Honor Oak Sainsbury's approved

A planning application to allow Sainsbury's to open a "Local" format branch in Honor Oak has been approved.

The development will replace three individual units on the Honor Oak Park parade.

Minutes from the relevant Council meeting can be found here. Thanks to the good people of the Honor Oak forum for keeping us posted.

[Usual full disclosure: Brockley Nick works for a PR agency that does some (unrelated) work for Sainsbury's]

45 comments:

Tim said...

Great news! The "waitrose in Brockley" dream is alive!

Brockley Jon said...

Overall I think this will be good for the parade - it should bring more people to the area and so new business to the parade. But I do feel for the local shopkeepers. Are you for or against? I've created a poll on the Honor Oak forum to get people's opinions.

Anonymous said...

More honest fare - excellent news.

Anonymous said...

We need something decent in Brockley - 2 tiny little stores are a bit rubbish ... hope we get a sains up this end...

Pongmaster said...

Forgive my ignorance. Is this different from Honor Oak Park? I'm new here.

Tim said...

I believe Honor Oak Park is seen as part of Beockley but many, including me, refer to the area around Brockley Station as Brockley. BTW, there is an article on the Telegraph website about revival of high street featuring a random 1983 photo of a Brockley Grocer. Under News. "old-fashioned high street makes a comeback"

Anonymous said...

If you mean is Honor Oak different from Honor Oak Park, then yes. Honor Oak refers to the area to the west of the train track towards one tree hill. Honor Oak Park is the area to the east of the track and includes the high street. The sainsbury's will be in Honor Oak Park where the old indo-bangla restaurant used to be...

Anonymous said...

Lady Progress comes to Honor Oak Park, that can only mean a greater range of fare.

Brockley Jon said...

It's quite simple. Honor Oak is an area in-between Brockley & Forest Hill, named after the Oak of Honor on One Tree Hill. Honor Oak Park is the road that the station is on, with all the shops on it.

kolp said...

This feels like a move forward. Something needed in the right location. Hopefully the deliveries will be timed not too cause too much disruption to the traffic that uses the road.

Anonymous said...

I only hope this can hasten the advancement of Tesco to Brockley.

Anonymous said...

Where would a Tesco / Sains actually go in Brockley?

Pongmaster redux said...

Thank you Anonymous.

Who thought anyone would ever have cause to say that here?

Matt-Z said...

The convenience stores in Honor Oak Park are pretty poor, and haven't risen to the game, they've only got themselves to blame for leaving the gap in the market for a big chain to fill.

It's possible for small businesses to serve the market well. Budgens at Crofton Park is a successful, independent (albeit franchised) store, reaping the rewards of the hard work they've put in to sell decent products that people want in a welcoming environment.

AliAliAfro said...

On balance I think I'm happy that this particular Sainsburys is coming

There are a few off licence/convenience stores on that stretch that wont be too happy and of course the smallish supermarkets down the bottom of the hill...

But as a Crofton park resident I cant say I ever went to any of these...

This wont be a massive Sainsburys and won't really compete with the deli's or organic veg shops - its the overpriced little convenience stores it will kill which I never really used.

And I don't think this precedes a takevoer of HOP, CP or Brockley high streets by corporate branding - there just isnt the daytime footfall which consists mainly of mums, unemployed people and a few local workers and elderly

As such its take-aways and betting shops that have traditionally thrived and restaurants, bars and delis doing better as the young professional s move in...

Shame for the owners of those little convenience stores and off licences but then, as Kurtis Blow once said "these are the breaks"

Anonymous said...

It's surprising so many terrible corner shops can survive in the area. Of course there are a few good ones, the Jay fanclub is testament to that.

Anonymous said...

i like Jays but why does everyone think its independent when they are of the musgrave group http://www.musgravegroup.com/en/our_brands.php

Anonymous said...

What do you class as a "terrible" corner shop?

Ben H said...

Mira's?

Anonymous said...

Yes, can we invite Waitrose to Brokley just to add some diversity to the Supermarket landscape?

kolp said...

To be honest it feels like Waitrose is already here, given the amount of Ocado vans that trundle up the road most days (Yes I know that Ocado is no longer exclusively waitrose goods) but the point stands.

Lou Baker said...

Everyone was outraged when it was suggested Tesco might move in.

Sainsburys? It's orgasms all round.

Are you Guardianistas pseudo-snobs perchance?

AliAliAfro said...

