Introducing the Greenwich Forum

The final piece of the South East Central puzzle* has fallen in to place today, with the creation of the Greenwich forum.


This weekend, Greenwich will celebrate becoming a Royal Borough for the Diamond Jubilee with firework displays in Woolwich on Friday night, Eltham on Saturday night and Greenwich town centre on Sunday night.

Crosswhatfields also notes:

On the Sunday there will be free entertainment and children's art workshops in and around Greenwich Market and the Maritime Museum from 10am – 5.30pm, and the document confirming the borough's royal status will be on show at the Discover Greenwich visitor centre.

The formalities take place on February 3rd and Greenwich Council has already got itself a new coat of arms, started changing street signs and jumped the gun by rechristening its Twitter feed Royal_Greenwich.

Coupled with its role this summer as an Olympic host borough, Greenwich's stock has rarely been higher.

As a republican son of Greenwich, Brockley Central cannot help feeling conflicted. It's wonderful that Greenwich - and by extension, South East London - is getting this sort of recognition, it's just a shame it's accompanied by such forelock-tugging, property-price speculating naffness.

South East Central's own tribute to Greenwich will no-doubt retain the property-speculation bit, but hopefully encourage broader exploration of a place which is arguably South East London's most important centre for culture, tourism, heritage, education and commerce.

Right now, the centre of Greenwich is one big construction site, as projects to restore the Cutty Sark, repave Cutty Sark Gardens and rebuild Greenwich Pier race to meet the Olympic deadline. On the peninsula, glacial progress by developers doesn't stop it being a fascinating live study of community building and urban design.  And, despite Inc's best efforts, it still boasts some of the area's best pubs.

Greenwich is beautiful, squalid, industrial and sedate in almost equal measure - and that's before you've begun to explore the varied delights of Charlton, Woolwich, Thamesmead, Plumstead, Eltham and many other names to conjure with.

But South East Central's Greenwich forum is devoted to the bit of Greenwich closest to Brockley, from Blackheath Hill to Westcombe Park. The closest bit to Brockley also happens to be the best bit. That's probably just a coincidence.

*Alright, there might be one more piece of the puzzle at a later date.

22 comments:

darryl said...

the bit of Greenwich closest to Brockley, from Blackheath Hill to Westcombe Park

Basically, Greenwich, then :-)

Quokka said...

Good to see my salary freeze (I'm a Greenwich Council employee) is going on really essential items like new street signs :-(

Lou Baker said...

Be thankful it's just a salary freeze. Private sector employees have had worse. And taken it for the good of their company's future - usually without whining.

Still, when you're feeling blue just remember the gold plated pension and other ridiculous benefits you get from being a state worker.

Anonymous said...

Yawn......

terrencetrentderby said...

we're all in it together*

*apart from company directors and council chiefs

patrick1971 said...

Speaking of matters Royal, is anyone planning a street party for the Jubilee? The woman who ran our Big Lunch said that this year the Big Lunch was going to be timed to coincide with the Jubilee, so I'm guessing our street will probably have one.

Anonymous said...

It was so kind of the Queen to coincide her jubilee with the Brockley Max.

Transpontine said...

'arguably South East London's most important centre for culture, tourism, heritage, education and commerce'

Tourism and heritage I would concede, not sure about the others!

Education - New X has Goldies, Deptford has Laban, Greenwich has Trinity College, all good, but I think round one to New Cross.

Culture - excluding tourist and heritage sites, don't think Greenwich has a more thriving arts or music scene than elsewhere (OK they do have the O2).

Commerce - not quite sure what you mean, but again excluding tourism double counting what else is there?

Brockley Nick said...

@Transpontine

Well I did say "arguably", but here we go:

"Education - New X has Goldies, Deptford has Laban, Greenwich has Trinity College, all good, but I think round one to New Cross."

Possibly. Greenwich Uni campus is pretty important and Ravensbourne is now on the Peninsula.

"Culture - excluding tourist and heritage sites, don't think Greenwich has a more thriving arts or music scene than elsewhere (OK they do have the O2)."

Well you've proven my point there. It has the biggest entertainment venue in Europe, a major National Museum, a Royal Park, and all the tourist sites you've excluded for some unspecified reason, but apart from all that, what has Greenwich got?

Well, it's also home to a summer programme of major outdoor events, the area's biggest dedicated comedy club, some major markets, an important fringe theatre, a yacht club, a decent festival and a clutch of other events and venues.

