Pizza Giardiniera

Via Brockley Central's Facebook page (join us please) Chris alerts us to London's "first outdoor supper club", taking place on May 12th. Here's the pitch.

Forza WIN is London's first outdoor supper club. Brought to you by the team behind the Pizza Pilgrims (in Soho) and some of their friends, it takes place in a beautiful garden in the beautiful New Cross. 

Being firm believers in the sharing of knowledge and skills, we thought we'd do things a little differently. Instead of just building the oven ourselves, we've got one of the UK's leading experts involved to come and teach you how to build them too. We'll also throw in a pizza making masterclass and some free beers. What more could you want? 

So for £35 you get: 

- 1 x pizza oven building masterclass 
- 1 x pizza making masterclass 
- free beer 

What more could you want? (probably don't answer that).

At the turn of the year, we predicted that:

"Brockley will get another place to eat. It will be the brainchild of one of the area's many foodie entrepreneurs, perhaps one who's cut their teeth at Brockley Market. It will be closer to #Meateasy than a formal restaurant."

The current slew of pop-up restaurants popping-up in the area is sort of what we had in mind, but we were hoping for something a little more permanent. One day, a pizza pilgrim will buy La Lanterna from its wantaway owners and make it a success. Until then, we'll all have to learn to build our own ovens.

50 comments:

mp said...

it's a good thing. they guys at pizza pilgrim make good pizza. hopefully the people from newcross house will go and learn something...me, as an italian I was born skilled...

Froo said...

Didn't rate the pizza in Italy, despite their arrogance, sorry.

Brockley Nick said...

@Froo - uh oh, that comment has the potential to blow up, big style. Although having been suckered by Big Night in to detouring to Bologna just to eat a very disappointing Bolognese, I have some sympathy with the suggestion that Italians rate their own food a bit too highly.

Best pizza I've ever eaten was just over the border in Slovenia.

kolp said...

Speaking of pizza...
I saw that some company has raised the stakes (depending on your tastes on these matters) and is selling hot dog stuffed crusts.
I want to see how far this is going to go. A full roast inside a crust of a pizza next?

Autobore said...

Dominos/Dominics/Pizza Hut/Pizza Express/Mung/Honest*

*Delete as applicable

Anonymous said...

is this a one off or will it be available again? i'd love to come but can't make the 12th may.

NXG_Resident said...

The pizza in New Cross House is excellent especially the half and half one.

Anonymous said...

I would go for 'nice, verging on good' rather than excellent - dough isn't quite right for me, but I did have a portabella mushroom and spinach cottage pie yesterday that was LOVELY (and i'm not even a veggie)

Anonymous said...

I've had terrible roast beef, pre frozen Yorkshire puddings, dodgy pasties etc in the UK. Italians are as capable of selling poor local cuisine as locals are anywhere else in the world so not exactly conclusive. I've had great pizza and terrible pasta over there but I'd say you were more likely to get better versions of either than say, Birmingham.

Agree that the new cross house ones are great.

FORZAWIN said...

Hey Guys - the oven building and pizza making masterclass is a one off, but after that we will be doing fortnightly supper clubs, so feel free to come and taste the goods!

Anonymous said...

Why go to the trouble when we have Dominic's deals?

max said...

I'm glad to report that Italy is still full of fantastic food and among it there's also some spectacular pizza.
There are of course also poor extablishments that may even prosper on the tourist trail, after all they don't need customer loyalty to do well.
Still best pizza I've eaten is in Italy, in my home town of Trieste at the Pizzeria Barattolo, should you pass by give it a try.

I'm biting said...

@Nick, the proper dish is tagliatelle al ragu' – that's the typical dish in that area and it is never served with spaghetti so I hope you didn't get fed 'spaghetti bolognese' in a tourist trap. Spaghetti bolognese doesn't exist in Italy.
Froo, that's kind of ridiculous - you probably just went to a rubbish pizzeria. The pizza in Italy, if you go to the right places, is delicious.

max said...

They probably saw Froo coming from a mile.

mp said...

I'm sorry , i didn't want to sound mean. Pizza at the NXH is fine. althou is not woodenoven as it's stated on their website...

Anonymous said...

"Spaghetti bolognese doesn't exist in Italy."

Shut up. If that were true, what are the Dolmio family on TV eating then?

mp said...

I'm also glad that pizza culture is blooming in London. in the past few years excellent pizzeria opened. Francomanca and rossopomodoro are just great! pizzapilgrim is a cleaver idea and their pizza is good and cheap!

Anonymous said...

mp - what's that big oven thing they cook the pizzas in then? not being funny, genuinely curious!

mp said...
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Danja said...

