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Vote for the good of all London, not just the privileged, otherwise we could see a repeat of last August's events.
Jenny, then (reluctantly) Ken.
Same as previous poster, Jenny then reluctantly Ken. I'm voting with my bicycle for the most pro cycling candidates as Ken has vowed to take Jenny Jones as his cycling advisor and liason with Transport for London. Hopefully together they will up the share of the transport budget for cyclists. Don't forget to think about who you want on the assembly too.
I'm sure I'll be in the absolute minority in Brockley but Boris and then Brian Paddick. Can't have Ken getting anywhere near a position of authority again and even my 17yo daughter was raising questions as to how the Green party plan to fund the points raised in their manifesto.
As for the above. I will not name the station but I think the clerk was only partially literate!! Taking an age to locate people on the list and clearly having difficulty reading the names!! a poor advert for Lewisham council!!
Boris all the way....
Sorry SLB - my above was Jenny then ken. If Boris had actually done anything useful in the last four years I might have some understanding of your choice.
Jenny first, Ken second. Green on other two papers.
I am not the rioting kind, but the next best thing is the give Cameron and Boris a kick in the ballots.Vote Benita
Jenny then Boris.I know not logical but there's so little to choose between parties nowadays
Ken first, Jenny second.
Jenny then JennyKen has dreadful track record on heritage which is my bag
Siobhan (mainly to show up the ridiculous policy of not giving airtime to plausible independent candidates) then Boris on the anyone-but-Ken principle.
What is this? Boris central?Brockley come on now, we are intelligent, progressive people!
Ken then Jenny - Shame on Brockley folk voting Tory. Boris may have distanced himself from national Gvt for his own election purposes, but of course supports Tax cuts for the rich at the same time as backing the disastrous cuts programme and a clueless economic strategy.Don't forget that Ken was the Mayor who championed the extension of the East London Line, which has made a vast improvement to Brockley transport options, and was the protagonist for the bike hire scheme that has irritantingly been claimed as Boris's. Oh and of course the congestion scheme that was Ken's idea too. Can you name any schemes or initiatives that Boris has brought about in the past 4 years that has made any significant improvement to this city?
Ken, then the Green. Boris is a waste of space, has done nothing for London in his four years, apart from stuff city hall with his overpaid cronies. The Evening Standard's campaign against Ken is dishonest and partisan. Boris didn't even set up the bikes - Ken did.
Ok just over 8 and half hours to vote.
UKIP as a protest, then Boris second. Can't bear thought of another four years of Ken
I don't get why people harp on about the bikes - you don't get people saying "The coalition didn't do the olympics - Labour did in 2005"I will be giving a traditional British vote to Boris then possibly one other, maybe Ken but not a mung candidate.
Jenny then Ken. Ken supports the poor more than Boris. It is vital that the price of transport comes down, which he has promised. This is a major expense for Londoners.
Why are so many apparently voting Ken first, Jenny second? You know it works the other way around right? Votes are only transferred if your first choice is not one of the top two after round one. Second preference votes for Jenny (or anyone other than Boris or Ken) will be ignored entirely!
I find all the Jenny support on here odd - she's going to come through with very little first or second-preference votes. You may as well be backing Carlos.
Anyone who thinks Ken's fares policy is a good idea should read this first:http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/can-ken-livingstone-deliver-a-fare-deal-for-london/9186Boris may not have done anything spectacular, but in my view it's not noticing him that proves he's doing his job well. Ken spends all his time delivering soundbites and not enough time just quietly getting on with his job. Remember, Boris has presided over London during four years of downturn and recession so delivering anything amazing and radical just hasn't been an option. If Ken gets in, the only way he'll deliver his fares policy is to cut investment, so you may get a cheaper ride, but you'll also spend twice as many days on broken down trains or experiencing signal failures...
Intelligent people do not vote Ken, isn't that just so obvious!
Boris is a safer pair of hands. Don`t vote Ken Crocodile tears.
Anything but Ken!
A Boris bot appears to be attacking this thread!
Anon 13:43 - I know Jenny is unlikely to win but I chose my 1st preference based on who I actually want to win (Jenny) and then chose a tactical 2nd preference (Ken) to vote for the candidate more likely to win against Boris.
No, kolp, just people with an opposing view to yours.
Will be voting for Boris, have little trust in Red Ken. Jenny for 2nd spot.
