Shardeloes Road rehab centre abandoned

The landlord of the old bank on Shardeloes Road, has decided to withdraw from the arrangement that would have led to the creation of a drug rehabilitation centre at that location. The decision means that the centre, which had been given permission to operate for a minimum of one year, will not now be built.

The planning committee had given the centre permission to operate on a one-year trial basis with scope to extend its licence to operate if the centre performed well. Treatment providers CRI appealed the decision, asking for a minimum of five years, suggesting that they were not confident that a review after one year would have produced a favourable verdict on the centre's performance. This appeal will not now take place and an alternative solution will be sought.

A statement from the Council reads:

Lewisham Council and NHS Lewisham are looking at fresh plans at how they can best deliver drug and alcohol treatment and recovery services in the north of the borough. 

A treatment centre was originally planned to be housed in the old bank on Shardeloes Road in Brockley for clients that live in Deptford, New Cross and Brockley areas. 

The service there will not now go ahead after the landlord who owns the building decided to withdraw its use due to the length of time it has taken to progress the deal. 

There has been a lengthy consultation and planning process for the proposed services to be delivered from Shardeloes Road. CRI New Direction, which delivers drug and alcohol support services in the borough on behalf of Lewisham Council, was due to run the proposed service at Shardeloes Road. 

Officers across the partnership will now be looking at a range of new ideas to see how and where it can deliver the much-needed treatment and recovery services in the north area. 

For information, help or confidential advice go to www.lewisham.gov.uk and search on ‘drugs and alcohol’ or call the Lewisham Drug and Alcohol Action Team on 020 8314 8226.

Cllrs Vicky Foxcroft and Adefiranye responded to the news, saying:

We are happy that this decision has taken place. We were never convinced that this was the best place for this service. We have felt it may be more appropriate for it to be placed in a health centre, where service users are not easily identifiable and where they can have access to other treatments. We do hope that a more suitable location is found, as we know how important this service is to its users.

75 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sensible - this place should go in a health centre, not in the middle of a village.

Anonymous said...

"A Village" please, what utter nonsense. This is zone 2 London!!!!

Also do you really want the clients who use this service milling around a health centre. They have very specific needs and require very specific specialised professional support. Sometimes they are violent / drunk / unpleasant / bleeding / and carrying HIV TB & HEP C. So the idea of sending them to a health centre is frankly ridiculous. I would also like to point out that most of the time this kind of "client" is not any of the above, so the location was perfect!!! Lets not hide away from the fact that some of our "villagers" need this kind of help. Anon [12 yrs experience working in front line services" and nothing to do with this project, just a villager!

flickyourmungbean said...

Welcome to Mung Village.

I don't want the rehab centre near me because I don't want a load of ex or current smack heads hanging around where I live. It's a shame others here are too dishonest to admit the same.

Miss L said...

flickyourmungbean, in that case, it's a shame yoou already have a load of ex or current smack heads (as you put it) hanging around where you live, treatment centre or not. It's naive to think there are no substance misusers living amongst us!

It's a shame the Council/NHS spent all that money on the huge consultation only for this to be the outcome.

Brockley Nick said...

It is a shame, but underlines that this was the wrong location in the first place. Groups like the BXAG pointed out that the landlord's long-term plans for the site made this an unsuitable choice for a centre and some people said this was just a NIMBY excuse, but BXAG were right...

flickyourmungbean said...

BXAG made the right call, its not like this would have enhanced the immediate shabby vicinity anyway. BC is lame enough already without a bloody drug treatment centre.

They should be treated in a large secure NHS building like a health centre or hospital i.e. not Brockley.

flickyourmungbean said...

Miss L would you want to live next door to a drug treatment centre?

Anonymous said...

I would.

Anonymous said...

Good riddance.

D. Ranged said...

They should open up a centre for the mentally impaired, admitting anyone who refers to Brockley as a village.

Shame said...

BXAG blew their cover on this one and exposed themselves as just the activist wing of Brock Soc nimbyism, rather than a body with any concern for Brockley residents who don't fit their desired demographic.

Anonymous said...

BXAG, Broc Soc are middle class nimbiy groups but they were right on this.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't underline it was the wrong location it underlines the middle class of Brockley are in denial.

Anonymous said...

Finally someone who shows some common sense, the developer.

The place will be redeveloped soon, why CRI has wasted its time in proposing this location remains a mistery.

Institutional masochism perhaps...

Mb said...

So you're a right on middle class guardianista if you support it or a middleclass nimby if you dont? Perhaps the issue doesn't fit the silly pigeon holes.

Anonymous said...

