The Wickham Arms - last orders

The Wickham Arms closes temporarily on Monday. The current landlord, the likeable Ted, will be leaving the Wickham Arms on October 31st. In a note to customers, he says:

"I feel sure that the Wickham Arms can only benefit by having new owners. The pub really needs a husband and wife team to bring it to its full potential so I hope that you will give them your full support, whoever they may be. 

"I have had some good times over the last 11 years and I hope some of you have too! I would like to thank you all for your custom, good company, and in some cases, friendship over the years."

The Wickham has been up for sale for a long time, and we know of at least three teams who were interested at various stages. It sounds as though new buyers have been found and we look forward to learning about their plans. 

The Wickham Arms is a handsome pub in a stunning location, with a big garden and a great terrace. It has more potential and is in far better condition than The Talbot was, when it was taken over and restored. However, it probably needs a complete change of direction in order to be viable in the long-term. 

It is possible for pubs to make money without selling food, but probably not on a quiet street in a residential area and especially not if your range of beers and wines is pretty limited. In recent years, the team made some minor changes in an attempt to broaden its appeal, but a more radical intervention is probably now needed. Hopefully, it can be modernised without losing any of its traditional charm and new customers can be wooed without alienating too many of its existing clientele. Nowhere did a better pub quiz than the Wickham.

Good luck to Ted and his family in any case. Bruise play tonight and Bobby Valentino plays tomorrow.

89 comments:

Bill Ellson said...

Lets take the rose tinted glasses off and be honest for once.

What the Wickham Arms needs is a competent cellarperson who keeps the beer in good condition and regularly cleans the pipes.

Shard lover said...

Top tip for new owners : dog friendly pubs rule

Also, try to avoid having a chef in an open plan kitchen who likes to Lear and wink at female patrons... One pub/bar in the area fails miserably on that front and I refuse to go back so my cash is there for the taking if u fancy it.

Paul Astles said...

I'd just like to point out that Bruise isn't the last night of live music in the Wickham Arms. I'm playing there tomorrow night Sunday 30th with Bobby Valentino. Hope some people come too!

Anonymous said...

I'll miss my lock ins at the wickham.

Anonymous said...

Great pub. Hope it can be reopened soon. I hope that it can be refurbished without being "modernised". I wouldn't even go if it felt "modern". I hope it keeps its traditional charms and prospers and please go to the last 2 kids tonight and Sunday.

Brockley Nick said...

Sorry Paul! That looked like it had been crossed off, when I went in.

Headhunter said...

Hope it remains a pub and doesn't get turned into flats!

OB said...

Many, many fond memories of the Wickham. Apologies to Bill Ellson, but it's where my boyfriend and I had some of first dates (romantic big spenders I know). I do hope they maintain it as a proper pub. Refurb the place, sort the cellar out for sure; but no need to rip it up and start again. Not needed and not everywhere needs to be a gastropub.

Bill Ellson said...

OB, nothing to apologise for, I agree with you.

NAT said...

Very good news

Anonymous said...

I hope it doesn't turn into a mung pub. That's the last thing many of us round here want.

Anonymous said...

Was brill for a lunchtime or weekday evening drink and I wouldn't like a refurbishment to modernise it one little bit. Never been a fan of music in pubs otherwise I would have been in at the weekends as well.

Absolutely agree we don't need another gastropub and dog owners should leave the smelly brutes outside.

Let's hope the Wickham can find a sympathetic owner.

Anonymous said...

I really hope it remains as a pub but I am not too upst that it is closing in its current status. Popped in there recently for a lunch time drink. A bloke turned up in his car moaning that he had just had to go to the police station again for being done for driving whilst diqqualified. Baring in mind he pulled up in his car, the lady working behind the bar then proceeded to bring a round of shooters out for him and the others sympathising (after he'd ordered a pint) with him. I left pretty quickly and would like to think that he walked home but I doubt it. I didn't do anything and not sure what would have been appropriate (if anything) but I do feel something should have been done.

Anonymous said...

Please don't change the decor! At least in the front room. And please don't lose the fantastic music! Always a pleasure to pop in and find Brockley/Deptford's finest playing a casual set. The Talbot is great, but it's not comfy and homelike as the Wickham is. Maybe it can be something like Skehan's but without the weird knick knacks?

NAT said...

I also really hope that whoever takes over cherishes the music hub which, like anything that actually worked at the Wickham, was self managing.

One of the few venues in the district that has a facility to stage live events.

