Brockley Bike Station

Work to install a new secure shelter for 20 bikes at Brockley Station is due to start in the next 2-3 weeks. Confirmation comes via Assembly Member Darren Johnson, who pressed the issue with TfL.

Darren Johnson AM sent the following question to Transport for London:

Are there plans to replace cycle parking facilities at Brockley Overground station, following the removal of the previous parking shelter to accommodate the new ticket barriers?

Response from Transport for London:

As discussed, I can confirm that TfL has awarded the contract for the installation of a new cycle park at Brockley station, which will accommodate up to 20 bikes. We should be able to confirm in the next few days whether work can start next month.

36 comments:

question20 said...

20 is better than nought but is 20 enough?

HeckMcBuff said...

It's good news but agree that space for just 20 bikes isn't enough.

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Anonymous said...

Excellent...there should also be more bike lock up places in Brockley in general.

Maybe some by the post office sorting building would be a good idea. There's enough room for at least 5 there.

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't cyclists fund any constctiob of bicycle parking?
Then there might be more of it. I don't see Lewisham funding free car parks for drivers who take the train.

Brockley Nick said...

"Shouldn't cyclists fund any constctiob of bicycle parking?"

They do, it's called taxation.

"I don't see Lewisham funding free car parks for drivers who take the train."

Look harder. The side of nearly every road in the borough is given over to cars. The cost of maintaining roads damaged by cars is hundreds of times the cost of providing for bikes.

And we're trying to encourage cycling, because it is good for the general health of the population, reduces air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions and relieves congestion on roads and crowding on public transport.

I'm sure you understand.

Anonymous said...

What I want to know is, what is the constctiob of the cable car across the river?

Anonymous said...

Bike users do not pay any road fund licence fee. They do not fund anything. They are (pun intended) freewheeling on others. Car users pay additional VAT on the car purchase, license fees and fuel duty.

Anonymous said...

Where are they going to be placed? I hope they do not intend to use more green areas.

SD said...

A Troll or a brainless moron?

Wheelie said...

@anon 23.29

It's not road tax it's vehicle excuse duty, a tax on the type of vehicle you have. Most polluting pay the most, less polluting pay less, bikes pay none. You pay VAT on bikes too. There's no fuel duty on a bike because the only fuel required is food which is VAT free. It's so simple even an idiot could (hopefully) understand.

Basic information for the hard of thinking said...

" Car users pay additional VAT on the car purchase, license fees and fuel duty."

So don't buy a car or fuel? All of the taxes you describe don't pay for roads or traffic police or other costs associated in their entirety. We all contribute. I don't have kids, I pay tax toward other peoples kids education. Society man, it's loverly.

Milky said...

@ SD I'm beginning to think Troll and brainless moron. Jesus wept.

Headhunter said...

I'm completely happy for cyclists to pay VED (road tax) as non poilluting modes of transport, the cost to cyclists would be zero anyway, just as it's zero for electric cars like G Whizz and VW Blue Motion... If drivers of electric cars get away without paying "road tax" then why should cyclists?

"Road tax" doesn't pay for the roads anyway, roads are paid for by local councils through council tax which cyclists pay. Just as "tobacco tax" doesn't pay for lung cancer research and units in hospital and smokers do not have priority to see lung surgeons and just as "fat food tax" doesn't pay medical expenses for obese people

Anonymous said...

It is a sad reflection on the area that this blog cannot attract a troll with a decent standard of articulation and imagination.

Same tired old cliches.

Anonymous said...

The anti cycling arguments are so boring and ill-informed.

More bike parking is a great proposal considering how many bikes are often attached to the railing next to the station.

Anonymous said...

But eventually the Boris bikes will land in Brockley. Where will they go?

Pedestrianise Coulgate St!

motorist said...

The issue about cyclists getting 'a free ride' won't go away.

Cyclists demand so much, road space, pavement space, and give nothing bar except sanctimonious 'we're doing you a favour, by not being a car' back.

Wibble said...

What about pedestrians? They're always on the road or the pavement, getting in the way of me and my penis extension... I mean car. They pay nothing - not even VAT on being born!
And dogs. Freeloading bastards.
I just hate everyone else really.

Mb said...

Cyclist demand "so much" really? Just how much space and inconvenience do bikes cause? It's a bit of a paradox, the biggest issue to getting around London by car is other cars. If you can encourage more short hops by bike it will help those who have a need to use a metal box that can do 100mph and carry four people. (I'm a car owner and you would never get me on a bike before I'm accused of being a self important biker)

And as has been explained a million times, we all pay for roads. Not just VED payers, that point is irrelevant.

headhunter said...

of course cyclists do motorists a favour! do you seriously think that if every person who currently cycles around London jumped in their car instead that the traffic would actually moved faster?! It would just mean more Traffic jams. So yes, cyclists do everyone on the roads a favour, and that's not even beginning yo discuss the other benefits for example less damage to road surfaces, health benefits and therefore lower cost to the nhs and reduction in pollution

Anonymous said...

