More East London Line trains from December

TfL has announced an increase in services on the East London Line that is almost useful if you live in Brockley. From December 2011, trains on several routes across the London Overground network will run more frequently at peak times, evenings and weekends. Scheduled improvements include:
  • Two extra morning peak trains from Surrey Quays to Dalston Junction, Monday to Saturday
  • Four extra trains will run every hour between Dalston Junction and Highbury & Islington on Sunday mornings
The extra trains from Surrey Quays should make northbound journeys slightly less squashed for us from that point on, and it's encouraging to see them trying to squeeze more capacity out of the network this way. Perhaps more late night trains are not too far away.

Thank you to Monkeyboy for the news.

18 comments:

currentbuns said...

It looks like the four extra trains on Sunday mornings will benefit us by increasing the trains per hour to the same level as weekday and Saturday mornings, which is a marked improvement on the current 15 min service.

Anonymous said...

Why can't they increase frequency further south?

currentbuns said...

On the West Croydon branch, there simply isn't the capacity.

However it has been recommended that an extra two trains from Crystal Palace in the morning peak should be added in the future along with 5 carriage ELL trains for all services to increase capacity.

Southern will be increasing capacity on some peak services to 10 carriages from December.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know why every 4th train or so only stops at new cross? It could go through new cross gate (very close) and serve southern stations then

mb said...

the last anon, they're different bits of railway I think? you either send that train down the NXG line and leave out NX or do what we have now, Matt-Z is the railway geek in residence and may answer.

Also, I think the extra trains from Surry Quays may reflect the upcomming ELLX2 service.

Anonymous said...

I say leave out New Cross and push all trains through NXG ... waste of a train south otherwise ... NX is right next to NXG!

Anonymous said...

Because the New cross trains provide a interchange with southeastern trains coming from kent . I travel from lewisham to whitechapel by this route.

Anonymous said...

Because the New cross trains provide a interchange with southeastern trains coming from kent . I travel from lewisham to whitechapel by this route.

Anonymous said...

In an ideal world they probably would leave out New Cross and push everything through NXG. They can't do this without cutting Southern services because there is no spare line capacity south of New Cross Gate.
New and expensive signalling could possibly solve this (I believe the core section of ELL between Surrey Quays and Dalston Junction can handle more frequent services)

mintness said...

Because the New cross trains provide a interchange with southeastern trains coming from kent.

'cisely. And having the occasional Overground train start from New Cross gives us north-enders a fighting chance of claiming a seat even at peak time. :)

Anonymous said...

Apparently not only are they not planning later evening services, but the new station staff rosters envisage earlier "clock-off" times, which would not be possible were later evening running planned. Restoring ELL services so that trains run until after 1am, as they did on the "pre-extension" ELL would cost money that the current Mayor doesn't want to spend on south-east London

Anonymous said...

Aren't New Cross and New Cross Gate a really close walking distance? Strange they all don't go through NXG in that case ...

Tamsin said...

Not really close - about five to ten minutes along a rather unpleasant stretch of road - particularly after dark.

And bear in mind that points East of New Cross and West of New Cross Gate are a significant distance from the other.

currentbuns said...

New Cross had a better deal from the pre ELL extension with 5 trains per hour compared to 4 trains per hour now (2 late evenings) and a late start on Sunday mornings.

Tamsin said...

Shhh! You're not allowed to say that. Everything about the new ELL is indisputably wonderful...

Anonymous said...

Just read back the rest of this thread. Different bits of railway although for about 40 years they were both called New Cross - the "Gate" was only added in the 1920s. Before that it was New Cross (LB&SC) and New Cross (SE&C) - if I've got the initials right. Hence one having the platforms lettered (like Waterloo East) and one having them numbered (like London Bridge).

MalB said...

Aren't New Cross and New Cross Gate a really close walking distance? Strange they all don't go through NXG in that case ...

As Tamsin says, not really that close, but also NX connects with all the mainline services through Lewisham. Without NX, commuters on those lines would need to go into London Bridge to access the Underground.

Ar one stage there was a plan for the ELLX to extend through NX to Bromley rather than through NXG to Croydon.

MalB said...

The additional trains from Surrey Quays northwards are really squeezing additional capacity out the system - that capacity (and more) was built in from the start. It is for the Clapham Junction extension.

They should run more trains south of Surrey Quays through New Cross Gate, which really needs the additional capacity too. However that does hit capacity issues further south. And, of course, they would have to remove those services once the Clapham Junction extension opens which would probably cause riots.

Brockley Central Label Cloud

Click one of the labels below to see all posts on that subject. The bigger the label, the more posts there are!