Live-work arts community proposed for Ashby Mews

Now, by popular demand, we bring you the news that a major scheme has been developed, to create a new live/work destination for artists and craftspeople in Ashby Mews.

A series of applications have been submitted to redevelop the former commercial units at the Ashby Road end of the mews, some of which were destroyed by fire in 2008 and have lain derelict ever since.

The Ashby Studios project would create a string of two-storey live/work spaces designed to provide studio space for artists.

The plan is the brainchild of local artist Jeff  Lowe, who works out of one of the existing units. His studio would be have the west facing facade restored and a and another storey added, with an extension to include contemporary living accommodation, private courtyard and a non-residential store.

The Brockley Society is supportive of the principle of sensitive development of Brockley's mews, some of which have become dumping grounds for rubbish. However, the plans are opposed by some residents of Manor Avenue on the basis that the new units would overlook their back gardens.

The question of whether Brockley's mews are valid sites for development is one which has already been debated in principle before on this site, but it would be good to get the views of readers in light of this particular proposal.

127 comments:

Anonymous said...

How fantastic! Looks great and I think it's great to encourage artists to base themselves in Brockley - it will make the area more dynamic, interesting and therefore a great place to live.

Katy said...

Sounds really good - a home for the artists Brockley is known for! (And wouldn't almost any development be likely to be two-storey, so the Manor Avenue residents might be best off saying yes to this one as I guess artists' studios won't be used 24/7??)

Ruairi said...

The scheme looks great and a good use of the muse which has become a bit of an eye sore as well as a spot for fly tipping. Would be great to have something similar to the creative street at Havelock walk in forest Hill. I can understand the Manor Ave. residents are concerned about overlooking, but I believe this has been dealt with in the design and they could end up with something a lot worse…….

Robert said...

Katy.
To be fair to the Manor Avenue residents - the units proposed are live/work, so yes, this end of the Mews will probably be occupied 24/7.

Brockley Society supported this application because we felt it was a very high quality proposal, replacing an existing consent for the site which was very poor.

It is probably the only time BrocSoc have supported a mews application that involves living accommodation, but then again, it is probably the only application we have ever seen in the Mews that was exciting enough to lend support to. It certainly doesn't mean that we will be supporting other Mews development proposals - in fact we have recently objected to one at Breakespears Mews.

Of course, it's not BrocSoc that decides matters, we just write letters. That privelige belongs to Lewisham Planners - or if it goes to committee our elected councillors (apologies to state the obvious).

david said...

When I lived on Manor Ave, back in 2001-3, there were a couple of incidents where someone tried to break through the back gate from Ashby Mews into the garden (presumably to try and then get into the flats).

The mews has been for sometime run down. This seems a great use of otherwise underused space, and far more inventive than just more housing. Greater levels of actvicty along the mews and, hopefully better lighting and infrastructure, will make them more secure and thus better for residents on adjoining roads.

Anonymous said...

With increasing house prices in Brockley something like this is fantastic - it will help keep the people here who made Brockley what it is ...

Anonymous said...

An Artists Mews.I get it!

headhunter said...

I can understand residents concerns. Why do the units have to be live in? Can't they simply be studio units?

Richard Elliot said...

After a few years away I've only been back in Brockley a couple of weeks and am enjoying exploring the area again.

It strikes me that the mews are the conservation areas biggest untapped resources. It would be fantastic to bring some life back to the mews with positive developments.

I think each application should be judged on its merits, but creative live / work spaces for one of the mews sounds like a great idea to me.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Lowe was actually also responsible for Havelock walk in Forest Hill so seems like the ideal person to deliver a project like this.

notesofanidealist said...

Jeff did the same kind of thing with the old A W Gregory place in Crofton Park--including raising the neighbours' rear walls--and made a very good job of it. Certainly improved security for the surrounding houses.

TheManorMilitia said...

"A series of applications have been submitted to redevelop the former commercial units at the Ashby Road end of the mews, some of which were destroyed by fire in 2008 and have lain derelict ever since."

Only one was destroyed in a mysterious fire. It was a building that prevented the first application going through.

None 'have lain derelict ever since'. Save for the one that burnt down, so you must have made that one up.

Anonymous said...

talk about stage managed.

Anonymous said...

Brockly Nick bares his teeth.

Anonymous said...

HH, they don't have to be live in but live in us a perfectly reasonable idea. London does not have enough accommodation, this will create studio and living space with seemingly little impact and no apparently dreadful highrises, which we all know are inherently evil.

