Nat's Bake and Juices raided by police

On Friday, March 23rd, police raided the premises of Nat's Bake and Juices in Brockley Cross, making two arrests. The police say:

Intelligence was received suggesting drug dealing was taking place at the premises, with up to 30 people an hour arriving to buy drugs. 

20 people were present at the location and two arrests were made, one for possession with intent to supply money laundering, another for possession with intent to supply, extracting electricity and allowing his premises to be used for drug dealing. The men arrested have been bailed pending further enquiries. 

Officers from Brockley Safer Neighbourhoods Team assisted in securing the premises and the Brockley Ward Panel chair was present acting as a civilian observer. 

PS Jim Abbott, Licensing said: “These raids on Friday send a clear message to licence owners that you need to comply with the law, anyone using these premises to sell drugs or engage in any criminal activity will be severely dealt with. These premises are a crime generator in the borough.


The site of police vans in Brockley Cross is pretty common and Nat's Bake and Juices has been raided in the past and reopened for business shortly afterwards. However, this time, the premises has remained closed for weeks and, combined with the the building work taking place, means that the area is dramatically more quiet.

Local residents were sent a letter around the time of the raid, to reassure them that the action was not terrorist related. This move and the recent raids in Upper Brockley Road, seem to represent a dramatically tougher approach to policing in Brockley.

Coincidentally, Brockley Cross has been the scene of several serious gang-related violent crimes in recent years.

78 comments:

Ed said...

"Brockley Cross has been the scene of several serious gang-related violent crimes in recent years." I'm guessing you haven't lived in Brockley as long as me then! A man was shot in broad daylight in what is now Duke's cabs at the end of the 90s, & when I moved here in '96 I was told that what is now the Brockley Barge was basically a crack dealing pub. Commuters used to get taxis home to avoid being mugged walking from the station. So let's not get too worried about the area going to rack and ruin eh?

Anonymous said...

First time the place has been mentioned on here. Wonder why?

They were only selling recreationals.

Brockley Nick said...

Ed - "So let's not get too worried about the area going to rack and ruin eh?"

I didn't say anything of the sort. I'd say this move signals the opposite. And 'recent years' is a flexible term.

Anon - it's not the first time it's been mentioned on here. As you can see if you click on the relevant link or search the site. Any time it does get mentioned, many of the resulting comments unfortunately require deletion.

Welcome to 2012 said...

"Wonder why?"

The clue's in the article dumbass.

These insinuations of racism really are pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Nothing racist about saying a particular shop is scummy, now we have proof.

Unless you prefer Brockley as a lawless ghetto people are too scared to walk in.

Brockley Mutha said...

Nat's Bake and Juices - always loved the name, always knew the rep.

Wendy said...

"They were only selling recreationals."

err

"two arrests were made, one for possession with intent to supply money laundering, another for possession with intent to supply, extracting electricity and allowing his premises to be used for drug dealing."

Anonymous said...

I thought they did excellent food.

Does TickleMe get much of a shout on here?

NAT said...

No relation; At least things seemsd to have been kept discrete unlike the UBR shennanigans.

To Ed. A neighbour said to me regarding the incident of the death and finding of a brothel on Loampit Vale 'Something we didn't know about is gone now', wise words I thought.

McNimby said...

Glad that this is being sorted finally..... I complain enough.

Hope the next time they open up is far away from brockley.

Nimby till I die

kolp said...

This kinda had to happen...


Drug rehab centre in, drug dealing out...

Danja said...

Good point Kolp, but all the addicts are from New Cross and Deptford and it would be much more convenient for them if it was there.

Oh sorry, wrong thread.

Brockley Nick said...

@Kolp @Danja

"It might even persuade the police and the Council to take the problem of drug dealing at this location more seriously."

My verdict on the rehab centre proposal http://bit.ly/Irm2nr

Anonymous said...

Brockley Cross and Upper Brockley Rd are two well known drug dealing locations used by local gangs.

