Is Hither Green more suburban than Brockley?

Hither Greenies have reacted with indignation on Twitter to the suggestion on last night's Location, Location, Location that their area is more suburban than Brockley.

We'd argue that it is - although whether that is a good or bad thing is a matter of opinion. Hither Green is further out, zone 3 rather than zone 2, without an ELL connection. Hither Green feels sleepier and cosier than Brockley, with fewer local venues, more houses and fewer flats. While we share Catford and Lewisham as neighbours, Hither Green is bounded by quiet Lee and genteel Blackheath, whereas we border New Cross and Deptford, which are neither quiet nor genteel. While Brockley has its fair share of young families, Hither Green seems to be exclusively populated by them.

Seems like an open and shut case to us, but if anyone wants to put an alternate view, let's hear it.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hither Green definitely more suburban. But is that really such a bad thing and to be reacted to with indignation?

Anonymous said...

It's zone 3. It has far fewer transport options. It's a smaller area than Brockley. It has practically no bars, cafes, restaurants. It's not a destination location by any stretch of the imagination. It's dormitoryville. Sorry HG peeps.

Cllr Mike Harris said...

This post feels a bit like a conversation in code.... Go on, say it - which place is "edgier"... You know you want to.

Anonymous said...

If you want edgy, move to Catford.

TM said...

Isn't its lack of pubs down to religious victorian developers?

Brockley Nick said...

@TM - Catford's certainly is

Tamsin said...

The Rosemary Tree, with the little triangle of grass and huge chestnut(as I recall) tree - as you walk up from Lee High Road, over the railway line footbridge and down into Lewisham Park - is almost Market Town/rural. And IMO lovely because of it.

That is what's so great about London, such variety within a few miles.

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ApplesAndPears said...

Without wanting to make a personal attack (because this isn't an attack)... the person who kicked off this thread from the general Location, Location, Location one below – by complaining of the description of Hither Green as being suburban – doesn't help her case by using a picture of her and her young child as her 'avatar' (is that the right term?) and listing her interests as the book club.

M said...

As a Hither Greenite (?) I would agree it is more suburban and that is why we moved here from Brockley. That and the big, totally refurbished 3 bed house with 80ft garden we got for 300k. No ELL true but far more frequent trains into London Bridge and Charing Cross.

M said...

The lack of pubs is a bugbear too. Or would have been before I had kids!

Timmy2wheels said...

Let's Move To...Hither Green! Sorry, but I don't want to waste 10 years of my precious life living somewhere with nothing going on, waiting for it to 'up-and-come'. Sure, there's loads of lovely period housing at a fraction of Brockley prices, but there's a reason for that.

Head below parapet said...

I always thought Hither Green was a bit like Crofton Park.

Rachel said...

Like Mike said, the hipsters in the programme (bloody hipsters) were just appalled at the idea of not being somewhere obviously 'edgy' - the house in Hither Green they dismissed as having no kerb appeal looked virtually identical to the one they cooed over in Brockley (disclaimer: was cooking dinner and all I really saw was that they were the same type of terraced square-bay-fronted houses).

Hither Green is "quieter" and "more family orientated" and yes, there's a problem with pubs in the heart because of the original covenants on the place, but there are fabulous places along the edges. But I'd take issue with "suburban" and I suspect the word only came up because they were trying to express their disgust at being shown somewhere that didn't fit their idea of who they are. Note they ended up with a former Masonic lodge in Camberwell!

Bloody hipsters :-P

Mb said...

I lived in Hither Green, I now live in Brockley

Hither green is more suburban. Next.

Tamsin said...

Trains to Charing Cross!!

Also a lot of the fast trains whizz straight through and stop there as the first stop. Which is a good thing if you live there but can be a bit of a bummer if you don't.

Way, way back when I got on one by accident so disembarked as that was the first opportunity. Left the station - not a clue where I was. And by that amazing serendipity that, by definition, sometimes occurs there was an incomplete A-Z discarded on the pavement, with just the pages I needed.