Anonymous said...

Good to see a planning application that isn't Tesco/big block of flats, and Brockley's artistic community deserves this kind of support, but I can understand concern from Manor Ave residents.

Anonymous said...

"...with seemingly little impact and no apparently dreadful highrises, which we all know are inherently evil."

Note that very long shadow in the drawing.

Anonymous said...

People keep making reference to the 'artistic community' but I've never met any of them.

Brockley Nick said...

Well one of them is the person behind this project - click on the link. Or maybe go to one of the many open studios events that take place here. Or click on the "art" link at the bottom of this feature, which will take you to lots of articles about local artists.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you need help meeting any other members of the community.

Anonymous said...

All the units have been occupied for many years and slowly bought up by this chap Lowe whatever he does he must wait for permission,not just charge ahead then ask or I oppose on that alone.There are a few businesses up there so as long as they can keep working all well and good.

Anonymous said...

I like the sound of this.

Is it financially unviable to have say two thirds of the buildings as a live-work arrangement and the remaining third work-only studios? It might open up a much wider range of prospective artists, and an interesting vibrancy to the stretch.

Anonymous said...

What constitutes a 'local artist': those based in Brockley? Or those who have made a killing elsewhere in property and now eyeing up Brockley?

Bored of attempted satire. said...

Yawn..... Go to bed anon, there's a wall palm and a box of Kleenex waiting for you.

Anonymous said...

Local artists are much in evidence if you visit the Brockley Open Studios

http://www.ponyhide.com/bos.co.uk/artist-email.html

Most have lived in Brockley donkeys years.

Build it bigger. said...

These brown field sites should be used for the sort of high density blocks that are going up in Lewisham. It's a waste to only put two storeys here, as Nick said in another post, more people is better for the city and community and leads to reduced crime.

Anonymous said...

The Manor residents can just plant trees and shrubs at the end of their gardens for privacy

headhunter said...

Anon raises a valid point. What I'd the definition of a local artist? Who's going to stop some car repair mechanic business ultimately getting hold of these units? What would stop any old business buying these so called 'artist' spaces once they're on the open market? I just think that building actual dwellings asking the news sets a dangerous precedent to all and sundry applying to build cheap houses along all the mews. once the precedent has been set it will be hard for the council to reject future applications by developers who will appeal against applications that are refused on the basis that these live in units were approved

headhunter said...

'What I'd the definition of a local artist? ' means what IS the definition of a local artist

'I just think that building actual dwellings asking the news sets a dangerous precedent to all and sundry applying to build cheap houses along all the mews. '

building actual dwellings IN THE MEWS sets a dangerous precedent

Bloody phone...

Anonymous said...

Headhunter- There already are car mechanics on the mews.....

Anonymous said...

We live on Upper Brockley Road which also backs on to the mews. Whilst we are supportive of regeneration of the mews, in place of a single storey building opposite the end of our garden we are getting a two storey unit with a balcony which looks straight on to our garden. We can't plant trees at the end of our garden, as suggested above, without blocking off our access to the mews. If it was single storey and live work we'd have no complaints.

Batteries Not Included said...

I'm am a local artist / designer and one of the residence affected by this proposal, to build a new street behind where I live.

I've happily lived alongside the current and former occupants of the mews for nearly a decade... which operated mainly during work hours and nothing else.
Which has allowed me, my family, friends and neighbours to enjoy our gardens whenever we pleased.

This current proposal will encroach on my privacy, use of the garden, access and overall general liberty to come and go from where I live.

Also any future planning applications, i wish to put in, one day when I have the money, to fix up or develop the space for myself or for my business, will be un-viable due to these current proposals.

I really don't want or need any more neighbours, as well as all the commercial and human traffic and general disruption, a new street would bring to the neighbourhood 24/7.

The proposed new street will be worth several million pounds, as currently whole units in Havelock Mews are worth between 800k and 1.2 Million each and some are split top and bottom and sold for 500k a pop.

So you can roughly work out the value of the proposed new street, that's trying to squeeze in behind me,.

I can only see the benefit to the developers and a few neighbours and that of a personal and financial loss to me and some of my friends and neighbours.

I really hope this proposal doesn't get the go ahead.

headhuntet said...

Yes anon, I know there are already car mechanics in the mews and personally I'd prefer there weren't any more, hence my point...