Anonymous said...

went into the brockley barge last night - excellent range of beers

Anonymous said...

hoorah - hopefully a refurb will mean a clean up of the gents loos and stop that terrible smell that greets you on entering.

Anonymous said...

yes, good. waiting also for the regeneration of the Barge... they could see much more business if they cleaned up the place and offer some decent food.

I hope the Whicham follows the trend of Royal Albert etc. but keeps the live music

Anonymous said...

Which PubCo owns it by the way?

David S said...

It looks like Lewisham Council aren't giving consent for change of use to pubs, in which case it couldn't be turned into flats.

Anonymous said...

Biagio's restaurants for sale but they will not sell the real crown jewels. The "red" Lanterna is destined to remain in the capable hands of the Biagio family

http://www.caterersearch.com/Articles/07/09/2011/340053/Biagio-Caroleo-to-sell-four-Italian-restaurants-in-London.htm

Matt-Z said...

@ David S - if true that's fantastic news. Where did you hear this?

js said...

Yes, clean up bar and cellar (if you're sitting down you can see the underside of the bar is rather disgusting). Yes to a proper pub with cask ale, cask cider, pork scratchings and dogs under the tables...

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, this will stay a pub. Lots of interest in taking it over, the question has been the price. A suggestion on Facebook that the new landlords are temporary caretakers while a new buyer is found.

Tim said...

Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but eventually, the Wickham Arms will end up as flats. Reasons:
The area has very little footfall.
Pubs can only make money in most areas by selling food, and I don't think Brockley Conservation Area has sufficient demand for two gasto pubs (Talbot and Orchard), let alone three.
Those of you that aspire to a "dog friendly" pub or a pub that does "good beer" are going to be disappointed, I'm afraid, as dogs turn as many people away as they attract, and "good beer" doesn't pay the bills.

Brockley Nick said...

@Tim - wrong, I know one potential buyer who runs a number of other pubs and is interested precisely because of its relatively quiet location, which makes it a destination pub, rather than a walk-in. Brockley can easily support another good quality pub as the queues for the Orchard suggest. But it needs to be done well and it will almost certainly need to sell food.

Tim said...

Nick, I had lunch at the Talbot last Sunday at 1pm. It was absolutely delicous, couldn't fault it. But the pub wasn't very busy, at what should be peak time in the week. Part of that is due to a lack of advertising, I suspect (as well as tables tall people can't get their legs under)! But also, it's because Brockley just doesn't have the demand right now. The demographic just isn't prosperous enough. If you compare it to Clapham, Dulwich or Blackheath/Greenwich, sure there are pubs that prosper on backstreets in those places, but not very many. I hope someone develops a fantastic pub that I can go to regularly, and is very successful, because that's in my interest as a local resident (you're right, it'll have to do food), but I'm sceptical. Re the Orchard, love it, but after last Sunday, I reckon Talbot does a nicer roast.

Anonymous said...

Given the Wickham is smack in the middle of the very popular Talbot and Orchard, seems like a perfect spot for a good pub, but please let's keep it comfy for drinking and pub-like (rather than too restauranty) as a pub in a quiet residential area should be! Given how rents have sky-rocketed over the past few years, I would think there's enough "affluence" to support all of the gastro-pubs in the area (as the crowds at all of them indicate), but it would still be nice for this to be a cozy place to nip in for a pint after work, as well as serving food.

Does anyone know how long the closure will be for to the new owners/caretakers reopen?

quick brown fox said...

It's in a much nicer spot than either the Talbot or Orchard - has a garden and no traffic noise: bliss!

I don't think the current layout is that great for live music, and I'm not a fan of "traditional" pubs to the extent that that means yucky patterned carpets and dark wood everywhere, so I wouldn't mind seeing a few changes to the internal decor.

This area is so badly off for places to go for a drink (or an evening meal) that it could easily support another one, and I agree with Nick it could be a "destination" pub.

Anonymous said...

The Wickham will succeed only as long as the relentless munging over the proposed CPZ dies down.

I went in the Barge just now for the sunday roast - tremendously decent fare.

Full wit said...

Yes, because pubs in London depend on their patrons driving there to have a pint. Halfwit.

Anonymous said...

Keep the decor. Keep the music.

Would like to see some DJ nights there too, especially because as much as I like other pubs around here, they are all a bit to sleepy.

Gastro lover said...

