts rules can be broken, the brain will continue to brake rules unless the punishment or enforcement is too big to risk it.

So the person that parks illegally, vans or bikes does not matter, is the same person that potentially will loot, rob, evade, kidnap is he/she is given the opportunity, because his/her brain and conscience agree with it as long as there are no or limited consequences.

We have all experienced that because the Council does not enforce parking regulations in Brockley nor they implement a CPZ a minority of people and businesses take immediately advantage of the lack of control at the expense of the rest of the residents.

Similar people have realised that police force cannot be anywhere an they saw an opportunity to steel without suffering the consequences.

This is the reason why societies give to themselves rules and provide for enforcement bodies. If one of this two is missing than you have caos and prevarication...

Anonymous said...

.... the same applies to those MPs who were involved in the expenses scandal!!! They should loose their jobs!!

Barbara said...

Anon I agree, the hypocrisy on show in last couple of days from Michael Gove etc was amazing! (Not to mention Nick Clegg having been convicted of arson aged 16). It's all part of the problem, and all very very depressing.

MalB said...

I think the cycling lobby could do more to help itself. There are large new developments in the planning pipeline adajacent to New Cross Gate station which secure cycle parking for residents of the new developments.

The developers are not planning to put in any social housing or pay any s106 contribution on the grounds that they can't afford it.

I have suggested to the London Cycling Campaign that they lobby the Council for the developers to recognise a small social contribution by including as part of their residents' secure parking an area which could be used by the general public as a secure bicycle park. They have not yet told me that they have taken this up, but I hope they will.

There has been one development at Brockley where something similar could have been carried out and there are other opportunities coming up.

There seems no good reason, to me, why the Council should not insist on planning obligations to promote cycling when considering new developments. But, given the power of the developers, constant pushing in the right direction by the cycling lobby is probably needed.

So, cyclists, my suggestion is keep an eye on planning applications near the stations and put pressure on the Council when they come up.

THNick said...

Mal - the problem with that suggestion is that opening up the parking to non-residents makes it less secure. I already know of friends who have their bikes stolen from "secure" storage because no one is careful enough about who they let in.

Anonymous said...

This is really not that big of an issue. Sure, it was left in a site that could be deemed inconsiderate to pedestrians, but there is ample room for people to walk past on both sides, and it does not create a hazard. I think it is fair to highlight this on this website but we should all maintain perspective. We are human, fallable and we don't always function as our peers might like.

Anonymous said...

I also thought this wasn't an issue. Has anyone described it as a 'nightmare' yet?

Anonymous said...

Anon 12.26

Once the brain accepts rules can be broken, the brain will continue to brake rules unless the punishment or enforcement is too big to risk it.

"So the person that parks illegally, vans or bikes does not matter, is the same person that potentially will loot, rob, evade, kidnap is he/she is given the opportunity, because his/her brain and conscience agree with it as long as there are no or limited consequences."

Please accept today's L Ron Hubbard Prize for Cod Psychology. 'The brain'!!! LOL.

MalB said...

THNick - it is always possible to come up with problems. There are solutions too, it just requires positive thinking rather than negative thinking on the part of everybody. For example, for my proposal, the residents/non-residents cycle storage could be separated by a fairly hefty iron grill with separate doors. I am sure you can think of others.

The fact is that somebody needs to pay for cycle storage if you are going to have some. I would prefer it to be developers who should put something back into the community rather than the residents who are already there. The alternative is the travelling public or the cyclists themselves.

Headhunter said...

Anon 14:18 - It probably wouldn't cause a prob to a single pedestrian but someone in a wheelchair or pushing a buggy may abve difficulties...

Anonymous said...

was Nick Clegg convicted at 16 of arson -
well the younsters convictions for rioting etc will just be a hiccup on their way to a career in politics (sorry I know this is the wrong thread)

Anonymous said...

Putting this on here because it's the most recent post tagged 'cycling'...
I find it quite hair-raising turning right from Ladywell Road into Ladywell Fields, the enterance to the park is just over the brow of the hill/bridge and car drivers like to pretend that cyclists are invisible so I often end up stuck in the middle of the road at risk from cars coming from behind me.
The only alternative to this is crossing at the pedestrian crossing lights near Geddes and going on the pavement which isn't ideal…
Does anyone else have this problem? Does anyone have any good ideas or solutions?

Tamsin said...

Cycle down Malyons Road - now largely empty of parked cars during the day - and over the Whirly Bridge...?

Anonymous said...

Although inconsiderately left, there just isn't enough cycle parking at the station. In fact, there isn't any at the moment as the shelter has been ripped out....

I'm much more worried about the mountain of cars parked up each day by lazy commuters. Yes, some of them very inconsiderately.....

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