Anonymous said...

Looks like the Manor Avenue militia set have mobilised.

Gasmasks on everyone until the danger has passed.

JP said...


The Brockley Society is misguided in suggesting this does not establish a grab for any other mews areas. There is currently a planning application for residential in Breakspears Mews. (See 19 Wickham road.) This developer and others will simply site Ashby Mews, and win at appeal, should the council have the guts to challenge them that is.

Headhunter, as you may know the other planning application for part of this site, which was approved and with conditions (called for by residents and ensured by the planning committee) did not allow such hours of usage, or days of use. We worked hard to get that and the council in its wisdom protected us.

And neither is Ashby Mews Havelock Walk. The latter retained original buildings and was not overly bearing in nature; only in units where the current devloper then went on to build higher. (As he s currently attempting to do at another site in Lewisham.)

In one instance alone we have a single person calling for his dwelling to be over 10,000 ft square.

The developer recently advertised his other property for sale at this link. www.residential. rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31955627.html

In the past in Lewisham ‘live/work’ has later been changed to full residential due to the difficulties in getting mortgages, or at least that‘s the claim.

The estate agent writes a letter to the owner (developer) claiming that it’s hard to get any offers due to the Section 106 which ensures retention as live-work; the solicitor acting for the developer then writes to the mayor to have the Section 106 removed. ‘Residential’ is then established out of the ruins if what was supposed to be viable live-work..

That said, objectors welcome plans for artists studios. But those that follow the line of the present buildings, retain some of the character, and with residential being sited elsewhere.

The developers (there are several now actually) are not open to negotiation and so here we are.

Hope that informs your view.

JP said...

Oops, sorry, looking after two kids at the minute so posted the wrong link in haste. That one records some of the properties that later sold in Havelock Walk.

This is the link to the devloper's current sale;
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31955627.html

Anonymous said...

What does the value of his current house have to do with it? Just sounds like sour grapes.

Alan Sugar said...

@Anon the sale of his previous place and other sites that Lowe and Co own, develop and try to develop, have a fair bit to do with it. It clearly show's Mr Lowe is a property developer and his business dealing will and do have an effect on everyone around and those closest to it, physically as well as financially.

You're a lightweight your fired!

Anonymous said...

I've sold my house a few times for a profit, and moved somewhere else too. Does make me a property developer as well?

And so what if he has made money from property. The question we should be asking is - is he a good developer? Have the buildings he has profited from been beneficial to others?

It's a shame that the Manor Avenue mob feel that they have needed to resort to character assasination to make their point. It's pretty ugly actually.

Alan Sugar said...

@Anon No! and he hasn't just done what you said and No again in this instance as I won't profit from this.

What a hollow argument... good developer and comparing two very different setups... chalk and cheese.

As for a character assassination... you're talking this one up a bit too much.. aren't you.

You're a lightweight and your still fired!

JP said...

The point being made is that this is not solely altruistic.

It's the developer and rentamob who constantly present the Havelock Walk credentials. So it is of interest. Not based on what he's made, good luck to him, but based on what has actually happened there and at other locations with these schemes, and what may happen in the orher mews areas. I have cited Breakspears Mews previously.

In 2002 another developer (see http://tinyurl.com/8d4n9vh) was refused the right to change the use of his building to live/work at Havelock walk.

He met with 8 objections, due to ‘the proposed building would be visually obtrusive when viewed from Havelock Walk and would adversely affect the amenities of the occupiers of 30-32 Havelock Walk.'

It is somewhat ironic that one is accused of character assassination.... as the owner of the above is the same developer at Ashby Mews. Mr Lowe.

He wasn’t alone in objecting.

Other objectors were artists too who clearly wanted to protect their community.

Ironically, like us, they thought that this development would 'fail to preserve or enhance the character of the Forest Hill Conservation Area.'

And so what is so wrong with us doing the same for the Brockey Conservation Area and for the enjoyment of our own amenities?

See also http://tinyurl.com/8vza5s5

This application saw 15 objections from the artists at Havelock Walk: the current developer at Ashby Mews amongst them.

headhunter said...

I'm sure that everyone would be perfectly happy with lovely 'artists' with their quaint and lovely ways living at the end of their garden but the point is, when we get down to brass tacks, who is going to enforce that these units are occupied by 'artists'? The council? Who is going to ensure that in a year or 2 they don't just become straight houses or worse yet, illegal business units as blight the other mews? is this simply going to set a precedent for developers to push through further residential development on the mews? If but how is this going to be prevented? If the broc soc is really supporting this, surely they have thought through the above points....

