Honeypot raided

This is Local London reports that the Honeypot restaurant on Upper Brockley Road has been raided and a man arrested:

A quantity of cannabis was seized and a 55-year-old man arrested for immigration offences.

Neighbouring shop Super Cut recently lost its licence to sell alcohol as the Council attempted to cut down on anti-social beaviour at this location. In this instance, the police were keen to show that they are now pursuing a zero-tolerance policy in the area, after a decade of complaints from local residents about crime related to groups loitering outside the two establishments. This is Local London continues:

Police Sergeant Jon Biddle said: "I am aware of the ongoing and long term issues in Upper Brockley Road concerning anti social behaviour and drug supply.

"Working in partnership with Lewisham Council my team and I are going to be addressing the problems that blight our residents and cause a disproportionate amount of crime and disorder on the ward.

"We will be claiming the streets of Brockley back for the law-abiding majority."

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sigh. He was only selling recreationals for god's sake.

Anonymous said...

What does that mean? Just nice, harmless drugs with no connection to organised crime?

Anonymous said...

I'm sure people wouldn't mind so much if they didn't spend most of their time arguing/shouting/shooting about it

Anonymous said...

The connection is due to ill-conceived and unjustifiable laws and conventions but remains nonetheless.

It should not come as news to anyone that most academics in the field(i.e. those who have studied the cause and effect involved without bias/payment) believe that we will never win a war (war!?) on drugs (or prostitution for that matter) and the significant detriment arises largely out of choices made by weak governments/peoples.

Puff the Magic Dragon said...

Erm....was going to make a point but I forget.....oohhh! Pringles!

Anonymous said...

uh oh ... the new hyrdo business in brockley cross has lost another customer.

Anonymous said...

It's a bit of weed, get over it. Talk about taking a steamroller to a butterfly.

Concerned local said...

Concerned by the tone of this report
As far as i am aware Honeypot and Super Cut are two different and separate businesses. Super Cut lost its alcohol license revoked but i am unaware of any criminal charges or proven drug supplies. Very different to This case where they seem to have found "a quantity of drugs" (although that could yet be very little). Why have you connected the two businesses so strongly in your report. What evidence of a connection do you have.?

Luc said...

That's the last time I recommend anywhere in the Guardian. Try the goat.

Brockley Nick said...

@Concerned - the only connection is that the two businesses are next door to one another and both have been subject of official interventions (of different kinds, of course) following complaints about anti-social and criminal behaviour associated with the groups that gather outside them.

I haven't suggested any other connection, nor would I. Also, the report does not say that anyone connected with the Honeypot has been charged with supplying cannabis, merely that some was found on the premises.

Anonymous said...

i have seen both places raided by the police for drugs , although years apart

Anonymous said...

I'm glad to see that finally the police are working towards improving the corner of Upper Brockley Road.

For years that zone has been a point of access to get cannabis and other drugs, and local residences have noticed particular gatherings of groups and gangs that loiter in front of properties, at times even intimitaded and threatened, as I have.

I wouldn't be surprised if people were buying more than just a take-away to eat, after all, it makes business sense to provide something for when you get the munchies after your spliff.

Well done, I hope to see continued enforcement by the police.

Captain Perspective said...

Anonymous said...

What does that mean? Just nice, harmless drugs with no connection to organised crime?

Could be exactly that. Do you know how weed is grown? With hydroponics in spare rooms just like those sold locally. Try and create a link with crime if you want - it may end up being tenuous at best.

There's nothing that makes what was being used here different from your locally sourced, organic rubbish you lot keep prattling on about. If it was sold in a twee hessian bag and had Daily Mail approval, you'd absolutely lap it up.

Now tell me who the bad man is in this story.

Anonymous said...

I am a local resident and am grateful for the police for their action. Yes it is just a few drugs but there IS a link with crime and the antisocial behaviour on this corner. Only today I saw a woman pushed over by a man when she walked too close to him when he was 'doing a deal' with someone in a very nice car. When you face endless abuse from these people, anything that is correlated to the anti-social behaviour should be stamped out.

Unless you think a shooting, being spat at as you walk home, or incessant urination at your front door is acceptable. In which case you're deluded.

Crofton Steve said...

"Concerned by the tone of this report
As far as i am aware Honeypot and Super Cut are two different and separate businesses"

Despite Nick's Argument that its simple case of reporting the facts, I have to agree with "Concerned Local" about the tone and connection of the two establishments in the report.

It reeks of putting groups in the same pot (excuse the double pun) for no other reason than to generate a predictable response from the more ignorant on here...