I agree with the pro-gastro pubbers. The Orchard shows that there's an enormous appetite for good food, wine and beer locally if it doesn't break the bank. And the Wickham has a large bar and garden. Rather than simply having to share the customers enjoyed by the Talbot and Orchard most research shows the more businesses of a certain type in an area the further afield people travel to go to that area. I would certainly go more.

On a personal note, as someone who doesn't like to have hypnotic TVs blazing while enjoying a pint, I find the big signs screaming out the Sky Sports on offer a turn off.

Ed said...

I'm a bit of a real ale fan, and I always thought the Wickham kept an excellent pint, and I loved the fact that it was a traditional boozer that didn't do food. Crossing my fingers that it doesn't change much.

Anonymous said...

Conversely, I care little for these traditional boozers.

They tend to full of crusty old guys, who are narrow minded and smelly. They scare off new customers with their brusque manners and proprietorial attitude. These same characters have steadily deserted their watering hole making them uneconomic. So there is closure after closure of these 'traditional boozers'.

Pubs like this need a great deal of investment to relaunch them because they need reach out to embrace a new customer base. The alternative is to go the same way as the former pub that existed opposite the Wickham Arms, the Lord Wolsey, and be converted into flats.

Now some of you may have a particular dream of what constitutes an ideal 'boozer', but all that sentimentality seems absurd. Look around the area, there are enough lessons about what works and does not work.

A bunch of fat blokes sitting around watching Sky Sports is not the customer base likely to feature in the business aspirations of any investor.

The Wickham Arms has another disadvantage: it might be just too small to be a going concern.

Mb said...

Another Groundhog Day on brockley central. Until the Eurocrats publish an enforceable standard for a "good pub" it will remain whateverub an individual deems "good"

Now run along, nothing to see here....

OB said...

@Brcokley Nick: Not sure I totally agree that without food a pub can't make money. CAMRA just named the Southhampton Arms on the Highgate Road best in London - and the food there only goes as far as a few pork pies on the counter. Its rammed constantly, and though on a busy road, it is a fair walk from the nearest station.
http://www.thesouthamptonarms.co.uk/

Nicola said...

@OB - agreed, not impossible, just very tough, especially in that spot. Food doesn't have to mean gastropub either.

bumbags said...

Have been to the Southampton Arms- it's great. I made a visit for the proper cask cider- YUM.
They do a bit more than just pork pies- I remember having a hot pork bap, and I think they did scotch eggs too. Kosher it ain't, as it was porky bap, porky pie, egg wrapped in porky, or porky scratchings!
Pubs don't need a massive amount of food, but a short, basic, hearty list of snacks like the Southampton Arms works well.
Getting the CAMRA fans in is a good idea- I follow their cider festivals, and recently discovered the excellent Dog and Bell in Deptford. Lovely, lovely pub (dogs welcome!)

Anonymous said...

Full wit said...

Yes, because pubs in London depend on their patrons driving there to have a pint. Halfwit.


Actually, many pubs around the country depend on people driving there. Haven't you seen the carparks outside that have been there for generations, even proceeding the Olives and Grissini years?

Anonymous said...

I agree with Nick, good food would resurrect the pub. Certainly the area has sufficient clients and can attract more. For example I often drive to pubs in other areas went tired of waiting in the cue at the orchard. Certainly the barge is not an alternative, and unfortunately I find the talbot has no character and average food.

Anonymous said...

The Barge is an excellent alternative. A wide selection of beers and wines and pretty much the only local restaurant serving up a menu of decent grub.

Full wit said...

Around the country, or in the country? Perhaps most sane people have realised that driving to a pub to have a drink is irresponsible so yes pubs in the country may suffer, nothing to do with CPZS, or are you one of those who believe they concentrate better after a couple?

As for London, I'd wager that having to pay to park your car has little if anything to do with a pubs success. Unless you think that a pub can survive by its patrons driving there, having at most two pints and driving home which is still fairly daft.

By the way, grissini went out about the same time as babycham and le plait dor.

Fll wit said...

....also pubs in the country that rely on cars do so by selling food. So we've gone full circle, difficult for a pub to survive without selling food.

The Oracle said...

Well the new guy takes over today 31/11/11 and wants a meeting with Mark, the promoter of the live music,so maybe there still will be live music,lets hope so its the only pub in the area with decent bands.Is that Antics Richard, Nick ? I know the were asking about it a few months ago.

The Oracle said...