Headhunter said...

By the way, if all these things can be assured, I'm fine with this development. I'm just a bit sceptical of it at the moment...

kolp said...

To be honest, if I was in the situation that the Manor Avenue residents are in. I would be instructing my solicitor to bone up on property law. In preparation to fight this tooth and nail.

Anonymous said...

kolp.
That would be an extraordinary waste up money. If it is consented, then it will be built. There are no laws that can prevent it.

There is no appeal process available to anyone who might feel agreived or disadvantaged by someone else's application.

The site is not on the Manor Avenue residents property - it is adjacent to it.

kolp said...

I am not advocating fighting the law, I am saying work WITH the law.

JP said...

Headhunter, the answer to your question: See Lewisham Council and Live-work scheme, here: http://tinyurl.com/38aa5mg
and See “7. Proposal” and “Conclusion here
http://tinyurl.com/38aa5mg

Kolp. Watch this space...

Hopefully though the developer will downsize his ambitions a tad and it's a win-win.

Anonymous said...

Every house property in London, from the shard to the row upon row of victorian terraces were built and sold on for a profit. Property development is not evil, they are building places that people need to live and work in. It were all fields here you know only 120 years ago.

HH, nothing will ever be built if you elieve that it has to be and policed for ever as to who uses it.

JP said...

HH sorry, meant to direct you to the modus operandi of one such scheme:
http://tinyurl.com/9zhnfvo

Broom Broom said...

Will the gates still be kept at either end or will they go?

As it would make an easy rat run.. I mean short cut for getting the kids to school and then on to work in the morning ;)

Alan Sugar said...

@Anon your putting words in peoples mouths again. "Who said property development was evil"?

Your really milking this one.

Actually read what is before you! You can read can't you?

Let someone else give there opinion. Instead of you being a cry baby.

By the way your still fired and I won't give you a reference.

@Broom Broom they'll be pearly gates ;)

brockley cross said...

seems like a great idea, good thing are eventually happening in brockley!!!

Anonymous said...

Can't wait to see more, thanks for the links on Jeff Lowe JP. Had a look at some other stuff as well, not only is he an amazing developer but a great artist. He has exhibited all over the world. Very exciting!!!!
check out his website
http://www.jeff-lowe.com/

Anonymous said...

Wow !!! great sculpture!! Big fan of the open studios in Havelock walk, I saw him exhibit there one year. Hope for more of the same in ashby.

Anonymous said...

yeah just had a look at his website, he is quite clearly genuine. I take back what I said before!

Anonymous said...

I wonder if anyone knows?..I keep hearing rumours that the developers ( I think they might be Brockley based) who tried to get planning for 'The View at Hilly Fields Project' also tried to buy these buildings in Ashby mews...I wonder what they had in mind?

Anonymous said...

No. I personally know those developers. They moved on to invest in Deptford instead.

JP said...

http://tinyurl.com/cm95po8

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=149tHCahBmg

Anonymous said...

"During the last two years Lowe has designed and restored a series of warehouses in Brockley, South East London to create a new living and showing space."

'Designed and restored'?

Really.

Article supposedly published Wednesday, March 10, 2010?

Anonymous said...

Read it with interest. Live/work at Havelock Walk was was started by residents Dickens and Rose Thaker. But full marks went to neighbour Sophie Williams, at number 15, who got her's granted in 1998 - so there are a few porkies here. Women written out of history by men, again.

David said...

Note sure what that youtube is about.
This is worth a read. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/interiorsandshopping/8889223/Finding-a-livework-balance.html

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JP said...

I can't quite understand why these developers and their cronies are are pushing this.

Even though the last developer managed to get his planning application through, he discovered (before hand) that he couldn't actually build due to easement rights; mine and others.

The last developer had a surveyor inspect the end of my garden.
The surveyor's immediate response: 'He can't do it.'

Nobody at the council had bothered to accept this because it was not deemed a planning issue. (A waste of public money I know.) This resulted in the devloper 'Ivan', who said at the committee that he would never sell, passing the turkey to the next chump.

It seems unlikely, with affairs as they are, that such a development will ever get off the drawing board - no matter what Lewisham Planning (which is behind this scheme) decides.