Great result. Not gonna lie, I live close by, and did not want it near where I lived. Selfish? perhaps, but there are more suitable locations.

And before everyone bleats NIMBY - I have also worked in this sector and have had to deal with complaints from neighbours and local businesses about clients being disruptive, antisocial and causing problems. IT's not easy to deal with - you can't control an individual's behaviour outside the service, and although it's easy to say ban them - it'snot as simple as that when you've got targets to meet and paid by positive outcomes.

JPM said...

It's time people claimed the N word with pride. Call me a NIMBY anytime. Totally unsuitable location - well done to BX Action Group.

Anonymous said...

Interesting how folk think a medical centre in New Cross is a better location....

In a documentry made in Brockley showing the divide between the haves and the have nots it was the child of a well off family that was implicated in being involved with drugs.

The well to do kids of Brockley can have their drugs (often cocaine) delivered almost to the door by criminals, meanwhile the parents will protest about crime expunging from their minds the thought it may be as a result of their childrens craving for drugs.

No doubt in a few years the parents of Brockley will be demanding a rehab centre in the area so their little Johnny or Mary doesn't have to mix with the riff raff of New Cross.

Anonymous said...

Yes, only the middle classes are anti drug addicts living nearby.
Ever read the Sun?

Mb said...

Irrelevent if you're anti addicts or users living nearby. They do live nearby, always have and will continue to. We live in London, it's a fact. Both treatment and enforcement when crime committed is required. In an ideal world I would not want next door, who would? But given that I live in London and treatment centres are required there is a chance that I may find one nearby. A medical center is probably more appropriate perhaps, or even a larger GPs practice?

Malpas Simon said...

I'd be perfectly happy having the place as a health center or any else as long as that (potentially) lovely old building was put to good use. What are the Landlord's long term plans? Has this been talked about on a different post?

Anonymous said...

@MB. Agreed but my point was that claiming only middle class people are anti rehab centres in their neighbourhood is complete and utter bullshit.

Brockley Nick said...

Yes, of course it is. As is the idea that Brockley is full of middle class kids who get their drugs delivered to their doors, while their doting parents vent their wrath on the poor.

Still, it's good fantasy-land entertainment.

Anonymous said...

That building would make an amazing bar, restaurant or public space ... I hope it doesn't get demolished ...

HeckMcBuff said...

My first reaction was that, as a Brockley resident, I would be reluctant to live near a drug rehab centre as it might be a danger or threat. Then I realised that I have lived near the U-Turn rehab centre for over 10 years and its been so free of problems, I'd forgotten it was there. Is it still run as a centre that accommodates and supports single men with drug, alcohol and gambling addictions?

Anonymous said...

It always amuses me when I hear comments in the blog about New Cross and how it’s looked down up as an underprivileged area compared to Brockley. Wake up Brockley people!!

I live in Telegraph hill which is classed as New Cross and the houses around here and the area in general is much better than in Brockley. New Cross has much better transport links into town as well.

Brockley folk – stop getting ahead of your stations. You lived next door to Lewisham for goodness sake – just calm yourselves down. You Brockley snobs are desperately trying to turn Brockley into Clapham and East Dulwich.

I like lively around New Cross because of the laidback atmosphere along with the strong community spirit. If you want to live in Clapham or East Dulwich, then get a job that pays more and move back there.

Eh? said...

Where are the comments looking down on New Cross?
Sounds like you're the only one that need to calm down.

Anonymous said...

"get a job that pays more" Is it that simple? I'll do that then.

Anonymous said...

I agree with comments about Brockley snobs trying to turn the area into Clapham. I moved away from Clapham 6 years to get away from the Gap Ya’s and Frappacino sipping types. In fact, I suppose BXAG is now lobbying to replace the building that was going to be the drug rehab into a Starbucks.

Let’s embrace the community spirit in the area, concentrate on making the area clean and green. However stop trying to enforce which people can and can’t live around here. Even the poshest areas of London have drug rehab centres.

Irony said...

'stop trying to enforce which people can and can’t live around here'.
Apart from 'Gap Ya’s and Frappacino sipping types' though eh??

I vote to stop thick people coming here.

Brockley Nick said...

"In fact, I suppose BXAG is now lobbying to replace the building that was going to be the drug rehab into a Starbucks."

No, they aren't. Like the rest of your post, this is your own little chippy fantasy.

Anonymous said...

Refugees from Clapham and East Dulwich are often marked for life by the experience.

Now there is a group needs their own rehab centre.

Anonymous said...

The documentary about the haves and have-nots of Brockley was some years ago. Both families lived (live?) on Breakspears. One in a large house, the other in a council flat.