Clearly miles ahead of anywhere else on volume alone. You may prefer the more home-made charms of New Cross, Deptford or Brockley, but there's no denying Greenwich's supremacy in terms of scale.

"Commerce - not quite sure what you mean, but again excluding tourism double counting what else is there?"

Well admittedly, SE London is pretty piss poor all round, but there's a clutch of offices being developed on the Peninsula, which is after all a huge regeneration site. Greenwich also still has a a fair amount of heavy industry. Its hotels also do a decent line in business meetings and there are a lot of small businesses operating in Greenwich. Again, clear winner.

NAT said...

The Ahoy club (Brilliant) v Greenwich Yacht Club (Nice building) yah go to it clubs.

Greenwich does still have a functioning grain silo fed weekly by a lonely merchantman. so that stands to its mercantile present. Long may it last.

The best of luck on this extennsion Nick. I'm sure that there are things Greenwichers want to get off their chest when speaking freely as well.

Tamsin said...

It's got a Waterstones, Pickwick Papers and the expensive Christmas presenty end of the market - but "normal" shops, like the excellent hardware store that used to be there, and places to find bargains, like the Auction House and the outside market have been eroded by yet more eateries and for parking.

(Nevertheless - out of season plug but someone may remember for next year - there's charity cards in St Alfege's from the beginning of November.)

NAT said...

'Sabos', next to 'The Spreadeagle', (of quirky window advert fame) has great greeting cards throughout the year, many locally themed.

Yes the loss of the hardware store and Moores Auction Rooms (now The Auctioneer Pub) are regretted.

It was a 'realer' high street with them.

Anonymous said...

"South East Central's Greenwich forum is devoted to the bit of Greenwich closest to Brockley, from Blackheath Hill to Westcombe Park."

Devoted to meaning at the exclusion of the rest of Greenwich? Why?! What purpose does that serve?

That's like adding Dulwich to the forum but then saying only people from East Dulwich can post there as it's the bit nearest to Brockley. Madness.

Brockley Nick said...

Anon, it's the same principle we've adopted for all of the sections on South East Central. People primarily want to talk about stuff in their neighbourhood, so we create forums dedicated to each area. In the same way BC readers are relatively indifferent to things happening in Catford but will be energised by the state of the pavements on Brockley Road, Greenwich forumers are less liklely to be interested in what's going on in other parts of the boroug, like Plumstead or Eltham.

Maybe one day we'll add further neighbourhoods, if there's a demand. In the mean time, for everything else, there is the General section of the forum.

Chrism said...

But you're not talking about boroughs and never have been?

The area forums are for towns and areas but you seem to want to exclude north Greenwich in Greenwich town?

Brockley Nick said...

@Chrism - no I don't, I just mean the Greenwich / North Greenwich bit of Greenwich borough. All of the forum area descriptions are necessarily vague and linear.

As darryl says in the first response "Basically, Greenwich then"

Anyway, don't get too hung up on my descriptions of areas, it's your forum, you can post what you like.

Anonymous said...

Not all of us here are Republicans. Some of us are very proud of the Royal Family (if not proud of every member of it) and our heritage. Due respect is not toading and a bit more respect in the world today would not be a bad thing. So less of your left-wing republicanism please.

I'm jealous (as well as pleased for) of Greenwich and a bit ashamed that I don't live in a Royal Borough.

At long last it shows that SE London is as good as SW London.

Hooray for the Queen, Prince Phillip, Prince Charles and the Duke of Cambridge.

Mb said...

I'm a republican (obviously)

Anonymous said...

I'm a staunch Royalist and believe in the divine right of Kings.

Because of this I cannot countenance the supplanting and execution of an annointed sovereign because his views or religion have become unfashionable.

I have reservations about the present line for that reason and my fealty must be to Prince Max of Bavaria and his issue.

Prince Max of Bavaria said...

I cannot be consenting to figurehead any country where everything stops because it is a little snowing.

It is snowing right here right now and still we see many subjects going about their business. That is good is it not.

I am not at all interested in this succession and Anonymous I think that you are a mischief making one for I care as little for the Stuart tartan and their many windbag pipes. Unfortunately this I have not had any joy to announce on a state occasion.

FrFintonStack said...

"And, despite Inc's best efforts, it still boasts some of the area's best pubs."

I'd be very grateful if someone could let me know where these are, as every time I'm there I don't seem to be able to avoid bland pubco houses.

NAT said...

Father, there are some charecterful ones down back streets. The Morden Arms on the junction of Brand and Circus streets springs straight to mind.

That might suit the discretion advisable for a man of the cloth.

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