Well the new guy takes over today 31/11/11 and wants a meeting with Mark, the promoter of the live music,so maybe there still will be live music,lets hope so its the only pub in the area with decent bands.Is that Antics Richard, Nick ? I know the were asking about it a few months ago.

Anonymous said...

Doing food will just mean more food eaters going there not drinkers,oh maybe the odd glass of wine.

Simon said...

In my opinion, the Wickham Arms probably does need to sell food to be economically viable. Live music nights/DJ's are great but I don't think a pub in the location of the Wickham really lends itself to this sort of entertainment.
Like most businesses, pubs need to get their customer's average spend up and that usually means having a nicer environment to attract people with money to spend. It also means selling food and charging more for drinks. A pub doesn't need to to be smelly and crusty to be authentic.
There are many traditional pubs out there serving excellent food, giving great service in a pleasant environment. The success of many of these pubs in many areas of London is how they've managed to evolve with the times. The old fashioned pub as we used to know it is dying on its arse as it can only compete on price alone (it usually loses that battle to Weatherspoons). To make money on low prices, a pub has to be really busy and unfortunately the Wickham won't be. As a destination pub it has a real chance provided it gets the food, service and environment right. The success of the Orchard and Talbot tell us something about what many of the people in Brockley with money to spend want.
I rarely use the Ladywell Tavern because it looks-to me-run down and the atmosphere is pretty depressing. Some people love it but I don't want to eat or drink in there for the above reasons.
The Talbot and the Orchard are far busier and they are nicer places to go to. I think the Ladywell Tavern would perform far better if it was smartened up and the food and service were sorted out.
The Wickham Arms will be all the better if it follows the example of The Talbot and The Orchard.

TM said...

It's an Enterprise Inn

Anonymous said...

Hopefully we have another option similar to the Orchard - LOVE that place, but it's always packed, and the only one of that standard around ...

Brockley Nick said...

@The Oracle, no it was a pub company not currently operating in the area that thinks Brockley has a lot of potential.

Anonymous said...

why not expand on the live music/dj-ing? not everywhere has to be gastro to survive.

plus, we live in an area with a significant number of artists/creatives that i'm sure would appreciate a bit more in the way of evening options that don't ultimately boil down to a plate of sea bass and a glass of rosé.

Brockley Nick said...

"Food" doesn't have to equal gastropub. Is Skehans a gastropub? The New Cross House? Jam Circus?

Personally, I don't much care whether they serve food or not, I just want somewhere that doesn't smell of wee when you walk in and serves white wine and lager below room temperature. But it is very hard to make money out of booze alone, so food is for most places a necessary part of the mix.

I would like it to become a pub a bit like the Royal Albert, which strikes a nice balance, I think.

Anonymous said...

I haven't been to the Wickham since they messed with the back garden wall (breaking conservation area guidelines in the process).

If the new proprietors at the Wickham turned it into a more local copy of the Dog & Bell, I'd be very happy indeed. Or copied the Marquis, that's another great local pub which does very well despite not fitting the identikit 'gastropub' checklist.

Re: other local pubs:

- the Talbot is too posh for the likes of me (and has been rammed whenever I've tried to go there for a quiet drink, so clearly popular with other people!);

- the Orchard is lovely but ridiculously over-crowded all the time, and definitely much more food-oriented rather than casual drinking;

- I have a major soft-spot for the Barge, which is a fantastic, down-to-earth pub with a very mixed crowd of people;

- The Ladywell Tavern has been kids-everywhere hell-on-wheels at weekends the last couple of times I've been in, so I avoid it for that reason. It's good for weeknight drinks though.

Anonymous said...

PS. Has anyone been to the pub on Lewisham Way (on the corner with St Donnatts Rd), which used to be called the Rosemary Bush?
It's been done up rather nicely but seems to be struggling for local clientele - very quiet when I've been in. I'm not sure whether the site itself is jinxed, or whether the people running it haven't publicised it enough. But anyway, it's rather nice and worth checking out for those of you at the north end of Brockley, and New Cross and Telegraph Hill residents ...

Brockley Nick said...

Anon - yes, lots of discussion of the Old Haberdasher here http://bit.ly/ni6tK8

fattyfatty said...

I hope the people who took over the Ravensbourne take on the Wickham, it needs to be tarted up and brought into the 21st century as in its current state it ain't appealing to many. Hense why it is closing I guess. Hopefully we dont lose it as a pub though, this area is already dire for drinking establishment.

Brockley Nick said...