Anonymous said...

Brockley wishes it was Clapham, to be fair.

Gap Yah types and frappucino sippers... you moved to Brockley to get AWAY from them?

That's like saying you moved to Somalia to get away from pirates.

Anonymous said...

I didn’t move to Brockley, I moved to New Cross – innit.

Brockley’ites – you have to be honest. Whenever something good happens in the area you claim it as being in Brockley. And whenever something bad happens it’s labelled as being in either Deptford, New Cross or Lewisham.

Prime example is New Cross Gate Cutting Nature Reserve. On google maps it’ quite clearly stated as “New Cross” nature reserve. Even on the London Wildlife trust website it’s called New Cross cutting nature reserve. If you don’t believe me click

However, somehow it’s being branded as Brockley nature reserve. Pretty soon you’re all going to start calling Telegraph hill Park, “Brockley Hill Park”.

Give me strength said...

New Cross Gate Cutting Nature Reserve? Being called Brockley Nature Reserve you say?
FUCKING HELL IT"S THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD!!!!

Brockley Nick said...

So that's what this is about? You're unhappy that people call it the Brockley Nature Reserve?

It's accessible via Vesta Road, SE4 (Brockley). Hence it's called Brockley Nature Reserve.

But go ahead, call it New Cross Nature Reserve if you like. Knock yourself out. I doubt anyone will mind.

Will you feel better then?

Anonymous said...

Nick- where the sense in your comment?
Brockley food market is accessed via Lewisham Way. Does that mean it should change its name to Lewisham food market then?
By the way, I feel better already.

Brockley Nick said...

No, Brockley Market is in Brockley. So it's called Brockley Market.

Brockley Nature Reserve is in Brockley, so it's called Brockley Nature Reserve.

That's not "Brockleyites" deciding to call it that and deprive New Cross of a treasure, it just happens to be its name.

It's also called the New Cross Gate Cutting, so if you want to call it that, go ahead. I don't think anyone but you cares.

But if you're going to blame anyone for this travesty, please take it up with the London Wildlife Trust

http://lewishamgardens.webs.com/apps/blog/show/15886147-brockley-nature-reserve-new-cross-gate-cutting

Anonymous said...

you mean it happens to be it's name according to the Brockley'ites society. According to slightly more reputable sources like the London Wildlife Trust and Google it's called New Cross gate cutting reserve.

Anonymous said...

Nick, that link you sent through looks like a website a kid has knocked up in their spare time. You surely can’t expect me to believe that these people are responsible for the official naming of public land in the borough.

Brockley Nick said...

Wotevs mate. Do what you like.

But before naming Google Maps as a reputable source, you might want to look in to the campaign local people had to mount to get Honor Oak put in its proper place.

Anonymous said...

Nick,

I didn’t intend this to be a witch hunt against Brockley as an area. At the end of the day, I live in Telegraph Hill which is right next door to Brockley or should I say “Brockley Village”?

By the way, I deliberately called it Telegraph hill and not New Cross because it sounds posher – see what I did there?

Brockley Nick said...

Well... so... I don't get what point you were trying to make then?

Anonymous said...

Nick, we could carry this on forever. Read my comments to work what my point is. But in a nutshell:
•Brockley is not as exclusive as some Brockley’ites think it is (especially those people who call it a village)
•I want the area to be as diverse as possible. Even if some of those people may be ex-drug addicts or alcoholics that need somewhere to be treated.
•I don’t want Brockley’ites to prevent a drug rehab centre from opening in Brockley, however be happy for it to exist in New Cross. Out of site, out of mind hey?
•I want brockley to stop claiming everything that good in the area as theirs.
•And finally, I don’t want a Starbucks in the area


And what was your point?

Brockley Nick said...

"Brockley is not as exclusive as some Brockley’ites think it is (especially those people who call it a village)"

I don't think anyone on this site or in the whole of Brockley thinks of Brockley as "exclusive".

"I want the area to be as diverse as possible. Even if some of those people may be ex-drug addicts or alcoholics that need somewhere to be treated."

Yes. I think everyone is agreed addicts need treatment. Again, no argument.

"I don’t want Brockley’ites to prevent a drug rehab centre from opening in Brockley, however be happy for it to exist in New Cross."

No Brockleyites have prevented the centre from opening here. The landlord did. I think most people (myself included) were pretty OK about it getting a one year trial. But many people who bothered to look at the proposals properly felt they were deeply flawed. So it turned out.

"I want brockley to stop claiming everything that good in the area as theirs."

