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A quick plug for the new Edelman Corporate blog, which is currently populated with a grand total of one article. A quick article by us, with our familiar brand of combative optimism.
I think that the article is completely wrong. This is because I resent paying a penny for anything that is not made, grown or sung.All money that I part with for anything else I regard as theft. I regard those that inhabit the City of London, and who do not make, grow or sing things as thieves.
somebody please kill me
That is a point of view. And an interesting one for a researcher who does not make or grow anything and who presumably does not sing his research findings.Anyway, it's a point of view.
Surely that was satire.
Not satire.Research that contributes to making things or growing things better is useful.Research into how to trade commodities, stocks or currencies in order to make money from money is not.
I agree with the thrust of your article.Manufacturing nazis are plain wrong - and so are those who think the service sector is the only thing that counts.I'd disagree that anyone needs PR but still .....Also the article doesn't display properly on my iPhone so I can't see for sure, but is that a picture of you at the bottom Nick?Looks decidedly clean shaven not a hint of beardy weirdy-ness. Most surprising.
I'm not sure if I'm a manufacturing nazi, I'll have to chew in that one. Slightly depressed that David suggests that philosophers, authors, comedians, historians, and other thinkers have no value. In fact David's musings are a waste of the internets. Still, I'm an engineer so I'll survive the Leal purges that will follow the coup.
@mbBritain's railways as they currently are, are hardly an example of our manufacturing success.If anything they're an example of how backward we are - especially compared with the likes of France.I'd agree you're not a manufacturing nazi. Somewhere far far far far to the left of that. Manufacturing soviet perhaps.
Another groundless assertion. The same engineering firms buid railways in France and Germany as build ours, as nick points out, they're international concerns. Blame successive governments for the lack of investment if you must, not the skills required to build them. The biggest civil engineering job in Europe, one of the biggest in the world, happening right now in London using skill from predominantly British companies. Be proud, not cynical.
All to get to Brum 20 minutes quicker...
Don't give up the day job.
The neolithic worldview of the first commentator is amusing but I think I prefer a society where services such as education, entertainment, finance, healthcare, law, markets, science and transport, to name but a few, predominate over the making of things, as in fact has happened over the past 5000 years.Despite the current sentiment against the financial industry, developments in finance have often been instrumental in catalysing progress (coinage in Lydia and Greece, Lombardy bankers, the joint stock company, etc.) and enabling leisure for larger numbers of people.Manufacturing is still important in the UK, but its future lies in high tech/high value products, typically made by SMEs rather than volume consumer goods.
...though arguably healthcare and scientific research will ultimately be responsible for the end of the world. The biggest threat to us all right now is over-population, yet still billions of pounds are sunk into trying to make us all live longer. Great for us, not great for future generations.
well live healthier into old age a subtle and important diference, or do you think we should halt research into alzeimers, cancer and other illnesses of old age? As for scientific research being responsible for the end of the world? Depends on how you want to manipulate the argument, scientific research has revealed global warming and has suggested a cause and ways of reducing it. If scientists hadn't discovered that we would be merrily burning our vast coal reserves while the sea level rises. At least we are aware of an issue even if we are not doing a lot about it. I've never understood why more knowledge, in all spheres, and better communication is seen as a bad thing.
I don't agree with all David Leal says, but if, as seems imcreasingly likely, financial armageddon is on the way (Greece defaulting on its loans will be the first domino to topple, Spain the fifth or sixth) then making or growing stuff will be immeasurably more important than high tech and service industries. I fear we will look back and think we were crazy to be so heavily reliant on imports for the majority of things we need on a day to day basis. We'll still have derivatives traders and IT consultants galore, but that won't be too much comfort when we're all chewing the bark off trees. I'm put in mind of the spaceship in H2G2 that took all the hairdressers and estate agents off the planet...
>The biggest threat to us all right now is over-population, yet still billions of pounds are sunk into trying to make us all live longer.Who wants to live to a hundred (don't ask anyone who is 99)?How much better the world would be if we all died in our forties in poverty and pain, having produced 10 kids.For those interested in facts, take a look athttp://www.gapminder.org/videos/200-years-that-changed-the-world/or indeed anything by Hans Rosling and Gapminder.Population growth has slowed substantially in the last 50 years owing to economic growth based on science and engineering, and the only way that will continue without environmental degradation is for the continued intelligent application of R&D in many spheres.
"Research that contributes to making things or growing things better is useful.Research into how to trade commodities, stocks or currencies in order to make money from money is not."Surely depends entirely on personal definitions of "Useful?"Personally, the fact that city traders and their researchers are engaged in trying to grow pension funds is pretty useful because it means my pension may hopefully be worth something one day.The fact that bankers focussed all assets on subprime mortgages for years was idiotic in hindsight but it is what it is. We're living in a recession, get over it and move on, we still need someone doing that job whether you think it is useful or successful or ethical or whatever - what is the alternative?Is there some sort of communist Co-op where we can all pay in what we can afford but only withdraw what we need and live out our lives content with our prudent yet rewarding lifestyles? no there isn't - we are too greedy. Sorry if you don't think you are but it's not personal.
Too many Canary Wharf workers read this blog, hence the defensive comments. Bonfire of the Vanities?
>Is there some sort of communist Co-op ...?Yes, it's called North Korea. I won't hear a word said against it.
>making or growing stuff will be immeasurably more important than high tech and service industriesWithout high tech and service industries, what can be made or grown will be extremely limited and expensive. Intellectual capital enables stuff more than vice-versa.
Too many Canary Wharf workers read this blog, hence the defensive comments. Bonfire of the Vanities?Has Stereotyping For Dummies been released on paper back?
DD, the one man population explosion! ;-)
No need to go to Canary Wharf or the City - binmen, street sweepers, bus drivers, retail staff, all have at least one thing in common - they do not make anything, grow anything or sing anything to make their living.There are millions of other examples. Not satire - just mental.
"...hence the defensive comments...Has Stereotyping For Dummies been released on paper back?"Exactly.
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