Mantle Convection

The wrapping has come off the parade of shops on the intersection of Mantle, St Asaph and St Norbert Roads. The parade has had another story added to it, a project which has taken long months of work. Now, thanks to Julian, who sent in this photo, we can see the results for ourselves.

Oh.

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dear god, the stencils on Broca make me cringe.

Anonymous said...

Cheap developers f*cking up Brockley makes me wretch. I now believe these new builds are being done by GCSE students with a macbook.

mp said...

i guess with a "spash of paint" will look fine...it's not too offensive to be honest. Nothing compared to Jude court

Meg said...

Jeez that looks really shabby and just so cheap. The way they've tried to match the layout of the windows with the floor below just looks weird. I doubt very much they'll paint it as that's more work and maintenance to do in the future.

It's one thing to put up a cheap building but when it's part of an older one it really stands out. Does it always have to be lowest cost of materials first, quality of build and appearance second?

Thom said...

It also intersects with Arica Road too... The greatest road of them all!

Is there a shortage of bricks when it comes to building new homes/extensions now or something?

Anonymous said...

That colour finish doesn't age well either. Shows up dirt really easily, bird muck, the green algae stuff you get on concrete, and especially with the tree there. No forethought at all.

pedant said...

"Storey" not "story" unless you are American.

"Retch" not "wretch".

It wasn't exactly beautiful before, was it? Can't see it makes that much difference.

Anonymous said...

Westside is Brockley's enterprise zone - in a way its good to have a space in the area where development can go ahead without too much regard to the planning office.

Anonymous said...

@Pedant (cf.spellbot) - Beauty cannot be exact and there is a whole new storey that you simply must be able to see.

Jonny said...

@anon 16:42

Well not if you live this side is it so good to have a space where you can bash anything up no questions asked.

How is it an enterprise zone building loads of shonky flats and a the odd shop? This hasn't been designed as a zone like the space off Drakefell. In terms of enterprise zones what about the Mews? Plenty of empty units down there for workshops and businesses. But the residents down there seemed to put the kibosh on all of them.

pedant said...

"Beauty cannot be exact and there is a whole new storey that you simply must be able to see."

I'll have what he's having.

Anonymous said...

You're all just repeating the same protestations the Victorians made...






jk.

Aricana said...

@ Thorn

Maybe you could explain why you think Arica Road is 'the greatest road of them all'!

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Anonymous said...

It's an extension, get over yourselves you bunch of snobs.

Tressilliana said...

It's an extension that looks like it's been ripped off the top of another building and dumped on this one. It would have been OK if it had resembled the existing building in style or it was in a similar scale. It doesn't, it's hideous and Lewisham planning must have been asleep on the job to let this through.

Anonymous said...

Why do you care Tressilliana?

It's far away from your precious road namesake.

Brockley Nick said...

That's right, we should each only care about our own roads. Or perhaps only the bit of pavement directly outside our own homes. Society, charity, government, community, civic pride - all meaningless concepts to you.

Anonymous said...

Looks alright to me, but any reason for a good moan eh curtain twitchers!

Grrrrrrrr said...

The Lewisham planning department was always a joke and it must be even more so now that they've cut some jobs I think. They signed off plans for our loft conversion that we subsequently realised were rubbish; when my husband phoned to speak to them about it and point out the numerous errors the lady said 'oh, I wouldn't have signed them off if i'd noticed any of those things'. I can't believe they actually spend any time at all looking at the actual plans submitted in any detail.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr said...

Luckily we realised in time, I hasten to add, and we're able to submit new plans; however, it meant that we had no grounds to get our money back from our useless surveyor as his promise was that his plans would be signed off by the council. Obviously he knew, as we didn't at that time, that the council signs off any old guff.

Anonymous said...

So what you actually mean Grrrrrr, is that Lewisham council don't cowtail and pander to nimby's, curtain twitchers, and "noting down Sky dishes in the conservation area" sorts... isn't this a GOOD thing? A little discretion? A little "small government"? Letting people get on with things without endless red tape?

Grrrrrrr said...