A gentle hint to all those planning to waste their first vote on Jenny Jones. A vote not for Ken as first choice is effectively a vote for Boris. If you haven't worked this out then you really shouldn't even be franchised IMVHO. I was going to vote for Boris, but since the rest of you are making it soooo easy for him to win, I may not even bother going to the polls.
Ken'n'JenVoted in an empty polling station. Wonder what the turnout will be.
I love how the South East Central poll shows the current results as follows:64% Ken Livingstone41% Mung17% Boris Johnson17% Brian Paddick11% Siobhan BenitaBrockley Central has a well-known vegetarian bias!
Putting Jenny Jones first then Ken is only a waste of your vote if BoJo manages to get over 50% of first-preference votes, which is very unlikely.I'll be voting Jen then Ken when I get to the polling station later.Apparently turnout is around 15% at the moment. By the times the polls close turnout is estimated still to be less than 40% according to some estimates.
It's so strange to read people say they're voting Boris and Jenny on the same ballot. Have you actually read about any of the candidates' policies?! Boris and Jenny couldn't be more different! This is not Britain's Got Talent, people! Vote on policies, not personalities.
Doesn't Jenny Jones host an American chat show?People that are anti-cuts are either civil servants or unemployed. Bring on the cuts I say - there is clearly sooo much cash wasted in the country. The funny thing is, if the Government cuts the dire wastage in the civil service, there will actually be more money for the poor, the NHS, the schools etc etc etc.... so the poor should be shouting 'yay for the the cuts'!
Who needs remote controlFrom the Civic Hall
Transport manifestos analysed...http://www.londonreconnections.com/2012/mayoralmanifestos/
not ken again said... No, kolp, just people with an opposing view to yours. 3 May 2012 14:46 Why didn't you post this as your original name earlier this thread. It's quite obvious to who you are.
I just did the Guardian's test and came out 40% mung with 20% for the rest. I feel violated.
What a surprise! 40% of the brain remained unaccounted.
That's 20% for each of the rest, idiot.
I voted for Boris first and Jenny second as I like elements of both of their manifestos (and Boris's track record). Def not a Green though, so just concentrating on the areas of Jenny's policy that aren't concerned with being a vegetarian or smelling of wee.Can anyone give a straight answer as to what the difference between the London Assembly Member and the Constituency Member was? Even the LondonElects site didn't seem to have a clue. Is it just me or does that element of todays vote suffer, PR-wise?
Constituency is to represent a particular bit of London. Assembly is for a London wide representative, as is the mayor. Easy.
Still don't get it. I mean, we don't have UK-wide MPs do we? Well, unless you count ministers I suppose...
Can't believe people want to vote for that silly toff Boris. He is fine as host on Have i Got News for You but not as the Mayor for London. And even if people think he is funny and like his uncombed hair, its policies that change our lives not personalities. But if Londoners vote on personalities then Boris and the Conservatives really will be laughing - at us!
2 hours til polls close. St Peter's polling doing good business. Get out and vote Brockley. well said Aricana
I do not like people who's policies change my life. What if it changes it the way I don't like. Small and incremental changes are way to go...
It's Leadership that makes mayors not token policies. Being able to run a council and host Have I Got News for You aren't mutually exclusive - Boris was always a much better contestant.
Vote for the policies you believe are right and you'll get the changes you want. If you don't want any change vote for Boris.
Kolp, that was my first post on this thread, and this is my second. Your quest for the 'Boris Bot' continues.
'Ken then Jenny - Shame on Brockley folk voting Tory. Boris may have distanced himself from national Gvt for his own election purposes, but of course supports Tax cuts for the rich at the same time as backing the disastrous cuts programme and a clueless economic strategy.Don't forget that Ken was the Mayor who championed the extension of the East London Line, which has made a vast improvement to Brockley transport options, and was the protagonist for the bike hire scheme that has irritantingly been claimed as Boris's. Oh and of course the congestion scheme that was Ken's idea too. Can you name any schemes or initiatives that Boris has brought about in the past 4 years that has made any significant improvement to this city?'Ken (for the reasons summarised by Anon @11.33 above) then Jenny.