@Fatty - Antic have said on a couple of occasions that with The Royal Albert and Jam Circus already in their portfolio, they have Brockley pretty much covered. So it won't be them. And in terms of diversity, that's probably not a bad thing.

NAT said...

@ff. Its not closing though is it?

Its being taken over.

Even with major and self imposed drawbacks (the beer) it was still trading.

Guess my free drinks tokens from quiz nights are now collectables.

mb said...

Home work reading...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Theory_of_Justice


This chap (who David Cameron and Ed Millliband will have read extensivly) Allows inequality in distribution of 'goods' insofar as that inequality benefits the worse off. So paying a good GP or a bussiness owner who creates lots of skilled work lots could be permisable since their efforts help those at the bottom realise their potential.

No word on PR execs. ;-)

Tom said...

I used to live a few doors' down the road from the Wickham Arms and it was always an experience going in. The jukebox was great and the regulars friendly.

But ... the regulars seemed very regular and it seemed pretty insular. Classic moment for me was when the landlord came out and gave a customer when he stepped out of line. Can't help but wonder whether the change of hands might end up reflecting Brockley's move upmarket. As the Orchard has shown, there's a market for good locations in Brockley.

Tom said...

that should read "... gave a customer a slap" ...

NAT said...

Seems they'll be a great loss to the hospitality sector.

mb said...

My last post was supposed to be on the 10:1 thread. Arse.....

Anonymous said...

I'll go with Anon 31 October 2011 11:38. The Dog & Bell is brilliant. Much better than any of the others which have been mentioned here as leaders. As they say on their website "No Sky television, no juke box, no one armed bandits, no pool table" but an eighty year old bar billiards table.

Its only downside is that it is too far away - and it will be totally destroyed once the Convoy's Wharf development is finished. Crowded to death.

So let's have a "Dog & Bell"-a-like here before it's too late.

Lord of the Pub said...

The last thing Brockley needs is another place like the Orchard or The Talbot. The Orchard is alright but it is primarily a food place, and I would not want to spend an evening in there, it all seems very smug to me. I hate gastro pubs with a passion.

Again The Talbot, overpriced and no real atmosphere. There are precious few decent pubs round here. Something along the lines of The Telegraph or Skehans would be brilliant.

And in my opinion the beer was in good condition at the Wickham, the Pride and Landlord were top notch...

NAT said...

@Lord of the Pub. If as you suggest, the beer at the Wickham was acceptable or better then there really isn't an alternative to food as far as succeeding with the place is concerned.

If however you were of the opinion that I and others formed, that it wasn't, then a way of keeping the Wickham a 'proper' pub could at least be envisaged by the extra revenue flow from new and returning custom, which would spring from its improvement.

That together with the music.

Anonymous said...

A couple of years ago, the Wickham always served a delicious pint of Harvey's, and I've never turned my nose up at their Guinness (though it doesn't compare to the Marquis of Granby). I would LOVE if they went the Dog&Bell route, and then I wouldn't have to suffer the Talbot for a nice pint of ale. The Talbot is great for some things, but not for a quiet pint. Same goes for Albert.

Heretic said...

Is the whole "great pint of Guinness" thing a myth? It's made in a modern factory, stored, transported and served in a pressurised aluminium barrel through a standard tap supplied by the company. I guess you can screw it up but I suspect would be indistinguishable in a blind comparison

*puts on tin hat*

NAT said...

The new tap mechanism has made it a more uniform product. Also I think I'm right in saying that Guiness was at one time produced here under licence and obviously using different water, and now is imported from Dublin.

Nevertheless it is as subject as ale is to dirty pipes, and greatly benefits from movement so that a pub where a lot of it is sold is probably best.

The best pint of Guiness in the area is served in The Rising Sun.

NAT said...

And yes you're quite right it does have two n's.

Anonymous said...

The best fare in the area is sold in The Brockley Barge.

Anonymous said...

Did they show the football there? What Brockley needs is a pub that shows the football and other live sporting events. The only real option is the Chandos or further afield in Forest Hill.

Anonymous said...

2 things that need to stay out of boozers - football and badly behaved kids.

Anonymous said...

Nope, the best Guinness in the area is served at the Marquis. And they serve Tayto crisps.
If the Wickham mimicks the Dog & Bell then they might just win me over, though.

NAT said...

Not so Anon. The marquis' Guinness is very hit and miss.

Anonymous said...

