The Hilly Fields Summer Fayre 2012

The Hilly Fields Midsummer Fayre will take place on 23 June 2012, 12noon-3pm.

The application form for stalls at the fayre are now on Brockley Society's website www.brockleysociety.org.uk

32 comments:

Tamsin said...

Um - Saturday 23rd June. Closer to Midsummer...

JPM said...

A hypocritical bunch if ever. This is what it says on its website - and now they're supporting devlopment in the mews:

"We spent 30 years arguing against residential development in the Mews that would benefit only developers, would be detrimental to the character of the Conservation Area and would add to loss of water resources. The council now agrees! A Bill is going through parliament trying to stop development of gardens, currently designated as Brownfield sites and therefore fair game for the developers. We are ahead of the field!"

Anonymous said...

@JPM are you saying this is a dishonest fayre? :-(

Anonymous said...

How appalling - I live within the conservation area and I am therefore inducted into the Brockley Society against my specific wishes - their double talk, spin doctors and association with 'foxes', is more than I can stand.

Whatsmore, I live in Ladywell, of which Hilly Fields is a part, and the occupation of Hilly Fields – which the Brockley Society co-opts at the drop of a hat without any consultation with Ladywellians – is tantamount to an aggressive act of war - if this was the Korean Peninsula we would be have gone beyond the trading insults stage and be deep into sabre rattling.

Anonymous said...

There's a more honest fayre happening on Blackheath Common

Anonymous said...

Has anyone sought proper permission from the BDS to enter the circle?

Tamsin said...

Hilly Fields, I would have thought, is big enough to accommodate both Broc. Soc. and Ladywellites as the need arises. The Broc. Soc. annual event - which takes a heck of a lot of organising for very little gratitude - is on the Brockley side of the green space and one day a year. How does that impact on Ladywell?

It is also incredibly unfair to accuse people of being hypocritical if they change their views or decide to bow graciously to the inevitable. If they stuck by their original attitudes they would be being accused of pig-headedness. A no-win situation.

Anonymous said...

There is no 'Brockley side of the green space' - Hilly Fields is in Ladywell in its entirety. And I am ingracious about the annual event, I never go to it, but living close, indeed within sight of Hilly Fields, I do hear it - and what I hear generally sounds like the braying of a field full of Brockley donkeys.

Anonymous said...

Ladywell is in Brockley

Osh said...

Yes! http://bit.ly/HsFXlm

Anonymous said...

So you have no interest in going to the fayer so presumably don't know who actually goes but can safely conclude that its rubish and the visitors dislikeable. all based on hearing people use a public space.

Donkey you say?

Anonymous said...

If you are going by postcodes, then part of Ladywell is in Brockley (SE4) and part is Lewisham (SE13). And, on that basis, the whole of Hilly Fields is in Brockley.

Even just looking at a map (and noting where Brockley Cemetery and Brockley Grove are) I can't see that Ladywell has a claim over more than about 1/3rd of Hilly Fields Park.

Broc Soc have done a lot more for Hilly Fields than anybody else, so go for it Broc Soc - have your Summer Fayre and enjoy it.

NAT said...

A faraway braying as of Donkeys.

Loving it.

An authentically Georgian insult.

Anonymous said...

The Ward maps, look at the ward maps - Hilly Fields is entirely in Ladywell.

Brockley Nick said...

Wards don't define an area. Half of Brockley ward is north of Lewisham Way, which many people would consider St Johns and / or Deptford. Stupid argument, move on.

Anonymous said...

Agreed, Nick. A totally stupid argument.

If wards defined residential areas any part of Brockley or Honor Oak to the west of the railway line would be in Telegraph Hill.

It's the ward boundaries which are stupid.

Anonymous said...

Wards are, like constituencies, there to group similar numbers of voters for electoral purposes and they change from time to time to keep up with population movements.

They have little relevance to the mapping of a community to a geographical area.

Conservation areas are a similarly limited. There is a lot within them that is clearly not worth conserving.

Maybe a set of brylcreamed estate agents should convene a meeting in a wine bar to come up with a home owners map of South East London.

Anonymous said...