Anonymous said...

Well done police! It must have been triggered from complaints from alot of people around the area. Obviously if honeypot are not criminal, police can't do much anyway? Common sense will tell this is obviously not the case.

Jenny - mortal kombat said...

In my country there are many problems because of drugs ... that cause a lot of insecurity ... very good article thanks

Anonymous said...

In my country there are a lot of problems because of spam, thanks.

Graham said...

Anonymous, Mortal Kombat makes a valid point and that's all you can say? Child.

Anonymous said...

New to the medium Graham?

Anonymous said...

Drugs are illegal. If the police want to raid the place it is their choice.

Good or bad? Who cares, it is legal, so let's move on to another subject.

If you want drugs to be legalised, start a campaign... somewhere else

Thanks

Anonymous said...

"We will be claiming the streets of Brockley back for the law-abiding majority."

I've heard all this before..but maybe, just maybe they mean business this time. It's long overdue.

Brockley Nick said...

Graham, the "Jenny" whose honour you are defending is a spam bot, promoting Mortal Kombat. You have failed the Turing Test.

Anonymous said...

"If the police want to raid the place it is their choice."

Whilst there may be discretionary arrangements for certain offences the police cannot elect when to enforce the law as such.

Oh, and I agree that the law is wrong with regards cannabis and drugs generally btw.

Shonky Honky said...

What's the bet that the majority of people who frequented the Honey Pot, (or got there substance from someone who got it from the Honey Pot) were typical Brockley folk - ie, white middle class.

Again, it's supply and demand. Gee, isn't theat the reason for business in the first place. At least they knew their market. Anti-social behaviour is one thing. Geting your dope from a shop and smoking it at home crashed out in front of The One Show is another thing.

Grrr - typical stroy with a typical front page headline.

Brockley Nick said...

"Grrr - typical stroy with a typical front page headline."

What does that mean? The story is what it is, the headline was a succinct summation of what actually happened.

I'm sorry the news doesn't suit you.

Brockley Nick said...

Also...

"What's the bet that the majority of people who frequented the Honey Pot, (or got there substance from someone who got it from the Honey Pot)"

To reiterate, the story does not say that anyone connected with the Honeypot has been charged with dealing.

"were typical Brockley folk - ie, white middle class."

That is not the dominant socio-economic demographic of Brockley. Brockley is highly diverse and the majority of residents are on low incomes.

Anonymous said...

Is it the drugs that blanks out from peoples minds the violence associted with illegal drugs?

Why else would distrubutors drive around with machetes, knives or guns at the ready?

Some people need to get a whiff of reality.

I wonder if those delighting in a drug culture give any thought to the mass murders that have taken place so individuals can frazzle their brain?

I suspect the answer is no, they selfishly just think of themselves.

Anonymous said...

That last post a sponsored message by The Daily Mail

We've already explained that most such trading happens without any other sorts of crime or violence.

NAT said...

Not here it didn't.

Who's we?

Anonymous said...

@11.05 - I assume they can visit any shop at any time to check for drug dealing. I assume it is their call which lead they follow and which one they don't. In that sense it is their choice.

Until it is illegal, they have the right to do so.

Anonymous said...

Takeaways are often used as the cover for drug dealing.

The food is a bit of a neglected sideline, as will be evident if you ask for some.

Brockley Burgher said...

This place is a joke..last night no exception

Cheese Burger said...

What do you mean?

Brockley Burgher said...

Passed by there at 9.30ish..such a racket. Someone in the middle of the road holding up traffic, people spillin' out of that plumbers shop, knocked out by the smell of weed and booze. I'd go nuts living at that end.

Anonymous said...

A similarr 'shop' in Brockley Cross got raided on Friday night too and arrests made. Both ends of Upper Brockley Road have seen police enforcement last week. The police do mean business here I can promise you. Both the local police and Lewisham Council receive a high number of complaints about this road and will take action. Any information like the above needs to be called in to Lewisham Police on the night, please.

Anonymous said...

The Honeypot is a brilliant Caribbean takeaway, and the food is top notch. How dare some people on here say it's little more than a front. A guy in the backroom got arrested after being found with 'a quantity' of weed, could be a couple of joints in his pocket for all we know. There isn't that much money to be made from selling a few bags of weed you know.

People got the off license closed down as they thought it was contributing to people hanging about outside, as it hasn't made much of a difference they're now gunning for the takeaway. People have been hanging out there for years and a few local nimby's aren't going to stop them.