Please Nick do not bother deleting any post that makes an accusation against me. I am more than able to defend myself.

And for the record, no I did not try to buy thes units. Again this is another malicious falsehood, and I leave it to the fair minded amongst you to decide from where they come.

Personally, with the threat to my own amenity, and increased noise levels (at any time these live/work artists decide), in addition to the way they have attempted to misrepresent my concerns, I wish I had the money to do so. But it certainly would not be in the form of residential.

I am sorry for those of you who want improvements there, but that's where matters stand I'm afraid.

JP said...

Can I also direct those sold on the idea to the following.

The developer of Unit 4, who repeatedly claimed she owned the building (she does not), came across as very pleasant and believable at a recent planning meeting on the subject of noise levels. She greatly impressed a mob of artists who had been bussed in by the developer (with the additional offer of a drink?).

24/7/365... would you not be concerned?

http://tinyurl.com/8s9vzpz

Anonymous said...

keeping the wine warm hey?

Anonymous said...

did ivan find you a rate at 4% JP, i'm guessing the wine got sour. Sounds like jealousy to me

Anonymous said...

Anon..this sounds very specific...are you saying that JP was actively courting the previous owner in an effort to buy the buildings when at the same he was involved in the fight against the owner to stop his development ?...that would be pretty hypocritical ! JP has clearly put himself on record saying he didn't try to buy buildings are you saying he did?

Eryka Isaak said...

Let me clarify a few things things to avoid any misunderstandings.

My husband and I do indeed own the title to 4 Ashby Mews - title no. TGL361527

With reference to the link, the noise issues referred to in the article you posted were in the context of working in a shared terraced house.
Working in a purpose built live/work environment, 30 metres from other houses would clearly not pose the same issues.

I have been delighted to engage already with the artistic community in the area, and was further delighted by their support at the meeting. I look forward to having a similarly positive relationship with the broader local community.

All the information that has been requested by John Morgan and Simon Weston has been made available to Monique Wallace our planning officer, but should anyone have any further questions or comments please do feel free to contact me directly iam@erykaisaak.com

My husband and I very much look forward to being good and responsible neighbours.

best regards Eryka Isaak (Djavit)

Anonymous said...

JP..saying as you essentially implied in your previous posting that the lady was telling lies surely the most gentlemanly and right thing to do now would be to give her a public apology?

Anonymous said...

Evidence please, without the Anon titles.

JP said...

Don't worry Anon.

Your other anon is referring to an attempt by the previous developer to sell the buildings to Manor avenue residents, after he won at planning and swore he would never sell.

It's only when I saw refence to '4%' - which Mr Bateman said he could get on his own properties, and 'wine' that I realised what these pricks are getting at.

The wine I bet NBateman he would never get his permission to build. The planning department gave permission, but the easement situation did not allow it.

He never got the wine.

The question really is why an edited version of this is now in the hands of the current 'anons'.

Am I to assume that having got planning through for commercial live/work is now related?

My own wikileaks later.

Anonymous said...

This is getting a bit heated CALM DOWN JP. Keep your cool. I have to leave this chat now I can not tolerate cursing. Disgusting behaviour :(

JP said...

The other strange thing about this, and I do not know if these things are possible, but there are only three sources such infornmation could have come from - and one of them is my private email box.

Yikes!

The anons must be getting desperate.

Anonymous said...

PS i'm sure the applicants have handed all the evidence on to the planning department. PPS JP don't know what your getting so worked up about if this easement situation is correct the applicants will not be building! Why are you still appealing ? enlighten everyone cause I really don't have a clue what your talking about...
Anyway I need sleep as some of us work for a living.....

Inspector Mungo said...

Good honest chat please everyone.

Anonymous said...

'Evidence'? What that someone is opposed to a building?

Anonymous said...

Soulless and dreadful design without an ounce of appreciation of the neighbourhood. Would be more appropriate on a trading estate somewhere.

One day a developer somewhere will find an architect who has some appreciation of context.

Grand lizard overlord said...

Wikileaks? Don't mean to be rude but you do like to portray yourself as a courageous everyman battling the forces that control our lives, the one world government (Lewisham dept). Do you really think there is a co-ordinated campaign of subterfuge or are you simply loosing a fairly normal, provincial planning argument between neighbours?

Wikileaks, exposing what's going down in Afghanistan, JPM dummy spitting about some garages.