Yes and Ken said people that avoided tax were rich bastards who shouldn't be allowed to vote. And when the Labour party chose someone else as a candidate in the first election promised not to stand against him, and did. And Ken liked the Irish nationalist terrorists till 9/11, and then switched to liking extreme Islamic clerics. Ad infinitum. Vote Ken by all means he's the consummate politician, in other words ruthless in his pursuit of power.
Kens union mates keep my X away from his name. Cut away as far as I'm concerned with that lot.
So Brockley folk is a Labour folk! Opsss! And I voted Tory last 3 times!
30 mins to go.I love elections, democracy in action!
Brockley folk are intelligent folk, it's one thing to vote Tory quite another to vote for Boris. A person that refers to black people as picanninies. equating gay marriage to bestialityBeing too busy to come back forthwith from a holiday whilst London was in flames.
Jen then Ken.
Anyone heard rumours of a military coup, apparently the RAF have been buzzing London and the capital's ringed by the Army?According to tweeter units of the army were secretly deployed using portaloos.
kolp...when did the Tory buffooon say that about gay marriage?
In his 2001 book Friends, Voters, Countrymen: Boris writes“If gay marriage was OK – and I was uncertain on the issue – then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men; orindeed three men and a dog.”PinkNews
Couldn't vote for Ken - or for anybody who hopes to get elected by bribing voters with £1,000 rebates from TfL when it is clear that more money not less needs to be invested in the transport infrastructure.The service from Brockley is crowded enough already. Only a lunatic with no financial responsibility at all, desperate to get re-elected at all cost, would dream of such a thing and nobody should have even thought of voting for them.Given the other possible candidates who then jumped on Ken's moronic transport policy (because they hoped voters would also be moronic enough to fall for it) that really only left Boris to vote for.
I do find the "You can't be intelligent if you vote for X" comments and kolp's Boris-bot paranoia hilarious. It really shows an immature attitude to politics and chimes of the militant and petty approach to politics which is why people are so disengaged. I do find some irony to how certain elements brand some fairly mainstream views as untenable while seeing themselves as liberal when they are actually acting in an almost fascist manner. Now, I'm expecting you're waiting for me to say how I voted for Boris and how I love the mop topped rogue. I didn't; I went for Paddick then Ken as I disagree with Tory policies and personally find them wrong. That doesn't mean I dismiss them out of hand, I understand why people have them but just disagree from the initial principles they're derived from.The self-declared moral superiority among a lot of people with left of centre views is exactly what puts floating voters off these parties.Also, as an aside I generally feel most candidates are either doing several things I don't like or have unworkable policies. I can feel a bit dirty after leaving a polling station.
Andy please, don't take things on the internet so literally.If I say sexy people vote Siobhan is that really supposed to be taken literally...? Sometimes people are posting for fun and having a bit of banter online.
A little late now, but just tried the questionnaire on http://www.votematch.org.uk/Again came out with a near split between Boris and Jenny - Boris edges it.
The results as of 11:00 today show that Londoners once again vote away from the national stage and will retain good, honest, straight talking government at a local level. Sorry Monkeyboy - you might want to have one last strike!Boris Johnson (Con) 47%Ken Livingstone (Lab) 37%Jenny Jones (Mungs before People) 4%Siobhan Benita (independent) 4%Brian Paddick (Lib Dems) 4%Lawrence James Webb (Fresh Choice for London aka Ukip) 2%Carlos Cortiglia (BNP) 1%
@andyWell said. I have never voted Tory in my life - but I find the smug Tory bashers infuriating.The notion that this is a government for the rich and not the poor is frankly dumb. High earners are - rightly - getting their child benefit axed. Loopholes allowing the super-rich to avoid tax by donating to charity are being closed (prompting an outcry from Labour who appear to believe it's okay to avoid tax in this way). The income tax threshold is being raised - taking thousands of the lowest paid out of tax completely and higher rate tax is starting at a lower level - that affects people earning £38k plus - well above the national average.Yes the top rate of tax is being lowered - but it was not raising sufficient revenue to justify its existence. Stamp duty on expensive homes has been dramatically increased - 7% on £2m properties. The suggestion that this is a government for the rich is an idea that only an idiot could reach.Now, it is true that benefits are being cut. That's fair play. Housing benefit is being capped at £26k per year. Some people may have to move to cheaper housing - or may have to get a better paid job. I don't think £26k per year is a derisory sum. Even big families can live in decent housing for that sort of money. May be not in central London - but then most of us can't afford to do that either.It is also true that the benefits system is being simplified. Well overdue I say. It is only sensible that work should pay. I respect the government for trying to get to grips with a dependency culture which, in parts of the country, is completely out of control.Times are tough - whether you're rich or poor. This is the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes. I think the government is doing as well as it can under the circumstances. Certainly Labour has no better answers.