No, I mean that the planning department don't look at plans thoroughly and pass things that are badly designed. I have first-hand experience of this, as explained. And no I don't agree that flouting conservation rules should be ignored. It's either a conservation area with rules to be followed or it's not. I don't live in the conservation area by the way.

Grrrrrrrr said...

No, anon, obviously that is not what I mean. I mean exactly what I said: that Lewisham planning pass things that shouldn't be passed because they don't look at the plans thoroughly. The lady admitted herself that our plans should not have been passed.
And no, I don't think that people should be able to flout conservation area rules. It's either a conservation area with certain rules that make it such, or it's not. I don't live in the conservation area by the way so my loft plans were nothing to do with CA restrictions; they were just drawn up by someone who didn't seem to know what he was doing.

Grrrrrr said...

Sorry for repetition - phone unreliably informed me there had been an error.

Jeremy said...

Honestly I am dismayed that I can see this when I look out of my window.

My Victorian sash window, of my house now worth 600k that I bought for a song 10 years ago when white home-county people were still too scared to move to Lewisham.

If people insist on building workhouses for the poor please do it somewhere rubbish like Catford, or New Cross.

Anonymous said...

"And no I don't agree that flouting conservation rules should be ignored."

That's an interesting point - my own personal interpretation of the conservation area rules is that on paper they're rather rigid, which allows for a little discretion in the real world. If the rules were themselves lax to begin with, the secondary discretionary element would be too casual to maintain conservation status.

Denying people things like Sky dishes in this day and age comes across as more than a little pompous and reminds me of Hyacinth Bucket sorts.

Anonymous said...

I love how any discussion about aesthetic merit quickly turns into a rich/poor debate. Because only snobbish rich people care about public spaces looking good, right?

Anonymous said...

The Brockleycentral troll is a one-trick pony who tries to bring social class into every discussion.

This extension looks awful.

I guess the developer was trying to make a fast buck.

Makes me wonder whether the inside has also been done on the cheap.

Anonymous said...

I've been inside and the floors are marble and kitchen made out of reclaimed aged hardwood.

The developers told me they were not doing this to make a profit.

Anonymous said...

"Denying people things like Sky dishes in this day and age comes across as more than a little pompous and reminds me of Hyacinth Bucket sorts."

Sky dishes are an eyesore. If you want one disfiguring your house then don't buy a house in a Conservation Area. It isn't difficult to understand and has nothing to do with pomposity.

Personally I can't understand why anybody want to give money to a Murdock owned operation in any case.

Anonymous said...

Think the builders forgot to take their portakabins with them...

kolp said...

If that picture is of the finished works i can understand people's fury.

Aricana said...

I don't think it's quite finished yet. I heard that they had to take the scaffolding down so that they could install the balconies.

Anonymous said...

Scaffolding, Aricana?
Tha's not scaffolding .. those ARE the balconies. Don't you recognise modern architectural design when you see it?

polka dot said...

They need to finish the job off by adding a further ten or so floors, each shorter than the one below (the penthouse floor would be like something out of Being John Malkovich) and each a different architectural style. It would look like a really funky version of City Hall.

Tamsin said...

@ Thom - not necessarily a shortage of bricks - possibly a shortage of money or time. The original plans for what became Crystal Palace in Hyde Park could not be pursued (thankfully) because the requisite number of bricks could not be made the two year timescale. Apart from modern aesthetics and the principle of a totaly new start, Crossways was put up in pre-fabricated chunks because Steve Bullock had promised the new facility by the beginning of an academic year (September 2005 or was it 2006?) and the wet trades (brick-laying and plasterwork) could simply not be factored into that time window.

On satellite dishes, the whole of the Telegraph Hill Conservation area (and presumably Brockley) was laid to cable at the council's expense in the 1990s - green boxes cluttering up the street-scape being a lesser evil than satellite dishes. If you need sattelite - as some Greek neighbours of ours did for TV in their own language - you can still have a dish if it is out of site from the public roads. What bugs me is the Sky salesmen who blithely promise free installation in what they know full well is a conservation area covered by an Artcle 4 directive who don't tell their clients that planning permission is required and could well be refused.

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