Anonymous said...

I too am picking up on some of the dog whistles in this article.

Won't be long between we have a riot on our hands, between the nimby busybodies and real brockley.

Brockley Nick said...

"I too am picking up on some of the dog whistles in this article."

Go on then, what are they?

Anonymous said...

Please feel free to contact your local Safer Neighbourhood Team. The e mail address is on their website. I know they would be more than willing to speak to anyone about UBR and the area.
The fact of the matter is that drug are dealt there, this does attract criminals, there are numerous complaints to both the police and council about anti social behaviour and local residents DO feel intimidated by the actions of some in the area.
I know not everyone will see it like this but these are the facts as I see them. I fully support the SNT/police and LBLewisham in there approach.
It's good to have a debate though!

Saul T Fish said...

We buy patties from the Honeypot. They're delicious.

Anonymous said...

I thought this was a blog for serious comments/debate. It's more like a sixth form common room!

Anonymous said...

I for one hate walking through a mob of stoned losers everyday taking my kids to and from school. Its just a really unpleaseant experience walking through a group of 20-30 people and when you know for a fact that there have been drug and gun related crimes within this group then it is just unacceptable. There are a few 'right-on' holier than thou comments here which is too easy. you have to draw a line somewhere.

Anonymous said...

I agree. There is a real problem in this street and this does attract pretty bad people to the are, who deal drugs, commit crime and (sometimes) use firearms whilst they cause anti social behaviour by standing around shouting at each other and abusing people who ask them to be quiet.
I bet most of them don't live on the street either as they all seem to drive away at the end of the night - usually drunk or stoned!
I support any action taken to stop it by the police. Well done.

Anonymous said...

That area has been a problem for years. Lots of dodgy guys hanging around causing a nuisance. Sometimes they start fighting,

They are little better than the tramps who hang around Deptford High St and they are a good deal more menacing.

Brockley used to have so much of this. The area around the station was once a virtual no-go area because the Brockley Barge (Breakspeares Arms as it was then) was the HQ for a local gang and buyers and sellers of 'recreationals' used to come from far and wide. The place was rife with muggings and the streets weren't safe.

Some of that criminal element still live around Brockley and they do their business from dodgy takeaways, gambling and drinking clubs.

That underworld sometimes rears its ugly head when there is a shooting or murder.

Hopefully, if the authorities keep up the pressure, the streets will be safer and this area left in peace.

Anonymous said...

"I too am picking up on some of the dog whistles in this article"

pathetic..

Anonymous said...

If all they found on this raid is a small quantity of cannabis then that suggests there is obviously no large-scale dealing going on there; and while cannabis is still linked to wider crime, it's generally on a much smaller scale than most other drugs.

Personally I've only been in there to buy food. Had some jerk fish which wasn't the most amazing I've ever had, but certainly decent enough to suggest the food isn't just some half-arsed afterthought. Judging from the photos inside both Ian Wright and Lennox Lewis have eaten there too, alongside about a million reggae musicians. They can't ALL have been going there to pick up draw...

Regards the crowd that hang around nearby - who's to say they'd go anywhere else if the Honeypot was closed? I've lived two minutes down Lewisham Way from that corner for 9 months and genuinely haven't ever seen any fighting or aggressive behaviour. Just some people hanging about. Maybe I've just been lucky, but haven't ever found it particularly threatening myself...

NAT said...

Don't think that anyone called for The Honeypot to be closed Anon. but maybe they did and I missed that bit.

NAT said...

And for the rest, you just missed the last piece of gunplay if you're there nine months.

Sorry, used to be more regular.

Ian on the Hill said...

Whatever the Honeypot is like as a business, the guys who hang around there are extremely dodgy. This isn't about a bit of weed, it's about gangs and guys who take over that road and threaten violence to anyone who crosses them. And yes, I've been threatened - one of the Honeypot 'clients' who parked his car across the road, blocking it off totally while he lounged about it the cafe and threatened anyone who asked him to move the car.
It's not around a bit of recreational dope, it's about the violent gun and knife carrying dealers who trade it and the young street gangs hanging around their dealers.

Shard lover said...

What Ian said

Anonymous said...

I agree wholeheartedly with what Ian says. This is the kind of behaviour that having drug dealers around attracts

Anonymous said...

Exactly right Ian. People who write on here are ill informed and speculative. Nice to hear from an actual resident. "A bit of weed" may not of hurt anyone (apart from the obvious and proved links to mental health issues) but as you say its the morons who think they live in SC Los Angeles that frequent the place.

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