New Year's Eve Party at The Orchard

The Orchard's Ed writes:

We still have New Years Eve tickets available for you lovely people of Brockley. The party starts at 8pm and rolls on until 2am. It's £12 per ticket or £10 if you buy 4 or more. 

The ticket price includes a free cocktail and there is a fantastic DJ playing classic tunes to get you on the dance floor. If you have previously been to one of our NYE parties you will know that a good time is had by all, so if you're still deciding what to do, come join us and have the pleasure of being able to walk (or stumble) home. 

We hope to see some of you there on the night- Happy 2012!

31 comments:

NAT said...

I do believe the Talbot is free to visit.

Call me economical if you will.

Anonymous said...

It does not gladden the heart to see the pubs and bars you frequent all year in Brockley impose a door charge on New Years Eve.

I guess the message is buy a ticket or be turned away.

This is woeful trend that undermines the loyalty of regular customers. Misguided.

My feet will do the voting.

Tamsin said...

Agree up to a point, but with the extra costs of staying open on New Years Eve - paying your staff double time, paying (as I believe is the case) for an extension to your normal licence, paying over the normal odds for the entertainment, paying for additional cleaning and breakages, paying for the decorations and extras that make the party "zing!" - it might be thought reasonable to make some charge.

The profits on alcohol sales are not so great that they necessarily cover the extra costs. (See the Direct Gov < petition> on this matter - gone up by a massive two signatures in the past two weeks. Is it worth passing this link to any publican you know?)

Some places do the sums and make a charge (and I actually think a tenner is a little bit steep, even with the free cocktail) others do the same sums, decide to provide nothing much extra and not make a charge. As you say, you can decide with your wallet and feet.

Anonymous said...

A pub or bar concerned about costs could always save money and close on New Years eve.

Of course, if you want your establishment to be associated with celebration, parties and hospitality that would a very bad idea.

A door charge is a discouragement for regular customers. It is fine for a club, theatre or concert venue where the performers have to be paid for.

But these are places for social drinking and dining. The customers themselves make the entertainment, the establishment provides the hospitality.

The extra costs should be absorbed, after all there are few special occasions like this during the course of the year. It should be not much in the scheme of things and should be factored into the costs of providing consistent reliable hospitality.

You should never take something away if you value consistent patronage.

These are local bars, it is not the West End.

If you have to spend some extra cash just to get into your local, you might as well go up town.

Tim said...

Get over it people. We live in a market economy. They understand if you don't want to pay, you'll go elsewhere. I'm sure they'll put on a great night and there are plenty of people that will happily pay to join the party.

Anonymous said...

The public transport service has conveniently extended the reach of the Brockley consumer far beyond the staggering orbit of the handful of local bars on this festive occasion.

Free travel will apply on London Overground trains running after 2345 until last
train times.

A Saturday service will operate finishing at normal last train times, except on the Highbury & Islington – West Croydon route where trains will run every 15 minutes until 0139 from West Croydon and 0220 from Highbury & Islington.

Tamsin said...

Which does beg the question as to why they could not at least run a Sunday service on Christmas Day...

booble said...

The service i've experienced at The Orchard is not too good at the moment. You go in, staff are busy, fine, but they don't aknowledge you and say something - i'll be with you as soon as I can. It's rush past, nearly bumping into people. Ignore you some more.

The menu isn't that great either, the starters are very limited.

John said...

Tamsin, what you are saying is complete nonsense. Pubs rake it in on NYE even without an entry charge. The entry charge is about greed and I personally would stop frequenting a local if the landlord tried to charge me to get in.

I know a pub that once decided to charge to get it on NYE and most of the locals decided to never return. It went under. Shame.

Tamsin said...

No need to be quite so emphatic - I did say that I agreed with Anon. up to a point and that a tenner was too steep.

But if you want a proper party (rather than just the usual hospitable space open to you) isn't it reasonable to pay something towards it? Agreed pubs and bars might rake it in on New Years Eve but profit margins (with the tax etc.) are small and the overheads are extra high on the extended time. It is also a counter-intuitive but established fact that an extremely crowded pub actually makes less money than one where there is room to move - if it's too much effort to get to the bar people tend not to refill so often.

Hootenanny said...

Pubs are bussinesses first and foremost. They're not tunas a hobby. I know plenty of pubs that charge at NY and are still striving. Annoying but that's life. I'm less annoyed if there is something else offered over and above being allowed in. Hotels will charge more during the Olympics, same principle. Pubs and bars have a hard enough time making ends meet, this is one time of year that they can make a little extra. People be one pubs closing, are they the same people who complain when they charge at NY or make extra fro. Selling food?