Entertaining though, keep it up. More revelations please, love the "coming soon" and "later I will reveal" device, very 1950's scandle mag.

Anonymous said...

For my sixpence worth, I’m not won over by witch-hunting ‘anons’ or developers who may not be wholy transparent in their dealings…some of which have pushed me further away from this intrusion into the mews. I’d like to know why they haven’t discussed the following:

green roofs
outside amity buffer zone between gardens and development
drain survey
light pollution
extraction for fumes and toxic waste (if any)
noise pollution controls near neighbouring gardens (a buffer zone?)

These are the considerations that win people over, not developers claiming to have spoken to an artistic community that was invited in -by those developers. Brockley has its own arts community.

Anonymous said...

I meant 'amenity'.

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a non said...

Well some of that is simply part of the building control application, will all the neighbours be drainage experts? Also, what of one neighbour doesn't want a green roof? It's not grounds for rejection. People really need to understand the process. You put in you put in plans to the local authority, they check for compliance and collect objections. Then you can talk aboutnlight polution, but with some demonstrable issue not a general feeling that they might on occasion have lights. We live in london, Terraces and gardens that are back to back. You'll never please all the people all the time.

Julian said...

Good Retort.

Anonymous said...

Well said Grand lizard, JP your a legend in my eyes so entertaining !!! Although nobody can really take anything you say very seriously. Keep trying and digging though! I'm a fan!

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Anonymous said...

To those who don't actually live in Manor avenue where the building works and so called live/work development will take place should be more appreciative of what this means for those who do!
I moved my family to this are in 2003 and love living in Manor avenue. We spend a lot of our time in the garden with no one able to look over into the garden. I have researched this developer and it may seem (opinion only) that this developer may have other intentions for this project, these intention could and will effect us as residents. The other factor is the wild life - We have a 2 families of foxes, loads of squirrels and on some occasion at dusk the bats come out! Reconstructing the mews will be an advantage to those who will make money but the poor animals will again be ousted out of their home! Please bare this in mind council!

Anonymous said...

from my understanding the new plans are far more sympathetic than the horrible plans that already have planning. I am also a neighbour and have met the artists. Im aware that this would of been a large investment especially for artists, so they can't afford to leave it as it is. I think your not thinking about what could happen if this planning isn't granted! This may have a short term affect on us while its being built, however I plead you to look at the bigger picture.

Anonymous said...

Re: wildlife. They have protection, the developer will have to demonstrate that no PROTECTED species are adversely affected. Bats are protected, foxes are not, nor are squirrels.

If every development was halted because of squirrels you may as well stop any development in London. What about pigeons?

Buying a property does not give you an automatic veto for EVERY development that may inconvenience you. The question is how much inconvinience is too much and is it more than the net benefits to Londoners and does it unresonably stop someone building on land they own.

That's all.

Anonymous said...

JP: can you elaborate on the issue of easement rights? My understanding is that the proposed units will be built on the same footprints of the existing units. Assuming the existing units don't infringe your easement rights, what is it about the proposed units that will?

Grand Designs said...

Personally, I don't think the plans really go far enough as for eco credentials... sorry.

Maybe I'm expecting medals too much?... But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing though.

I can recommend some really top architects that specialize in design and building in conservation areas and Eco design.

As for the bigger picture, I really think that it will take them sometime to finish to the level that, the current plans suggest and will defiantly cost more money, and cause more disruption.

The ground works and street infrastructure alone will be a substantial cost. I really hope they've got there figures right on that one and conway aren't involved.

Is there any suggestion of how long they expect this new street build to take and who they would get in to do the job if they get permission?

Will they try and build all at the same time?
or will this be spread over several years?

This could be a very long build.

I'm sure some will end up selling up if they get planning consent, as it could be just too costly for the lesser healed artists?

Witileaks said...

Grand Designs, view previous planning app for Conditions.

http://tinyurl.com/9nvu552

Grand Designs said...

Thanks Witileaks, that highlighted a few details, that my neighbour maybe interested in.

I take it the planning permission that was granted for that completely different proposal is set to expire soon?

Anonymous said...

What a can of worms

Anonymous said...

Not really.

Witileaks said...

Yes.

Anonymous said...

JPM, stop talking to yourself. It destroys what credibility you have.

JP said...

Jeff, Joe, Rob, whatever anonymous persons actually call themselves... I don't need to do that.