They attract dealers and addicts from a wide area.

Sometimes other gangs try to muscle in and there is a big fight.

It has been far worse in the past with murders and robberies.

The Breakspears Arms as the Brockley Barge was formerly known, was indeed 'crack central' and people going home from work had to run the gauntlet. There were lots of muggings and attacks.

At one point Brockley Station was subject to armed robbery on three occasions. For many months it was protected by private security guards.

It has been very bad around here in the past and make no mistake, some of those characters are still around.

They would love a return to the good old days.

I am sure there are also some locals who have an ambivalent attitude towards recreational drugs.

I guess, as long as the crime and menace only happens to others, that is fine for them - selfish.

After all, the Krays and other gangs only hurt their own, and had a strong sense of community value. Didn't they? Remember that idiotic and niaeve attitude? There are still some idiots who think that way.

These drug gangs have to be dealt with by aggressive policing. They use takeaways as front and often it spills onto the streets.

I am of the opinion that this recreational drug business should be legalised and controlled and addiction treat as a public health issue. Thereby removing many of the criminal side effects.

Sadly there are no votes in that.

Anonymous said...

Good. The law applies to everyone.

Anonymous said...

till gang members are housed in the area the problem will return

MJG said...

"I am of the opinion that this recreational drug business should be legalised and controlled and addiction treat as a public health issue. Thereby removing many of the criminal side effects."

Seconded.

Anonymous said...

Controlled how?

You mean as well controlled as alcohol is?

N said...

Anonymous 22.50 - all good points.
One in the eye for the 'real/honest Brockley' halfwits.

Tressilliana said...

@Anon 22.50 - yes, good post.

@Anon 09.06 - alcohol should be better controlled, but other than that, yes.

Tamsin said...

Any addictive drug has its problems but by de-criminalising it you remove at a stroke the worst criminal effects. Legal boozing has all sorts of anti-social results and gives rise to massive health issues, but it is also a huge and easy revenue earner in duty. But, with the example of prohibition, illegal boozing gave rise to the Mafia and profiteering, with no tax benefits to society and massive social cost.

Brockley Nick said...

You know, there are over 150 comments on the question of legalisation over on the recent UBR thread...

Tamsin said...

OK - sorry. But it's a big issue and I was intending to endorse the 22.50 Anon's penultimate paragraph.

Anonymous said...

Legalise it.

Brockley Nick said...

Not specifically aimed at anyone, just pointing out we are going to have two identical threads a few days apart at this rate...

Anonymous said...

Would you be able to buy ecstasy and skag in boots?

It would work on the continent but Brits can't even handle their booze.

Thom said...

@Anon 10.26: But we're not talking about alcohol. Every drug is different, each drug mixed with another provides very different effects...

Perhaps if Brits weren't subtly brainwashed that alcohol is the only positive drug and tobacco is bad but ok if you're contributing money, we'd have a much more sensible society. But illegal drugs are dangerous and wreck families and communities apparently. Drug dealing wrecks families and communities.

You can't legalise drugs anyway; its what people do with them that is currently criminalised.

Anonymous said...

Living in BX for three years now I see the evidence of drug dealing most days and whilst I am broadly pro legalisation, particularly the cannabis you regularly smell on the station approach from BX, I think that while this trade is being left to criminals we should have CCTV in BX to deal with the antisocial behaviour that arises as a result.

Oh and Ed at the top is not Ed CPZ (that's me).

p.s. I know Nick is suitably strict when it comes to unproven (yet quite possibly well founded) allegations which could be libellous so I won't go any further here.

Anonymous said...

On a night out I'd rather have a town full of people on ecstasy than on bad drink. It's a much better drug all round. This is what people don't get.

Anonymous said...

Fear of the unknown for the narrow minded masses (think Mail readers to start with) is what keeps us from a fairer and less prescriptive society.

Brockley Nick said...

