Coulgate Street block approved

The Council has approved plans for a new apartment block, with a street-level office space, to be built at 16 Coulgate Street.

The site is the former home of Speedicars, which was demolished and recently served as an access route for the Brockley Station platform extension project. The application is for:

The construction of a part single/part four/part five storey building at 16 Coulgate Street SE4, incorporating balconies and roof terrace, comprising a mini cab office/retail/commercial unit (Use Classes A1/A2), 4 one bedroom, 3 two bedroom and 2 three bedroom, self-contained flats, together with the provision of a bicycle store.

The supporting documents include a letter of intent from Speedicars, indicating that they plan to return to that site, occupying the office once it is built. The designs are a little blah, but it makes sense to fill this site in.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Christ.

Anonymous said...

Seems pretty harmless to me. How big is the current Speedicars office, as that is effectively the new retail premises coming onto the market? Is that suited to anything other than a cab office?

Brockley Nick said...

The shop's pretty tiny but, particularly if you part-pedestrianise that part of the road, as seems likely to happen, then you could have an inside-outside shop, which displays some of its wares on the pavement. Might work for a florist...

Anonymous said...

Cooper's Bakehouse ‏@coopersbake
Wanted: a micro-unit / small shop in SE4 - what's out there at the moment?

Anonymous said...

I should clarify:

The design looks like a dull, uninspired, carbon copy of all other mundane residential developments popping up around the place. In my opinion, a lifeless design like this will have a negative impact on the character of the surrounding area. I have nothing against the prospect of the space being used, just... couldn't we do (significantly) better?

I for one am tentatively excited about the new flats on Geoffrey Rd and the 180 Brockley Rd developments, since there seems to be a genuine attempt to engage with and invigorate the area, and the architecture is at least trying to do something creative and uplifting. But this...

Oh well.

Anonymous said...

Hope they get to use the signage they want to use this time, and that no busybodies decide to get involved again!

Fattyfattybumbum said...

If they know that Speedicars is going to occupy the retail unit why put 'Station cafe' on the graphic?

pip said...

The other site is a maximum of four storeys - this one is maximum 5 storeys, which I think is pushing it.

Anonymous said...

Well I hope is not given to speedycars. They are the only obstacle to Cougate street being pedestrinised

Anonymous said...

btw ,hugky and too tall. Each building goes a floor higher. They are going to ask for 6 floors next

Anonymous said...

We don't want Coulgate St pedestrianised

Brockley Nick said...

On one thread, we have people demanding that we build fewer flats.

On another thread, we have people complaining that rents are rising too quickly in Brockley.

These two issues are related.

Another Anonymous said...

Yes we do.

Anonymous said...

New flats are fine. Just, not ugly ones...

Surely you'd agree that this design is pretty underwhelming given the level of care and thought given to some of the other developments, Nick?

Brockley Nick said...

Totally agree with that. I say in the article that I think the design is disappointing.

But the comment above says that the block is too tall. Just pointing out that if you reduce height, you reduce the number of flats, if you reduce the number of flats here (and in pretty much every other proposal, where height is criticised) then you reduce the available housing stock in Brockley. If you reduce the supply, you increase the price of living in Brockley (aka the rent).

Whenever I point out that there is a rising population and we have to meet demand, I'm told that there are millions of flats going up in the area, so we don't need anymore.

The rising rents suggest otherwise.

Anonymous said...

I'm in Japan add I write this. Its amazing what they do out here with a tiny space paired with exceptional design. I wish we could imitate them.

bleedin' obvious said...

"if you reduce the number of flats here (and in pretty much every other proposal, where height is criticised) then you reduce the available housing stock in Brockley. If you reduce the supply, you increase the price of living in Brockley".

Er, if this development doesn't happen, the housing stock isn't reduced, it stays the same.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, yes, but we are talking about two possible future scenarios.

1) A block of flats with X stories
2) A block of flats with X-1 stories

All other things being equal, if you choose scenario 2, you will have fewer flats than you would otherwise. You have reduced the future number of flats, relative to the other option.

Therefore, with demand rising, prices will go up more than they would in scenario 1.

As you say. Bleedin obvious.

Tim said...

But surely you understand the point that is being made?

Anonymous said...

Therefore we need a 15 story block obviously!

kolp said...

Each new development around the station makes the little coulgate street cottages look anarchronistic. It's a pity the cottages don't serve to inspire the design of buildings that follow into the area as would make for a harmonious looking streetscape. As such, each new building jars against whats there.

Anonymous said...

How old are the cottages? Are they oldest houses in Brockley?

Revelonanon said...

This one was approved back in 2010.

It looks like the developer was trying to delay signing the S.106 legal agreement but was forced to do so in March to avoid paying Boris's Crossrail levy.

Expect less social housing and payments for street improvements in Brockley from now on as all the spare money will be funneled to the Heathrow-Canary Wharf banker express.

Robert said...

Yes - this was approved some time ago. The developer, is the owner of Pavillion Estates. And, as Revelonanon above points out, said developer has been holding off signing the agreement.

I think the design is very poor. I hope it isn't built out like this.

My own preference for this site would have been to combine it with a mixed-use development in front of the station that would have included a new station entrance building/ticket office and small shops. I hope that this application doesn't prevent such a thing occuring in the future.

Robert said...

The cottages were built at around the time of the Croydon Canal, which was opened in 1837.

It would certainly make them contenders for some of the oldest buildings in Brockley. Stone House is older (1773), so is the House next to Welsh Presbyterian Church on Lewisham Way (1823). Kylefield House (formerly Brunswick House) at the top of Tanners Hill is also 18th Century. Not sure how old the railway cottage at Brockley Cross is.

Anonymous said...

Another poorly designed cheap rendered flat block on a prominent site.

What a waste. Brockley deserves better. We should demand better. Developers get good money for these places, surely the least we can expect is something with a bit of quality to it.

Moi said...

Pavilion Estate Agents? Oh dear. That does not inspire me with confidence. As an estate agent they are happy to cut corners (that's putting it kindly) so I don't suppose they're planning a super high-quality development.

Optimist said...

So...

I'm a novice at this - anything we can do to influence the design at this stage? Given that it's been approved is it totally out of our hands?

Anonymous said...

Thanks Robert, so that makes the cottages the oldest buildings in Brockley, given the others are north of Lewisham Way and strictly speaking in Deptford.

Anonymous said...

Rubbish design. Let's hope the developer can't get funding to build it out. Maybe a positive side of the credit crunch?

Anonymous said...

What's worse though is when design gets so diluted down because of continual complaints that the plans clash with existing usually Victorian housing stock. There are some terribly naff Victorian inspired terrace houses in Nunhead that got built because residents simply wanted to mimic the existing terraces. Surely some more exciting modern design could live side by side the Victorian cottages?

Optimist said...

Sure, I'd be all up for a more exciting modern design -assuming it was carefully thought out, used quality materials, had a bit of interest and was tailored to the environment. I think there have been two good examples of this proposed in Brockley over the last 6 months, but this ain't one of them...

Anonymous said...

Hang on, what makes this design particularly bad? I can't see it myself... especially when compared to the DSPD facility next door.

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