Those flames are very yellow. If that was gas, it would be in very partial combustion and would probably have the whole pub shut down to stop anyone getting CO poisoning.


It isn't a trad style - build a wood fire on the oven floor and shove the embers to the outsides - affair, but everything suggests that it is wood-fired. The flue is a woodburning-style insulated flue.


So I bet you get called on that.

Danja said...

As I guess from the deletion you realised for youself, mp.

mp said...

it's actually a woodstone oven...my mistake! I didnt know you can have a woodestone oven heated with gas as they do. Anyway best pizza is made with woodenstone oven heated with actual wood like they have at francomanca

Danja said...

it's actually a woodstone oven...my mistake! I didnt know you can have a woodestone oven heated with gas as they do. Anyway best pizza is made with woodenstone oven heated with actual wood like they have at francomanca

Still wrong, I'll bet.

mp said...

danja- whatever, enjoy your pizza!

Danja said...

I think we probably agree about the quality of the pizza - better than most (many of which set a very low baseline), but not outstanding.

Saying that they are lying about have a wood oven is a bit dodgy on the evidence, I think. But whatever, hey.

Honest pizza lover said...

Until one of the fussier places does chicken wings like Dominics I'm keeping my business with them.

mp said...

@Danja
have a look at this

http://www.woodstone-corp.com/gallery_brick_ticino.htm

this is a Gas-Fired Oven, same as NCH...this matter needs more investigations!!!

The neighbourhood baker said...

Interesting! I built a pizza oven in my backyard 4 years ago here in Brockley. Makes the most sumptuous pizzas and other baking delights.

Froo said...

Love Italy but just think you can get better Pizza in London. Me and my father were both a little disappointed. That's not to say the other food wasn't ok.

Apparently the pizza in New York is the best though.

Ben said...

The best-selling Pizza in Italy is Lancashire made German owned Dr Oetker :D

max said...

Nope, that's the best selling "frozen" pizza. A rather diferent concept.

Ben said...

Shop bought, not really much of a different "concept". Still Pizza

max said...

It's not where you buy it, it's what it is: a frozen pizza, that even by a point of view of the trading laws and regulations is a different thing from a pizza made in a restaurant with fresh ingredients for immediate consumption, and that's the subject here.

Anonymous said...

Interesting how pizza is OK, but fried chicken not OK

Anonymous said...

Fried chicken is ok. 30 shit fried chicken shops selling identical food makes for a rubbish high street. A subtle difference.

Anonymous said...

Fried chicken is fine, ignore the ecomentalists who say otherwise.

max said...

Yes, good fried chicken is great, and eaten once every few months is ok, but 90% of the fried chicken dealers of London are just outlets to push shitty meat fried in shitty oil down the throats of fatty kids that will be diabetic before they're twelve.

Ben said...

Only buy it when drunk and lacking in morals.

Still tasty though.

FrFintonStack said...

@Anonymous "Why go to the trouble when we have Dominic's deals?"

Because their pizza's shit.

@Honest pizza lover

The same.

Anonymous said...

Dominics do excellent fare!

Ben said...

We use Dominics, love their fluffy bases.

Monkeyboy said...

Could this be the evolutionary peak of pizza kind? Foul, disgusting.... Mind you after a few pints

http://www.themagazine.ca/2012/04/29/chicken-nugget-and-cheeseburger-stuffed-pizza-crust/#.T6pS1BB5mSM

DJ said...

I think the 'honest fare' guy just came.

FrFintonStack said...

@Ben

"We use Dominics, love their fluffy bases."

Precisely my point.

Anonymous said...

Italians get so angry about their so so pizza.

Had an amazing pizza in Budapest, nicer than the ones I had in Milan.

max said...

I lived for two years in Milan and I consider the chinese food there to superior to any establishment in Bejing!

Anonymous said...

Similarly Top Chef is the best restaurant in Brockley thus far.

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with deep pan, still a pizza, still honest fare.

I'm biting said...

I'm not Italian. I have had good and bad pizza in Italy, just as i've had good and bad examples of other cuisines. I haven't tried that many pizzerias in London but I've had terrible pizza in France and good but inauthentic pizza in London. I personally like my pizzas really thin and not overloaded with toppings so that they become soggy and unable to hold their own weight; this is something that I have had in abundance in Italy and not elsewhere. If you like deep pan, or weird toppings, or stuffed crusts, then I appreciate that proper Italian pizzas are probably a disappointment to you.

max said...

Absolutely agree, there are pizze of any kind, some objectively divine, some objectively awful and everything in between all over the world and Italy makes no difference. Making pizzas is not rocket science but love for foodstuff (or lack of) generally shows in the plate.
BTW, for some reason the overwhelming majority of pizza-makers of Milan are Egyptians and many are axcellent.

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