When will people open their third eyes and see?!

Brockley Dogging Society said...

I can assure you Nick, that that eye is very much open for business.

Anonymous said...

Fear of the 'unknown'...what rubbish, I've never driven while drunk but no it's not a good thng to do.

Get rid of the slogans...and look at the reality.

If drugs weren't a problem the number of registered addicts would not have risen from from 3000 in the 1960's to over 300,000 in 2010.

Gee and I thought Brockley people were educated and had brains.

Brockley Nick said...

I think you've well and truly hammered that (somewhat meaningless) stat about registered addicts home now Anon. There isn't a web-enabled citizen of Brockley who hasn't now seen it.

Anonymous said...

The difference being there are demonstrable reasons why not to drink and operate heavy machinery. Try again!

Anonymous said...

When are the self styled 'enlightened' legalisers going to get it through that cloud of mush in their brains what the problem is?

It it as a result of the drugs people are then made aware of the extreme anti social behaviour that occurs.

And because the anti-social behaviour tends to be regarded as petty by the police it gets ignored until something serious happens such as a stabbing or shooting.

Meanwhile the local residents may have had to up with nasty anti-social behaviour for years because the criminals want it that way so they can carry out their trade.

Anonymous said...

So Anon 11:29 would drive or be driven in a car by someone zonked out on crack, ecstasy or Heroin because it hasn't be demonstrated it impairs ones reactions.

Welcome to the brave new world of mushy brain logic.

Anonymous said...

@Anon 11:21 Oh dear.

terrencetrentderby said...

one young kiddie on Cake cried all the water out of his body. Just imagine how his mother felt.

Anonymous said...

You dare to use the word logic? Seriously, many on here need to read alot more!

Anonymous said...

No - that isn't what they said at all. Read it again.

Anonymous said...

The police raid in Brockley last Friday makes the front page of the Mercury.

3 shops were raided...6 arrests, substances believed to be Class A and B were seized along with £1,500 in cash.

A further quantity of what is said to be Class A drugs was found in a car parked in Upper Brockley Road.

Anonymous said...

Well Nick your in the publicity game I notice advertisers don't put their message across once.

It's an extremely relevant figure because it shows there is a massive consequence through the expansion of drug taking.

To then increase the numbers by legalising it is dumbness only mad men would support.

The reason you don't want the figure repeated is because it's makes uncomfortable reading.

The same as people don't wish to discuss the increased strength of certain drugs comapred with the 1960's.

Learn from your past mistakes, you have a population that can't handle drink let alone drugs.

And Brockley is supposed to have a high ratio of university educated residents.

Brockley Nick said...

"It's an extremely relevant figure because it shows there is a massive consequence through the expansion of drug taking."

No, out of context, it's meaningless. You don't have to be a sociologist to know that there are all kinds of reasons for that growth that have nothing to do with an actual increase in drug addiction.

eg: improved diagnosis, better access to treatment, redefinition of terms, reduced social stigma about addiction, etc, etc (not to mention population growth).

For example, you don't seriously think there were only 3,000 people with drug problems in the 1960s in the UK do you?!

I'm sure drug use has increased and I'm sure the availability of drugs has increased. Neither of those things is in itself a problem, IMO. The problems are the crime and health issues associated with it.

An increase in the number of registered addicts might indicate that we are actually just getting better at handling the problem. Without more data and context, we just don't know.

Historians still fret about whether declining consumption of beer among the working classes during the industrial revolution represented an improvement or decline in living standards for them (since beer was such a staple and in-part a source of nutrition, not to mention, a pleasure!). In a similar way, more people using other forms of drugs might simply indicate changing social preferences, increased disposable incomes, changing leisure patterns, etc. Drug use, in itself, is a matter of personal preference and should be a private matter. It's all a little more complicated than pointing to one (unsourced?) figure and trying to build an entire argument around it.

I suspect that this all might be a little too nuanced an argument for your tastes though...