M said...

@Timmy... It's all relative. We moved to Brockley because it was more suburban and family orientated than Vauxhall. It still is.

The Bidet of Suburbia said...

'More suburban' is defined by how far a spot is from the centre of the city, in this case London.
Hither Green is therefore more suburban than Brackley.
It's simple, brav.

Mb said...

You mean bruv

Clare said...

I didn't complain, or react with indignation. :) HG is more suburban than Brockley, but as someone who grew up in the real suburbs of Manchester, I don't think it is suburban per se. It's in inner London for a start. Eltham, Bexleyheath, Welling etc, they are the suburbs.

Clare said...

I don't live in HG either, I live in Catford :)

Brightside said...

HG is great! You can buy a house here rather than just a flat. That's not just because it's cheaper, it's also because of the types of houses around here compared to the giant Brockley mansions. They are both suburbs. Seems pointless to compare them and slag one or the other off - both have their good and bad points and both are within the best part of London - South East.

Anonymous said...

The Lord Northbrook is a nice new pub on the Lee edge of Hither Green

DW said...

I lived in Brockley, now live in Hither/Lee Green. Latter better family-wise, but lacking the vibrant nightlife (ha!) of SE4.

Demi said...

I lived in Brockley 5-6 years ago for over 2 years before the ELL and the station was tarted up surrounded by posh cafes etc and loved it. Duke's and Super Cuts were in full flow, loads of trouble round Brockley Cross, I had two 'youths' try to mug me outside my own house on Upper Brockley Road. Fast forward now, it has been 'discovered' etc and the property prices have shot up.

I've lived in Hither Green for the past 2 years and love it just as equally, you are not that far from nice pubs, there are lots of lovely cafe's and parks. I work 5 days a week in central London so I'm not bothered for being surrounded by this, that and the other. I just want somewhere quiet, peaceful and reasonably priced.

Anonymous said...

If suburban means less traffic noise, a lack of stabbings and shootings...then I think Brockley can keep its urban myth of being edgy.

Hither Green has a pub at its centre, a vibrant art gallery come coffe shop, a regular cinema of its own, the glitteraty can be found hanging out at such places as the Cafe of Good Hope, You Don't Bring Me Flowers and Georges.

The area had a Tesco Express long before Brockley.

Hither Green has great links into town, last train home about 1am.

The suburban landscape means Hither Green has an elegant Clock Tower as a landmark building and Brockley has a big yellow storage unit.

Anonymous said...

Just discovered this thread and wanted to add that the transport options are fantastic, fast trains to london bridge, waterloo and charing cross. No cafes you say?! Have you actually been to Hither Green?!... try the hither green deli/you don't bring me flowers/cafe of good hope/tranqui/rhubarb and custard /the manor cafe/pistachios in the park/with jam and bread (yes its in Lee, but then Crofton park is not Brockley). No pubs you say? Try the newly revampt Station Hotel, or The Lord Northbrook or the Holly Tree. The Dacre Arms and the Ravensbourne Arms are also close by. You can get really excellent curries from panas/the spice of life/the darjeeling/bengal brasserie or chinese fromh2u/the taste inn/new spirit/there are plenty supermarkets, a farmer's market, a new excellent butcher and lots of specialist food shops indian/oriental/eastern european/turkish to name but a few. It is only a 10/15min stroll to Blackheath for lots of other pubs/restaurants. I moved from Brockley to Hither Green, and have no regrets. Its a lovely place and imho really doesn't feel any more suburban than Brockley did.

Pat O'Leary Barlow said...

I was born in Hither Green many many years ago. The address was 168 Springbank Rd I think and I remember it was on the same road as the station which wasn't far from the house, I believe there was a park towards the end of the road as well though no doubt it has all changed. Does any one know it. Left there was I was 7 and lived in Africa for 50 odd years.

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