New politics is for hooligans. Is being driven by faith rather than facts.In football this may be acceptable, but in politics not. Labour is the party that brought us here, with the help of their close Republican allied. It is the party that bankrupt the state balance sheet despite 10 years of growth led by unregulated monetarism. Guess what, Blair works for JP Morgan, and is planning a comeback...
Results are now 45,39 to BorisReal London is back!
So anyway, how is the London Assembly looking?.... oh.Boris aside, Labour is looking stronger in London than they were last time round. Boris position is weakened, he will need to get many of his decisions ratified through a hostile assembly. Looks like he'll have to stop treating it with disdain (as did Ken actually). Greater scrutiny, will be interesting to see if he survives all that.By the way, never striked in my life but don't let facts get in the way.
This is getting serious there's now a gun boat anchored in the Thames.
Talking of the Thames why is there a stupid sign at Blackfriars claiming it's the only station in Britain that straddles the Thames..like they are going to build a station in Glasgow that straddles the Thames?What this City needs is a Mayor who's on top of these things.
Boris lost my vote after his recent anti-secular comments so I went with Brewster.
What anti-secular comments? I know he took the godsquad posters off the buses, isn't that a good thing?
I think he means the Sarf Circular?
14:49 results:Tory - 44%Welfare - 40%Vegan - 4%
With neither of the big hitters hitting 50%, and it being reasonably close at the top - does this mean there may be a surprise (i.e. Ken) hiding in the results?
Well said Lou Baker. There is nothing wrong in voting Tory at present, they are the only hope we have to get us through these tough times.
Agreed. When times are tough you need a bit of conservative clout; Labour is great when times are good but when the chips are down they just like to prefer handing money out to people so as not to offend them...
Ah those happy Conservative days when the IMF had to bail us out. The truth is all this silly tabloid stereotyping of the various positions is exactly why we get the politicians we deserve. Leaders appealing to the gormless masses.Labour deregulated and was in thrall to the markets as were the neo-con rebublicans in the states. Hardly old school Labour.Bankers are all bastards, Labour are all about giving money to scroungers, the Tories are all tax avoiding toffs. Yep, it's EXACTLY that choice.Jesus wept.
Who did you vote for then - the health food shop woman?
Anyone else think the results are taking too long to come in...in this day and age? NB: This is a non ironic comment.
Keep going, your incisive political commentary is an education.
Its because of peoples obsession with doing things on paper, frankly. It's the electoral elephant in the room.
Interesting observation from the ceo of YouGov on R4. He said Ken was a canine politician and Boris was feline. This is the future he reckons, politicians have to become more feline, in other words they have to coax and stroke the electorate. Whereas ken is old fashioned, he barks orders and bites if you don't obey.
He didn't bark many orders at the unions...
Cats also shit in other peoples gardens and kill for pleasure. The symbolism is perhaps not just cod psychological bullshit. Anyway, we perhaps are all united in happiness by the obliteration of the BNP.
Was the BNP not classed a good honest vote?
That's right. They are evil stupid crooks.
But they are dead now, so that's OK
Source?I always find it interesting how those who consider themselves on the "left" feel perfectly happy about tarring entire sections of the community - something they like to decry themselves otherwise...
Here's one of a thousand possible sources - the famously left-wing Daily Mail: http://bit.ly/9yXYVCAnd I am totally with Andy (above) about left-wing attitudes towards the right wing, but the BNP are just nasty crooks, that's fact. That's what they exist for.
But that's just a link to an opinion piece about the BNP.
I hope that Benita polls more than Paddick.
No, it isn't. Read it again. Or use Google to discover a rich treasure trove of criminal convictions of senior BNP members.
Boris predicted by YouGov to romp home with 52% of the vote.
Www.google.com is your source. Do you deny theHolocaust too, I wonder?
24 hours after the polls closed and they are still counting. Can you imagine how long the count would take if there was full turnout...