Anonymous said...

"Brockley is supposed to have a high ratio of university educated residents"
Yes, you keep saying that, like it means anything. Perhaps if you feel left out you could do an Open University or something?

Anonymous said...

I hate to be rude but this is like arguing with a donkey; they know not the rules nor the facts.

Dailectics - Ha, do me a favour.

Anonymous said...

^^^Anon at 12:35...must be a pain in the neck looking down on others from your ivory tower all day.

Anonymous said...

No really. I learnt all about neck exercises at Unversity.

Anonymous said...

Nick...the figures are in context...trying to prentend they are insignificant or irrelevant is a very old spin doctor's technique.

If the services or support required for users, dependents or addicts is inadequate or underfunded why take action that will increase the numbers requiring support thus diluting the services even further.

You have a culture and attitude problem in this country that has built up around drugs that means decriminalising drugs will make matters worse.

Danja said...

Nick...the figures are in context...trying to prentend they are insignificant or irrelevant is a very old spin doctor's technique.

If the services or support required for users, dependents or addicts is inadequate or underfunded why take action that will increase the numbers requiring support thus diluting the services even further.


The problem is that you have provided no support for the second paragraph. It is just an assertion.

The only evidence you've cited is on the face of it better evidence that criminalising drugs leads to massive increase in the numbers of addicts. That is itself an obviously stupid oversimplication, but at least it is not self-contradictory.

Anonymous said...

@Ninja

Err....if you legalise drugs large corporate companies who see tobacco sales is a dying trade will endevour to increase the comsumption of legal drugs by inviting as many people as possible to get hooked.

It's called marketing usually through advertising agencies.

Meanwhile those under age or wanting stronger or cheaper drugs will continue to use the illegal market.

No doubt some advertiser will promote the thought taking drugs while pregnant is perfectly safe to the unborn child.

The fashion industry already has 'heroin chic', I can see Kate Moss being the face of certain drugs because of her appeal to the 16-35 more money than sense demographic.

DJ said...

Right, you've completely lost it now. That's just gibberish.
Ironically, if you aren't currently on drugs I'd suggest taking them up because it can only help.

Anonymous said...

"No doubt some advertiser will promote the thought taking drugs while pregnant is perfectly safe to the unborn child."
Do you seriously think this? Are you mental?

Anonymous said...

Wot happened to annon 9.06?

Anonymous said...

Typo - 08.06

Anonymous said...

Agree with DJ and er, everyone else!

You (the ignorant (in the literal sense) Anon embarrassing him/herself) seems to have no conception of causation whatsoever.

Opinions and free speech can be dangerous; perhaps a certain level of training should be required before you are let loose on an innocent and undeserving local community like ours.

Personally I've always had a soft spot for a form of census suffrage and this has reminded me why.

Anonymous said...

@Nick...re population growth...

UK 1970 = 55,560,000
UK 2010 = 59,956,000

That's nowhere near the 100 fold increase in the number of registered narcautic addicts.

The UK population would have to be 5,556,000,000 or nearly the entire world population for the stats to be anywhere near your explaination.

No wonder there are insuffiecent school places in Lewisham!

Anonymous said...

@Anon 15:36

I'm fully aware of cause, like most drug abusers it is the others who are in denial.

The bulk of users aren't interested in the mamby pamby liberal attitudes of others, they will exploit any sympathy or 'understanding' for their own benefit.

Fat Freddys Cat said...

So prohibition has led to a 100 fold increase in drug users? Far out man, all those people....

*takes a toke*

Anonymous said...

That was only part of the possible explanation.
What about: "improved diagnosis, better access to treatment, redefinition of terms, reduced social stigma about addiction"?

Also, was the registration voluntary or forced?
Who did the registering?

Also,'Drug addict' is a very vague term - is it addiction to one drug in particular or any of them?
We have more drugs now!

And so on and so on...
As Nick said - the statistic is meaningless without context.