"Wards are, like constituencies, there to group similar numbers of voters for electoral purposes and they change from time to time to keep up with population movements."

Unfortunately Lewisham Council seems to think they have other purposes - like grouping people together for Community Councils, where commonality of interest and community would actually seem to be more important than grouping for electoral purposes. This makes things like the Brockley Ward or Telegraph Hill Ward community meetings a bit of a waste of time and organisations like Broc Soc and the Telegraph Hill Society or Ladywell Society more important as they do represent commonality of interest not just arbitrary groups of similar numbers of people.

Anonymous said...

If you want a consensus view on where Brockley is... this site compares the GPS location of photos taken on Flikr with the area the photographers said they were taken in.

http://boundaries.tomtaylor.co.uk/#20089486

Hilly Fields? Proper Brockley.

Anonymous said...

get over yourselves and get on. don't you have anything better to worry about?

Anonymous said...

I really enjoy the fayre every year and live in ladywell/catford- so i dont really see what this whole silly argument about postcodes and who has more of the park is all about- its for the enjoyment of everybody.im neither pro Brocsoc or against it. i do really think people should not be negative about it without having ever gone- go and then if you still hate it then okay thats your decision but dont just assume. theres a really nice community spirit about the fayre

lewishamcampaigner said...

It would be really nice, just once to read something positive on this Blog.Far to view people in this Borough make any real contribution to it, other than Bitch people that make an attempt to make a difference, Be it Lewisham People before profit, or the Brockley Society.We have a Major economic Crises, a truly awful Labour Lead Council.. and the big battle on your Blog.... is the roll of the Brockley society, that is open to all, and therefore any concerns can be changed or addressed by a vote.And seeking to divide one part of the borough against another..

Brockley Nick said...

"and the big battle on your Blog.... is the roll of the Brockley society"

No it isn't. It was just one of many discussions that take place on the site on any given day, and a topic very worthy of discussion.

"It would be really nice, just once to read something positive on this Blog"

There are positive articles and comment daily. What positive ideas have you offered?

kolp said...

I think you touch on a very interesting point Lewisham Campaigner regarding the contributions people make to the area.

I would say more but no further comment.

Anonymous said...

Many people who contribute to this blog have a higher regard for themselves than the society in which they live - and this blog provides a platform for many ill-informed people.

Anonymous said...

Luckily for us you're so much better than that, right?
What was that about self regard again?

Anonymous said...

so are there donkey rides at the fayre? or have i missed the point?
confused from brockley, ladywell, lewisham and crofton park.

Anonymous said...

Just jumping on this postcode electoral ward debate - I live in st donatts road SE14. It's in the Brockley electoral ward What do you reckon - brockley or new cross?

Tamsin said...

I'd say Brockley - New Cross is a narrow strip along the south of the A2 and a wider one north of it. But it is all terribly subjective...

Anonymous said...

Thanks Tamsin. I see myself as living in Brockley but I was curious to hear what others thought! As our postcode is se14 and our nearest station is new cross a few people have said they'd consider st donatts new cross. I guess we're just on the border as Goldsmiths university describes itself as New Cross, even though the main site is south of the A2. As you said, i guess it is very subjective

Gruppen Fuhrer Monkeyboy said...

Nick has already rolled our tanks onto the best parts of SE London, the low countries are fully annexed. The Rhine like A2 is the only barrier to the choice principalities north of New Cross road. One more winter should complete the project.

Tamsin said...

I dunno - Telegraph Hill is putting up a fair struggle and when it comes to distributing festival programmes invades Sprules, Endwell and Vesta despite their SE4 postcodes. We even, briefly and if we can get enough volunteers, occupy the West Side.

But to continue my original conversation with the Anon. It is the strip taken up by Goldsmiths, from their main building - formerly the Royal Naval School - along westwards encompassing Laurie Grove and St. James - that I see as New Cross. The area to the south of that - which includes St. Donatts (just) is Brockley. It's a matter of access and outlook as much as anything. There is no through route south between the A20 and Jerningham Road (the far side of the railway line) - due to lack of foresight on the part of the orignal estate owners back in the mid 19C, so St. Donnat's looks to the south and Dixon Road, Laurie Grove and St. James northwards.

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