O.M.G is it really possible that people are actually voting for the party that has bankrupt the country! If your financial adviser made you lose all your money and your assets would you still go back to him for an advice next time when you have any money!? Time to leave the country...
Boris wins by a whisker!http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2012/may/03/local-elections-2012-live-results
Five things stand out about this election:1) Well done to Siobhan. She did very well. Properly thought out policies would help her next time around.2) The Green vote is staggering when you consider that their manifesto is ill considered, uncosted, drivel.3) BNP support has collapsed. Yay. Bye bye racist bastards.4) UKIP are an irrelevance in multi-cultural London. This is a good thing.5) Lib Dems voters have shown themselves to be fickle twits. For decades you wanted PR - the inevitable result of which is coalition government. You have coalition government - you're in coalition - and you don't like it. You don't like having to make compromises - and you don't like being in bed with the Tories. This is because you only ever envisaged yourselves shacked up with Labour. Maybe you should have just joined the Labour camp all along?Nick Clegg and Vince Cable have done a brilliant job of getting key Liberal Democrat policies made in to law. They will not get everything they wanted - nor should they, they came 3rd in the general election. But they've increased the tax threshold, got properly funded nursery places, they've pushed their environmental policies through. They've done well. They've help make the Tories more moderate. They've made the government think more about what it does.If you look beyond the headlines, and the snide comments on forums like this - this government has some very ambitious, very sensible policies. It is very easy to slag off the Tories or slag off the Lib Dems - especially when some of the policy details are tough. But on policy principles I think the government is largely spot on - and I credit the hard work of the Lib Dems - and the open-mindedness of David Cameron - for this.
Absolutely agree with the above post and with Nick Clegg that it is really sad that dedicated long-term Lib Dem councillors throughout the country have been abandoned by the voters.Going back to an earlier comment - it's not just the BNP who are criminal thugs - a retired teacher I know was hospitalised and nearly blinded in one eye by English Defence League (or whatever they call themselvs) supporters because he was manning the Socialist Party stand in Lewisham Market last weekend.
When there used to be the National Front they openned a shop near where we lived which sold books and stuff.My mum seeing a bookshop innocently went in and asked if they had a certain book, it was a book based on the Nazi abuse of Jewish women in concentration camp.She expressed surprise when they said they didn't have it...oops.
Is the vote for the Greens really that signifcant, when you consider they were about about 1 million votes adrift of Boris & Ken?The shock for the also rans must be the success of Siobhan the independent candidate.Without proper access to television her vote is on a par with the Greens & Lib Dems.If Siobhan had been given equal access to television it's highly likely it would have been her in third place.
"snide comments" says Lou. The king of the foul abusive, sneering, simplistic categorising of whole groups of people. Government policy spot on? We're way behind the targets they set themselves. Not looking great, they policies are not working in the way they hoped. We're in recession and over their term we've essentially stayed still. I'll be interested to see how they start spending on infrastructure and stop cutting "too deep and too fast" without being rumbled as a screaming U turn.To whatever anon above. We're not bankrupt. Boris squeeked it by 3% and have lost two seats on the assembly. Will be an interesting four years.
@Anon 4th May 14.06There's a dismantled railway running from Cricklade to Cirencester, let's remantle it and have a second station straddling the Thames. At that point we could probably just have it running in a culvert under a platform.
Ah well....as for the state of the public finances have a look at the following site:/www.debtbombshell.com/, and if you really think we are not bankrupt or thereabout I would really hate to see the state of your finances.
Boris won - a decent result. The right candidate won but with just enough interest for the other side to prompt a diversity of opinion for the next 4 years.I'm personally glad the "keep people in jobs and cut fares" years are over - we need proper improvement, not protectionism.Whilst he didn't start the bike scheme, I hope that Boris continues to finish it, by putting a bike stand most places within the M25. That's a bigger commitment to green issues than the mungs could ever think up.
"I'm personally glad the "keep people in jobs and cut fares" years are over - we need proper improvement, not protectionism."Couldn't agree more. It was sad to see people at Brockley and New Cross Gare stations trying to buy us off with fare cuts when it is clear that the transport system is massively under-invested. Good riddance, Ken.
I voted Pointless before Profit (except estate agencies and cafes) because I'm pointless and wish to divide the left.
I voted Boris for a good, honest, traditional British vote.
I voted Boris, as Labour deserve to be punished for the state in which they left the country.
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