Anonymous said...

Fare is better these days too.

Danja said...

Err....if you legalise drugs large corporate companies who see tobacco sales is a dying trade will endevour to increase the comsumption of legal drugs by inviting as many people as possible to get hooked.

I doubt there are many who advocate full legalisation of eg crack and heroin, so that's a strawman.

Anonymous said...

Brockley Bear Baiting Soc has just been started.

Anonymous said...

@Annon 15:52

Despite care and support having increased over the years the number of addicts have increased a 100 fold.

The point about population was to illustrate how dramatic it would have to had increase to have kept pace with the addiction rate.

The context was there you just couldn't or didn't want to see it.

Anonymous said...

@Ninja

I didn't specify what drug.

It was you who built a strawman to knock down.

As previously stated, in the Netherland's they've considered outlawing the sale of marijuana with more than 15% of THC.

The reason being of the health risk, who pushed it up to those levels and why, responsible manufacturers and retailers?

If as argued drugs aren't a problem, why ban any of them...maybe you have not tried heroin and it's fear of the unknown?

Anonymous said...

As for the cat and his tote, if someone wants to drug themselves to oblivion that's up to them.

In fact it would probably pay the government to ship them to Switzerland with enough dope to speed them on their way and call it assisted suicide.

Freewheelin Franklin said...

Yeah Man, Cuckoo clocks, Borgias.All of that.

Anonymous said...

It was my friends uncle that got shot in the old dukes shop - apparently Brockley can be proud of one of the only mzchine gun murders in the capital - Respect Brockley!

Anonymous said...

"Despite care and support having increased over the years the number of addicts have increased a 100 fold."
So what you're saying is prohibition hasn't worked. We're in agreement.

Anonymous said...

Anon 17:32. Yes, I get your point about population growth - I understand basic maths.
I'm not doubting that drug use has increased but your statistic still needs context (and a source btw).
You haven't answered any of my other questions in this regard - why not?

Anonymous said...

^^^^
Why Not?

Have you not heard of Google or Bling....I'm hoping to broaden your mind without the aid of illegal drugs.


To the other Anon.

We are not in agreement, the sale of tobacco was freely available and thousands if not hundreds of thousands died of smoking related cancers.

Over the years governments have placed more and more restrictions on the sale of tobacco from banning advertising, inisting they carry dire warnings and now must not openly be on display in supermarkets.

If eventually the sale of cigarettes sale is banned do you expect the number of users and the number of addicts to increase, if so why?

Anonymous said...

I'll take that as an 'I don't know' then. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Tobacco use had been steadily decreasing in the UK for decades, despite it being legal and freely available.

But as you keep stating, the number of drug addicts had risen, despite drugs being illegal - why?

Anonymous said...

By the way, I just put your statistic into Google and the only result is this blog so presumably you made it up.

Thomas said...

@Anon 25 April 2012 17:44 - Actually, that policy to ban any THC that's 15%+ was more from a Christian + racist right-wing govt that has now collapsed. They were doing all sorts of scare tactics to try demonise cannabis.

People claim it's got stronger but there's many that say there was plenty around decades ago - original Thai sticks, for example. And hash has been around forever - it is effectively the plant's trichomes packed together so it becomes a solid. These can have really high levels of THC and people have been smoking it worldwide for thousands of years.

Please don't blindly regurgitate newspaper government reports; just because it's in a newspaper or comes from a govt does not make it fact.

And @ Danja
"I doubt there are many who advocate full legalisation of eg crack and heroin, so that's a strawman."

I believe that many would, perhaps not placing them on the level of selling them in the corner shop but controlled by Doctors and people who understand how they work.

no name said...

crime rate has increased in the area of brockley cross as there continues to be drugs sold and you no it, however its no longer in nat's the police are dealing with it but at a snails pace

Anonymous said...

it is now being legally sold @ the cross in the shop with the flashing lights
go in order what you want

nick said...

lol

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