Telegraph Hill clean up

BC reader Andy just sent us a large photograph of a penis. Which was nice of him. The dick had been drawn on one of the children's slides in Telegraph Hill lower park and he emailed it to us in order to illustrate his complaint about maintenance in the park. He writes:

I'm proud to live in Brockley and I use the parks everyday with my young family. Telegraph Hill Park is looking pretty grim the last few weeks. The pond is stagnant, vandalism on the playground and polystyrene everywhere. The childs swing is still half missing. The company responsible is Glendale it would be great if people could use this thread to register their unhappiness about the current state of the park.

46 comments:

Moi said...

I can already guess where this thread might go...

Brockley Nick said...

Yes.

Anonymous said...

In my day there were good honest pictures of cocks everywhere. What's wrong with that?

Say NO to Estate Agents' Brockley said...

Pfft. That's Telegraph Hill for you.

pocahontas mcginty said...

we're a few cocks short on Hilly Fields at the moment. So that's where they've gone

tsk

MalB said...

Or they could have turned up the Friends of Telegraph HIll Park Users meeting last Monday. Then they would have heard that the filters in the pump are being repaired, that the parts for the swing are on order from Germany and that there is to be additional resources devoted to stopping antisocial behaviour.

In addition additional works are being looked at the minimise the issues around the skatepark and once the weather improves Glendale will start repainting the railings.

Not all is rosy, I agree, but it's not all bad either.

There is a parks forum on the www.thehill.co.uk website where matters can also be discussed and everybody is more than welcome to the meetings of the Friends.

Anonymous said...

ruddy germans, withholding our swing parts . . . whatever next

Old school yob said...

Was it a cock and two balls with the jizz 70's style? Good honest graffiti, not like that tagging nonsense.

Anonymous said...

Yesterday there was a huge one on the bus shelter facing Hilly Fields. This morning its gone.

Anonymous said...

Well they do tend to shrivel when exposed to the cold.

Anonymous said...

There just isn't the budget for good sex ed anymore so schools have to settle for this.

Anonymous said...

We had a spate of painted cocks on pavements in Crofton Park a few weeks ago.

But it seems like it washes off after a few weeks. The kids can't even be arsed to do their grafitti properly these days.

Lou Baker said...

Perhaps the artist of this giant penis was just doing a self-portrait?

Anyhow, it is hardly a surprise the park has gone down hill - pardon the pun - following its Soviet transformation.

Some of us said there would be problems - but we were ridiculed, shouted down and generally abused.

Yet it turns out we were right all along.

Anonymous said...

The odd cock does not a problem make Lou- you're still here and we're still OK!

16" East said...

I read this as ' Andy has sent us a photo of his penis'. My tea almost went all over the floor. Andy, we just dont want to see it. Thank goodness its not your own one after all. Must read more closely.....

Anonymous said...

and 20" North I suppose..

Vesta Curry said...

You do get the feeling that most of the "cock" jokesters don't actually use the park.

It is good to know that positive action is being considered early on. I really came around to the skatepark ... and overall I still think that it's been good - broadened and diversified the users of the park. But the results are complex in parts and not all without problems. It's unfortunate that this period of readjustment has coincided with such wet and awful weather, leading to a degradation of the turf in and around the skatepark and the playground - adding to the air of neglect.

It is certainly true that the older kids now coming to the park are slightly moving in on the play structures really designed for the younger kids. Also I have noticed many more bikes (and dogs!) habitually in the Lower Park. Also, ironically, I have seen more kids on the streets on boards and quad skates than ever before (see founding arguments for the skatepark) ... again, it is pure chance that opening of skate park has coincided with boom in quad-skate use.

All this would be fine and dandy if Glendale had the support and funding to manage and deter the excessive misuse of the park area.

Anyway - I'm pleased it sounds like people are aware of some of the potential problems and hopefully things will move in the right direction.

But, just to reiterate, I think the skatepark is potentially a really positive addition to the park as a whole.

Robert Sheppard said...

Why don't you just contact darren.budden@glendale-services.co.uk (the boss there) and get him to sort it out. I've always found them more than happy to act quickly - in Ladywell Fields and Cornmill Gardens - when issues are brought to their attention.

Emmajem said...