I have though spoken to the previous owner of that site, and will forward his response to the new owner in order to address some of the more outlandish claims and slurs made; chief amongst them that I tried to buy this site and that is my sole motivation for halting the development. Which, together with other opinions, have cemented my view.

Once again, Nick, don't feel the need to delete any threat or libelous claim made here about me. (Save for any made about my family.) I understand that you would not choose to be associated with such behaviour.

I do not hold you personally responsible for anything printed. I will not make any claim against your site; which merely seeks to inform.

Let others see what happens when the ant stands in front of the proverbial giant.


Anonymous said...

quote: " I certainly might entertain adding something extra to my little portfolio, as I'm due to refinance. But the price would have to be right. (Hint-Hint!)"

Anonymous said...

JP: Why not explain the easement rights?

Jessie J said...

There is some real venom on here.
Posted by Anonymous individuals.
Specifically targeting specific individuals.

These Anon's are clearly making multiple successive posts,
most likely trying to balance the thread by numbers.
To win in there mind petty snipes, it's really lame and naivety,
which is both sad and funny,

But I suppose that what happens when it's all about the money, money, money,

Its all about the money, money, money,
Forget about your friends and forget about your neighbours,
I don't think its funny, funny funny,

As it's all about the money, money, money,

I see the bully buying and the ego tripping,

The beautiful side of reality is slipping,
Why have some people got it so very wrong today.

jessie-j-lyrics-price-tag

$hi%ing on your own door step or that of your friends and neighbours.
Is gonna get messy and you'll all slip over.

Anonymous said...

Can we please all stick to the topic please

JP said...

I am disturbed by this posting, which I can confirm is part of a private email exchange some years back.

The previous developer, Ivan Bateman, having got planning permission for work space, asked myself and the neighbours if we would like to buy the units, that he claimed to council he would never sell. That way we could have kept the old businesses in them.

We did not attempt to and could not afford to buy these units - and certainly not me alone.

Sent: Tue 17/08/2010 11:20
To: Ivan Bateman
Subject: RE: Ashby Mews & Meeting

Dear Ivan

Firstly, I forgot to hand over you wine. I will put that right at your next visit.

Secondly, my apologies for not getting back to you in relation to the unit at the end of my garden. Simon has now written to me, and I copy his comments below.

Perhaps the existing tenant may be a better avenue for you.

Best of luck

John

The 'existing tenant' was the Art of Cast, a family business that had been there for years; but was later kicked out due to the present planning application.

Nick, I am concerned that my email acount may have been broken into. I will now forward this matter to the correct authority in order to identify this individual.

Once more, if you can leave the anonymous poster who is suppliyng my emails on your site it would be appreciated.

I have nothing to hide.

Anon said...

Wut? Is Jessie making a point that people build properties in order to realise a profit? Tbh that's not exactly news or indeed has any real moral value. All I London has and will continue to be built by people who want to make a few quid, or do you think it's done through benevolence? Any property built in London will inconvinience someone. These are life lessons that you learn after about 15.

JP said...

@brockleyNick, could you please reintroduce the last poster claim, and my response to it.

Anonymous said...

How exciting, wish I could live there

JP said...

Nick, could you please reinstate my rebuttal to the last 'Hint-Hint' claims, and those posts which i believe are connected below.
Thanks.

Anonymous said...
did ivan find you a rate at 4% JP, i'm guessing the wine got sour. Sounds like jealousy to me
19 August 2012 12:17 Anonymous said...

Anon..this sounds very specific...are you saying that JP was actively courting the previous owner in an effort to buy the buildings when at the same he was involved in the fight against the owner to stop his development ?...that would be pretty hypocritical ! JP has clearly put himself on record saying he didn't try to buy buildings are you saying he did?
19 August 2012 13:24

Anonymous said...

... and the easement rights?

This seems to be key for whether it will be actually build but nobody has bothered to explain it.

What rights do the current residents of Manor Avenue have over Ashby Mews?

Neo said...

@Anon you are openly showing yourself to be quite ignorant and patronizing.

This must come with some Freudian confrontations you've obviously wrestled with or age related dementia. ;)

You've miss the point completely, and referring to "These are life lessons that you learn after about 15" lol.

Your so funny.

Why not post by your name, a handle or an apt Monika.

It makes it easier for people to clearly see your skew, rather than random ramblings as anon fool. ;)

@Jessie J I think most of us hear what your saying and that it's all gong a bit Pete Tong.

@anon do you need me explain what and who Pete Tong is?