Get over it, like you say find a pub that doesn't charge. It's no biggy.

Hootenanny said...

"Tunas a hobby"? iPad strikes again.

Tamsin said...

And the Orchard are offering a cocktail "on the house" to get a party mode going.

Anonymous said...

Charging entry for NYE is standard practice in loads of London bars and pubs these days, West End or not. Personally, given the size of The Orchard, and the fact it's hard to get a seat past 6pm on a Monday night, I'd prefer to know that I'd bought my ticket in advance and would be comfortably ensconced all night (I assume a seat is guaranteed for the ticket price??)

What we need is more bars in that *particular* part of Brockley - some competition would be good!

Tamsin said...

Some limit on numbers - achievable with ticketing - might also be a factor in the licence extension.

terrencetrentderby said...

will there be prams?

Anonymous said...

Am taking my double buggy.

Anonymous said...

Will it be free for babies and toddlers?

Anonymous said...

From the pr perspective, it would have been a good idea to have issued free passes as it were, for regular customers. Those planning on attending would have to have registered or paid a deposit or something - obviously the place cannot issue free passes then turn away potential customers.

In general, I am glad The orchard is here but not overwhelmed with its service.

Anonymous said...

Next will be Valentines day when the restaurants frequently pull a fast one with high prices, overloaded kitchens and poor service.

Businesses oriented towards regular dining stretch themselves considerably when they try to cater for special events.

It is a different sort of business and they struggle to handle the expectations.

I don't believe it!! said...

Good lord I've just got back from a festive break away from london and the computer and read this thread. I can't believe what people have written! A thriving local business makes an effort to put on a great NY party and people bitch and moan about an entrance fee. Shameful. I read the original post and the issue didn't even register. totally standard practise for any venue if they wish, centre of town or local. For heaven's sake, they will have had to cover all the extra costs already listed by another poster, let alone paying for a dj for the night. And it is a BUSINESS, not some free non-profit making social enterprise. If it turns people away then that's market forces and they probably won't do it again. Personally not a problem at all for me if I had been here. I hope the night was a storming success!

NAT said...

So do I, though I really enjoyed the company at The Talbot. It was understatedly festive, sort of.

Anonymous said...

And people obviously enjoyed the view from the Telegraph Hill Park - a full size wheelie bin and a half full of bottles and cans! Though not sure how someone managed to smash a bottle on the soft mud (quite tedious picking out hundreds of splinters of glass from among the grass) and it would have been nice for those who had even a hazy recollection of dropping bottles on the tennis courts to have turned up next morning to sweep up. However the first people coming along to play were happy enough to help the park keeper wield the dustpan and brush and the whole park was done by lunchtime.

Anonymous said...

Market forces? Exploiting the fact that there are very few local alternatives, more like.

I gave Brockley a miss on New Years Eve largely because I thought the local pub and bar owners were taking the Mick with their door charges.

I went into town and saw the Free fireworks and used the Free public transport to go to a Free house party buying drink at supermarket prices. I had a great time and partied until well after the bars and pubs of sleepy Brockley had closed for the night.

A lot of arbitrary charges are totally standard practice in business. It does not mean that they are a good idea.

Annoying regular local customers by imposing a door charge is poor judgement.

It encouraged me to make an effort to look elsewhere on NYE instead of spending my money locally in Brockley.

I hope the New Year brings about a bit of healthy competition and new bars and restaurants open up.

Having only one decent restaurant/bar in the area and a handful of mediocre pubs...Brockley needs more choice.

NAT said...

Anon @16;59 sounds a bit like Tamsin; Not the usual equanimity perhaps but..

The Mungwatcher said...

The obligatory reference to Telegraph Hill kinda gives it away doesn't it?

NAT said...

I'm going on the public spiritedness,(and turn of phrase) but I could be wrong.

patrick1971 said...

Did anyone actually go to the Orchard's NYE party? How was it? Was it worth the entrance fee?

Jam Circus also had something on and were also charging an entrance fee.

Outrageous the way local businesses try to make money.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, I did. It was great. And busy. And a real mix of ages. I hope the woman who went to the men's toilet in bare feet at about 1.30am is OK...

TM said...

I hope that wasn't the pre watershed type of bare feet (shown pre watershed!) exhibited in Sherlock the other night....;0)

Tamsin said...

Disconcertingly perceptive, NAT, and thank-you...

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