Just on the subject of this quad skates trend, has anyone noticed the kids hanging out on Harefield Rd who have started hitching rides behind the back of the 484 bus? The drivers can't see them....so please if you see them do this try to alert the driver. Yes i may sound like a killjoy but i'm pretty sure it won't be long before there's a nasty accident.

Anonymous said...

I'm with you Vesta Curry. I've also been really impressed by how the skatepark has increased and diversified the park's use, but do think there are some issues that need to be dealt with- not just by Glendale, but SPAG and dare I say it the rest of us.

MalB said...

There are issues to be dealt with and they were aired at the Friends meeting. Not least that some people now felt that they could no longer use the park - so whilst the user group has diversified for some it has reduced for others and we need to look at how the competing demands can be met in such a small park.

As for anti-social behaviour in the park, whilst the youth outreach team, the PSOs, the police and the park warden will all do their bit, it is also up to us as residents and parents to make it clear (in non-confrontational ways) that anti-social behaviour is not to be tolerated.

JP said...

I saw two young lads on skates hanging onto a bus by the new skate park in deptford at the bottom of friendly street on wednesday evening

scary stuff

Anonymous said...

Yes Lou. Make the park in interesting to anyone under 30 and you won't have to deal with the issues that surround pesky kids. Trouble is, teenagers are part of the community with all their feisty issues. You'll have teenagers soon, they WILL draw cocks and be noisy on busses. What are you going to do? Put them up for adoption until they are easier to handle?

fidgad said...

Skaters hanging on to a bus eh? - could be candidates for the Darwin awards.......... we can only hope.

Lou Baker said...

@anon

I've got no problem with kids being noisy. That's what kids do.

However, most kids aren't scuzzy enough to draw a penis on play equipment. We need to crackdown on those who do - and their parents.

As well as a decent majority, skateboarding attracts a scuzzy minority - a few who will smoke dope in front of toddlers and draw all over everything. It has ever been thus.

SPAG were told there would be a problem and were asked how they would deal with it. Their response was to shout down and abuse the messengers. As did many others on here - including our illustrious leader.

Now there is a problem. SPAG's zero tolerance policy has been demonstrated to be hot air and they've come up with no solutions. It's left to the rest of the community to clear up the mess they've created.

Those of us who suggested these matters should have been considered BEFORE the skatepark was built get no satisfaction from saying we told you so. But, we told you so.

The slow, steady, decline of our lovely park has begun. Thank you SPAG. I hope you're proud of what you've done.

Anonymous said...

What is it with teenagers moving in on children's playareas in the daytime? Do they think it's cool to intimidate the toddlers? I don't get it...

Sue said...

@EmmaJem Yes, I've seen the same thing in Ladywell on Vicar's Hill. It's an accident waiting to happen. Perhaps someone from the SNT needs to go along to the Friday night skating session at Ladywell Day Centre and point out the idiocy of hanging on to the back of buses. Then again, it may just encourage some . . .

Anonymous said...

Give over Lou - you fucking love it. Gives you a chance to go all Colonel Blimp again (and again).

DJ said...

I worry about Lou - he's constantly apoplectic about some relatively minor incident. It can't be good for his heart.
Calm down dear, it's a bit of graffiti - contact Glendale and they'll clean it off.

Lou Baker said...

@dj

I know they'll clean it off.

But they shouldn't have to.

As a society we waste so much money cleaning up after louts.

Graffiti, litter, dog mess.

This is time and money, literally, thrown away.

In a time where money is short this is cash we can ill afford.

And, in any case, it makes the area just a little bit worse.

Annoyed said...

I think Lou's comments are fair enough. We were told there wouldn't be a problem, and that we were being middle-class nimbys. Turns out there IS a problem, and it's not SPAG that's going to clear it up, it's Glendale (using our council tax money, presumably, that could have been spent on other things), who have other, better things to do with their time.

Anti miserablist said...

It's not SPAG that did it, it was vandles. Actually Glendale ARE paid to maintain and that includes vandalism. If you have teenagers using a park you will have issues, trouble is for the miserablists is that public parks are not for the exclusive use of occasional picnickers. Difficult isn't it? Are you saying that there should be no facilities for teenagers? Because thats what your attitude implies. Vandals are asocial idiots, they are not a new phenomena and not an invention of skateboarders. The world is not at an end. We are getting a fantastic cafe in hilly fields, I confidently predict litter, noise and fag ends. Take the positive, weigh it against the negative and it's good that parks are open to a range of people. It's a PUBLIC park.