"More bike parking is a great proposal considering how many bikes are often attached to the railing next to the station."

Still don't see why cyclists should not pay for parking in the same way as car users have to pay for station car-parks, even users of electric cars.

Bicycles attached to station railings should be clamped in any case. The fees for that might then pay for proper bicycle parks.

D said...

Cycles take up a hell of a lot less room.
Plus, Brockley doesn't have a station car park and parking in the surrounding streets is free.
Next!

Anonymous said...

@Anon 14.01

- Are you suggesting that children should be expected to pay to lock their bikes up at sanctioned bike parking? A commuter whose reason for cycling to the station may be to save the hassle of parking should now be expected to fork out everyday?

- Anyone who chooses not to lock up there is liable to have their bike clamped and impounded as a consequence? What if someone locks their bike up on a lamp post? What if the bike parking is full? Clamped?

- Who will enforce the charge? Will there be full-time security to deter thieves? How much will this cost to set-up and run? The cost of maintaining this bike parking will be nominal compared to that of a 20 space car park, so how would the charge reflect this?

- "The fees for that might then pay for proper bicycle parks." Do you suggest that parking fines should be used to subsidise free car parks?

Can't you see the logic that this bike parking has been sanctioned as a direct result of there evidently not being enough cycle parking? The bikes attached to the railings are clear evidence of this.

Think of the amount of road space already given over to free car parking, where are the similar facilities for those who choose to cycle?

Brockley CPZ said...

In fact there should be no free car parking around the station. Coulgate should be for pedestrians and rest with CPZ

Anonymous said...

Slightly un-related. But I walked past brockley overground Saturday, the bank looked really great planting wise. So credit where credit's due, Congratulations to all those who planted it up a year or two ago. Your efforts have paid off dividends and appreciated by many even if we don;t volunteer to help plant up.

headhunter said...

Yes that planting has come on really well... Well done to all....

Anonymous said...

"Are you suggesting that children should be expected to pay to lock their bikes up at sanctioned bike parking?"

Yes. If they pay for their tickets on the trains, they should pay for parking their bikes at the stations. If the get free train travel, then they should get free parking.

"A commuter whose reason for cycling to the station may be to save the hassle of parking should now be expected to fork out everyday?"

Yes. Why not? If I get some services which save me the hassle of doing something else then I would expect to pay for those services.

"Anyone who chooses not to lock up there is liable to have their bike clamped and impounded as a consequence?"

Anybody who chooses to chain their car to a railing would probably have it clamped, if not towed away. I would be extremely annoyed if somebody locked their bicycle to the railings outside my house why should public property be treated any differently?

"What if someone locks their bike up on a lamp post?"

They should be fined.

"What if the bike parking is full? Clamped?"

What if a car-park is full? You either find another car-park or drive elsewhere. Or catch the bus.
If the cyclists paid sufficient amounts for the privelege of parking I have no doubt sufficient bicycle parking would be made available. I just don't see why I should pay for it. Same goes for car-parks: build them by all means, but charge for them.

Welcome to 2012 said...

By your logic, drivers shouldn't be entitled to any free parking on the roads around Brockley. All metered parking bays.

Kim said...

@anon 23.03

You're a maniac, no?

Surely you're a wind up at least?

Pete said...

He's just winding you up. Either that or he thinks that nothing should be funded by the public purse... even if it is in the best interests of society.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why they've only put two miserable racks outside the pedestrianised bit by Tickle Me takeaway.

Supermarkets are even worse. "Thank you for coming by car!" the signs should say. Has anyone read about the new Waitrose in Greenwich? Space for 150 cars!

We're clueless in this country, we really are.

headhunter said...

Anon 23.03 when all the free car parking on PUBLIC roads in brockley is removed and car drivers forced to pay then there might possibly be an argument for charging cyclist but currently car drivers pay nothing to litter the streets with their cars so why should cyclists pay to park? As a cyclist I've paid my tax for my portion of the road occupied by your car so I could just as easily demand that you pay to park

Brockley Nick said...

When someone chooses to define themselves as a Motorist (as opposed to someone who happens to own a car), it bodes ill for having a sensible conversation about society. Many people who ride bikes also own cars - they are not separate species. Some car owners even like to walk from place to place too. Car owners who think cyclists are getting such a swell deal can get themselves a bike and take advantage of the situation.

According to the CTC (based on questions in Parliament):

Cyclists tend to be motorists as well and are generally wealthier than non-cyclists - so they pay
more tax. 83% of the cyclists participating in the National Travel Survey in 2008 and 2009 were
resident in a household with access to a car or van.

Motorist said...

Great news that someone else who takes road using seriously is calling for helmets for Cyclists and laws to govern the chaos by the legions of helmetless cyclists on the roads Thank you Wiggo.

The roads are dangerous and pandering to cyclists 'sense of freedom' does none of us much good.

Now we need Critical Mass on board.

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