Subtle difference Lou:

The proposed Tesco is in Crofton Park opposite a budgens and 100m for a Co-op.

There is no other such mini supermarket in Honor Oak Park where the sainsburys is proposed (unless you count the Nisa which is some way away)...

Are you Telegraphistas all so blinkered? :p

PS for the record I read both the telegraph and the guardian in the (vein) hope that each one will cancel the bias of the other...

AliAliAfro said...

Correction: (vain) hope.

DJ said...

Are Sainsburys posher that Tesco then? I'd rank them together, with Waitrose and Marks above them and Asda below. So now you know exactly how snobby I am.

Anonymous said...

Where's the Nisa?

Anonymous said...

I work for sainsburys can't wait for it to open but wish tesco Would open as I'm not a fan of budgens over priced stale out of date goods

Anonymous said...

Lou, What's a pseudo snob? That doesn't make any sense.....oh

Anonymous said...

Sainsbury's is classier than Tesco for some reason. Maybe its because Tesco is a much bigger company.

Anonymous said...

I get all my meat from Tesco - honest fare

Salim said...

@Anon 13.33
I'm in total agreement with you.The vats majority of these corner shops look run down and shabby. Yes, they provide the essentials, but they do nothing to add to the aesthetics of the area. The vast majority of the owners of these shops - I'm a business trying to get some sort of cohesive business community spirit going - are not interested in the greater community and are unwilling to invest in making their shops look half decent. They fail to adapt their business plans - they just try to offer cheap fare without trying to offer decent
groceries - and then wonder why they are pushed out when a Sainsburys or Tesco undercut them and push them out of business. the truth is, they will never be able to compete with the big boys on price, yet they could compete on fresh produce and a nicer shopping experience. By comparison, their shops look tatty, badly merchandised and way below the standards set by the big chains. If they made themselves more like a traditional grocers with better produce and more intimate customer service, then I suggest they would be able to compete with the said big boys. Unfortunately, most Asian shops look the same and they wonder why they are quickly put out of business when the big chains move in.

Anonymous said...

A lot of the "booze, tins and fags" small cornershops sell on tick, they seem to have a very low down business model that works.

Anonymous said...

...the Sainsburys in Herne Hill if anyone has been there is great, it really compliments the high street.

Anonymous said...

Brockley should look to Herne Hill as a model for a better place. Like Brockley it was a complete dump 10 years ago.

Sam said...

Brockley isn't a complete dump, whereas the average anon is brilliant at typing with one hand....lif you get my drift.

Anonymous said...

What do you mean Sam?? Brockley is not a dump but it could be a lot better. It's certainly getting there

Sam knows. said...

Numb nuts didn't say "it could be better". Everywhere "could be better" the aspiration "to be better" is what has driven mankind from a cave on the Serengeti to putting a rover on mars. He said "a complete dump" which is what miserable buggers, perpetual underachievers, have always said. In fact anon is the Neanderthal, over taken by a more optimistic species.

Brockley is not a dump, some of uses choose to live here and enjoy it.

Anonymous said...

Great news! We'll be there!

Anonymous said...

you are 6 minutes from a big sainsbury in new cross gate. why are youth so lazy?

Anonymous said...

Lou, your comment is a typical unthought out argumentative one, the key here is location, not the name/brand of supermarket local. It wouldn't matter whether it's Tesco or Sainsbury's that arrives on Honor Oak Park, it's just the fact that a shop of that calibre is desperately needed to provide the local community on their way home from the station much needed produce that isn't currently available on the parade.

Honor Oak Bark said...

The distance from getting off the train to the actual Sainsburys adds a fair whack to your journey time, it's hardly convenience shopping, especially if one has a mobility impairment or small children in tow. And you know many local residents don't commute through new x gate, so there is the added expense of taking bus or train to New X or Forest Hill. The big Sydenham Sainsburys is not accesible by public transport from here without taking at least 2 buses. Glad we will finally be able to buy lettuce, fresh cheese and maybe the odd treat from the bakery counter without jumping on a bus! Ps Herne Hill was not a "dump" 10 yrs ago either it has always had great independent traders and restaurants

Donations Accepted said...

Good news for people at the mercy of dirty corner shops and already suffering from ranks of pebble-dashed terraces.
Good for them.

Anonymous said...

What is at 55 honor oak park road currently please? Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Corner shops serve decent fair. Organic delis not

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what the latest is with this? I haven't noticed any change at the proposed site...

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