"What Brockley needs is a pub that shows the football and other live sporting events. The only real option is the Chandos or further afield in Forest Hill."

Virtually every pub seems to have Sky Sports. I can think of loads within walking distance that do. What Brockley needs is more pubs without football and other live sporting events. In fact more pubs like the Dog & Bell that others have mentioned.

Anonymous said...

"2 things that need to stay out of boozers - football and badly behaved kids"

And badly behaved adults. And juke boxes. Unless confined to a separate room. Bring back the lounge bar, public bar, tap room and snug. These one-room fit-all pubs are the pits.

mintness said...

What Brockley needs is a pub that shows the football and other live sporting events. The only real option is the Chandos or further afield in Forest Hill.

If you're already up at the Wickham Arms end of Brockley, you have plenty of closer options in the New Cross/Goldsmiths neck of the woods - the Hobgoblin has a big screen and several smaller TVs for sport, the Marquis of Granby is basically made for watching footie while necking a decently priced Guinness or five, and two or three of the other pubs on that stretch are suitably Sky Sport-ed too. (I do agree it's odd that there's nowhere in "core" Brockley that does sports particularly well, though.)

Tamsin said...

Absolutely with you - Anon 00.24. I'm hoping the new managers of the Telegraph will disconnect the speakers in the back half of the pub so that you are not pursued into every corner by someone else's choice of music on the juke box.

DJ said...

If this thread proves anything it's that you can't please all the people all the time.
Good luck to the new owners of the Wickham - sounds like they're going to need it!

Anonymous said...

The Telegraph has a brilliant jukebox, with a wide variety of classics, it's not too loud either and is great background music, especially as it's not often that busy it provides an atmosphere.

Anonymous said...

Went in last night and the new manager was telling me he is looking after another pub in Dulwich as well as the Wickham.

Anonymous said...

Virtually every pub seems to have Sky Sports. I can think of loads within walking distance that do. What Brockley needs is more pubs without football and other live sporting events. In fact more pubs like the Dog & Bell that others have mentioned.

Really? The following pubs in the area do not show football: Jack, Jam Circus, Mr Lawrence, Brockley Barge, Talbot and the Wickenham arms.

And to the poster that said keep football out of the pubs. Why? There are a hell of a lot of people that enjoy meeting up with friends and watching the game over a few beers. 10 years ago it was easy to find somewhere that had the game on. Now days it is a lot harder.

There seems to be a real snobbery regarding pubs. There are some of us out there that like music, fruit machines and football.

31seconds said...

There seem to be a lot of posters on this thread who haven't actually been to the Wickham Arms for a while. I went there last night and there were 8 other people there which is clearly not viable even if it was Monday night. There were no ales on tap though I was told they were coming today. There was a smell of bleach as you walked through the door and a dog chasing its tail -- this was the best bit of the night.

The whole place just feels a bit tired and I'm not sure what the new tennant owner who probably doesn't have much money in invest in it further can do about that. However he could do worse than to keep it clean (without stinking the place out with bleach), keep up the live music and get some good ales on tap.

And if anyone had a business head on them they'd offer to make up local pies (like the ones sold in Brockley's new market) which he could sell with a couple of gerkins or pickled onions on the side so avoiding the massive overheads of running a proper kitchen while still providing some hearty grub.

Anonymous said...

31seconds, I agree with you about the pies idea - as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, some pubs do a very good job of minimal catering, by selling pies, sausage rolls, a cheeseboard or somesuch, as an intermediate stage between no food and full-on meals. Works well, low on hassle for the staff, and limited kitchen space required.
Something for the new proprietors at the Wickham to consider ...

biff bifferson said...

shame but it is a bit grubby. only time i ever saw it rammed was one new years eve before heading up to telegraph hill.
be nice if it was done up slightly different from all the other pubs - ravensbourne-esque - and that talbot, while selling leffes (ace) is a terrible, dull place

Anonymous said...

"The Telegraph has a brilliant jukebox, with a wide variety of classics, it's not too loud either and is great background music, especially as it's not often that busy it provides an atmosphere."

It is dreadful regardless of what is on. Background music is not needed in a pub especially when it is quiet and you could actually stand a chance of having a quiet conversation or read a book or paper. And it is far too loud.
Dog & Bell or even Weatherspoons remain the best bets.

Anonymous said...

Music is back on this Thursday 10/11/11 with Paul Astles and Bobby Valentino,then on Saturday 12/11/11 with Buick 6 who are worth seeing.

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