Anonymous said...

Great mews, I hope it will be like havelock walk

Anonymous said...

Yeah havelock walk is great, would be so much fun to have a place like that in brockley :)

Neo said...

oh dear, how very sad.

I had really hoped it would be just like Manor Avenue...

Lowe,r Manor Avenue

Anonymous said...

They should put an art cafe there? Have they got Dr Georges building ?

Neo said...

Lets put in a free range butchers, an artisan bakers and an a ethically made candle stick makers. ;)

Then it won't be a carbon copy of another part of town ;)

We could get Mary Portas to open it ;)

JP said...

Nick, thanks for reposting.

I appreciate the difficulty, but my private emails have been accessed, released (in part) publicly by an unknown indivdual or individuals, in order to make me appear corrupt.

Anonymous individuals engaged in such despicable actions should be challenged.

To the individual anon who wants to know about 'easement law' etc: do some reading.

Before I shelled out £250k on purchasing one of these 'potential' live/work spaces, I would also read up on that and the Party Wall (etc) Act, a minefield for potential developers.

If I had been given assurances that I would get planning permission through for live/work, I would expect others to ask why I was so certain.

The planning committee is a semi-judicial body; which should not predetermine a planning decision.

I've said in the past and I'll say it again: Love to see (certain)artists at the end and side of my garden: but not 24/7/365.

Brockley Nick said...

@JP - I have unblocked your recent post, which had been caught in the spam filters. I have not got a copy of the earlier post to which you refer, which I think I deleted as it seemed to be an invasion of privacy.

Anonymous said...

Where can I read up on the easement rights for this particular location?

Why are you reluctant to just provide the information here?

Anonymous said...

@JP Let him do his own legwork.

Anonymous said...

Why? JP's threat of 'easement rights' seems designed to ward off potential developers and the unwillingness to spell out what these rights actually are suggests that this threat is actually quite weak.

Many of the houses have gates on to the Mews - do they have a right of way? Do they collectively own the road? It would only take a minute to spell it out.

Anonymous said...

JP: I am the first Anonymous who asked about easement rights. Before posting I did a Google search which told me that easement rights are very specific to individual properties and that such rights will be defined by exact wording, which will appear on the title deeds.

Are you or are you not willing to disclose the wording of the easement rights that you claim to have?

Anonymous said...

@JP Let them squirm it's not long now. Don't play into there hands, I've been trying to sit on the fence and be objectie, but some anon's have really been quite nasty towards you. I'm sure they'll all be made aware in the end.

Then we can all fall out with each other over something else.

Bourne said...

Hacking into your private emails? Really? You've gone to the police then. Assuming they're not part of it of course.

The number of situations where you've been thwarted by the powers that be and been the victim of dark conspiracies. Once would be unfortunate, twice would be exceptional. It just keeps happening. Sad world we live in.

Anonymous said...

@JP I wouldn't have thought someone has hacked into your private emails?

That does require a little bit of skill, to exit and leave without a trace, but this can be checked out.

I would have thought there must be a more plausible explanation to the fact that someone obtained what you say is privileged information and is only specific to you.

Anonymous said...

@JP..I cannot believe that you have not been man enough to apologise to the lady you called a liar on a public forum! She was right ..you were wrong! Its the least you could do?

Anonymous said...

As a Brockley resident since 1989 it has been a pleasure to witness the area develop and start to realize its considerable potential.   When I first started to look at Brockley Central last year I was intrigued and excited to learn about the thoughts and aspirations of my neighbours, both known and anonymous..

What has gone wrong?  

To read the postings regarding the development of Ashby Mews is deeply troubling and demeans all those who are actively involved on both sides of the debate.  If all we can offer to each other is this level of exchange and personal vilification, then what hope do we have of developing a greater sense of community and understanding in our area, our neighborhood?  This is anti-social behaviour at its worst from intelligent, engaged individuals who should know better.  

Please can understandably emotive debates about community topics and people's homes be conducted in a more measured and less aggressive atmosphere, particularly if some of the posts are anonymous.  Intentionally or otherwise, personal comments from anonymous posts carry with them connotations of bullying and victimization.  If we are all to work together and become a community in all senses of the word we will need to accept that many will hold different perspectives on Brockley's future and learn to live with them.

This is our community, not just yours so please let's avoid bringing the worst of ourselves to the table when engaging in a debate about its future.

Thank you.

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