Anonymous said...

Vandles? Is that the things on the doors of a transit?

Lou Baker said...

@anon

It's rubbish to say that if you have teenagers you have problems. Most teenagers are perfectly well behaved.

And why should Glendale - or council tax payers - clear up
SPAG's mess? Make the skateboarders pay.

Anonymous said...

Spot on, Lou. Most teenagers are well behaved. The skate park as we said attracts a disproportion amount of the worst behaved and SPAG have renegaded on their promises and leaving Glendale and the ratepayers to deal with their mess.

The park is a downwards slope.

Anonymous said...

I've also seen children on skates hanging off the back of the 484 both by hilly fields and on vesta road. Can't have been older than 13.

As far as the park goes, I'm also worried by the number of bikes and rollerskaters on the paths and the lack of anybody in authority to enforce the park's rules. They certainly don't take much notice of the park keeper, who seems to have decided to avoid confronting the issue.

The park remains a wonderful place and fortunately the impact of the skatepark visually is minimal; I do hope that more can be done to ensure the safety of other users as I've witnessed some near misses.

NAT said...

I don't live in Telegraph Hill and so, am not impacted in any way by the skatepark, and in many ways find Lou's objections quite sensible, especially concerning the 'stealing' of the vote in its favour, if this is what happened, but it's important to appreciate for the Anons lining up that here is someone who advocated the shooting dead of rioters in the disturbances of last year and that for that reason if you have reservations about what is going on then perhaps Lou's not really the way forward.

Lou Baker said...

@ NAT

I'm not personally impacted by the skatepark either. But if it makes the park worse it makes the area worse.

I am also not anti-skatepark. I had specific concerns about this specific location - and I've been proven right. As much as that may surprise everyone.

As for the rioters I'm pretty sure I never said shoot them. Cut their hands off maybe. Perhaps even castrate them to stop their feral inbreeding. Shoot? I don't think so. Or maybe I've mellowed.

NAT said...

Mellowed.. yes, that must be it.

'Its time to bring in the army. Forget the rubber bullets, lets go straight to real ones' 9/8/11

Matt-Z said...

Those with long memories might recall kids/teenagers/students on skateboards or roller skates hanging off the back of the 36 when it was a Routemaster. Dangerous and stupid obviously but looked pretty cool swinging round the one way systems in New Cross. I think the game was to stay on for as long as possible until the conductor spotted you. So, not a new phenomenon.

NAT said...

Great fun Matt, yes, but the routemaster had that relatively safe open bar at one corner as a clingy on to thing, and a harassed and irascible conductor to tell you where to get off.

I can't believe I heard someone (so actually) say last week, 'back before the bendy busses', meant in fun, but still...

Lou Baker said...

It's social Darwinism in action.

If you are stupid enough to cling on to the back of a bus on a skateboard, then no one else is responsible for the consequences.

The world is over populated anyway.

Cod Psychologist said...

Lou was never young, ever irresponsible. Explains his embittered outlook, possibly revealing his regret at a young life not lived.

Lou Baker said...

I was young - and carefree.

I'm now older - and still fairly carefree.

Being irresponsible means staying out late, drinking a bit too much, having two girlfriends at the same time. Etc.

You confuse irresponsibility with downright stupidity - which is what grabbing on to a bus while skateboarding clearly is.

DJ said...

@Lou. Yes, it's not nice but I'm pretty sure there has been graffiti in New Cross before - skatepark or no skatepark. Perhaps contact SPAG and ask them to clean it up if you are so concerned about the council's coffers? Or even do it yourself - Big Society and all that...

Anonymous said...

MalB.

I'm sorry not to have made it to the last Friends meeting and will come next time.

Agree that we all need to do our bit. I've tried to gently challenge bike riders on a few occassions, but have to admit that I was put off by not receiving any support from the park keeper (who was nearby), or by any bystanders. It feels like people are just to frightened/ passive/ private (I don't know what) to intervene. Has there been any discussion about how we can build people's confidence in challenging anti-social behaviour? I wonder if there would be some benefit in a few weekend days of co-ordinated action by concerned park users? I'd certainly feel happier to have another go at challenging bike use/ dogs/ other anti-social behaviour if I knew I'd get back up!

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