Yes, you've already explained how upset you are that people call the Brockley Nature Reserve by its name. Boo hoo. You can call it whatever you like.

"And finally, I don’t want a Starbucks in the area"

No-one is proposing it, least of all Starbucks.

So you had a a list of made up and petty gripes about "Brockleyites".

Anonymous said...

House prices in Brockley are very exclusive.

Karooda said...

Whilst fighting to have Brockley Nature Reserve restored to New Cross Gate Cutting Nature Reserve, *draws breath*, try and get 'shoulder chip carrying' included for the summer Olympics 2016 will you..

By god would there be a fight for gold round here.

Anonymous said...

No they aren't. It's still one of the cheaper areas of London.

Anonymous said...

No they aren't. It's still one of the cheaper areas of London.

Anonymous said...

Nick, why are pretending that you don’t know what I mean? My comments aren’t directly aimed at you anyway. I appreciate that you work hard for this blog and put a lot of effort into keeping it updated. And I think we both generally want the same things done in the area.

But,

There are comments above that call Brockley a village. You wouldn’t call it a village unless you thought it was or wanted it to be exclusive. ie. Dulwich village, Wimbledon village, etc.

My point was that the only people who refer to it as Brockley nature reserve are Brockley’ites. I don’t feel that passionately about the name to be honest. It was just an observation I have made reading this blog over time. I could name few other similar examples if you like. I just think it’s amusing that the name has suddenly become Brockley Nature reserve. Again, don’t pretend you don’t know what I mean.

Finally, I am glad you don’t want a Starbucks in Brockley. But again don’t pretend you don’t want I mean when I say that certain Brockley’ites would love to have a Starbucks, a costa coffee or some other crappy chain rocking up in the area.

I just don’t want the area turning into Clapham as Clapham has gone from somewhere that used to be fairly cool and interesting into somewhere that is really non-descript. I just don’t want the same thing happening around here.

That’s probably my main overall point. I would have thought that you agreed with that.

Brockley Nick said...

"There are comments above that call Brockley a village. You wouldn’t call it a village unless you thought it was or wanted it to be exclusive."

The person on this thread who used the term village wasn't (I don't think) imagining to themselves that Brockley Cross was anything like Dulwich Village. I think the point they were trying to make was that it is not a bustling high street or a business park, it's just a quiet intersection of streets which is primarily residential.

"My point was that the only people who refer to it as Brockley nature reserve are Brockley’ites."

Well that isn't true.

"I don’t feel that passionately about the name to be honest."

Well can we drop this ridiculous argument then?

"It was just an observation I have made reading this blog over time."

I call it that because that's what people who contact me about it (who are not from Brockley) tell me it is called.

"I could name few other similar examples if you like."

For my amusement, please go ahead.

"Finally, I am glad you don’t want a Starbucks in Brockley."

FYI, my firm works for Starbucks. I once worked on the account. So I would never say that!

"But again don’t pretend you don’t want I mean when I say that certain Brockley’ites would love to have a Starbucks, a costa coffee or some other crappy chain rocking up in the area."

Of course some people would like that. Many people like these places, which is why they are successful. That's fine.

But ironically, the people you are accusing of wanting these things (the BXAG) are precisely the sort of people who DON'T want the likes of Starbucks coming to town. One of the members of the BXAG owns the Broca. The rest of them are the sort of people who, like you, tend to abhor chains and wish the world was made up of cosy independent traders.

"I just don’t want the area turning into Clapham as Clapham has gone from somewhere that used to be fairly cool and interesting into somewhere that is really non-descript."

I don't know what that actually means. Brockley will never be Clapham, it is completely different. And Clapham isn't non-descript, it's very distinctive, has lots of unique features and lots of independent places to go.

So can you be more specific please?

Because what it really sounds like is that you are saying you don't really like upper-middle class folks and Australians, like you get around Clapham. If that's what you mean, just say so.

Ex-Claphamite said...

I'd bloody love a Picturehouse cinema, a pub like the Windmill or a local pizzeria like San Marco. All in Clapham. All just off the top of my head. All brilliant.

Brockley Nick said...

Quite so.

Anonymous said...

And a Bodeans BBQ Steakhouse. Really wind up the gingers would that :-)

Anonymous said...

Nick,

This is getting ridiculous now.

How can you make final judgement on a comment in the blog and decide that you know exactly what they meant when they referred to Brockley as a village? Just call a spade a spade. I live in a part of New Cross made up of a quiet intersection of streets which is primarily residential. Should I start calling it a village as well?

Click on the link to find out what the nature reserve is really called. http://www.wildlondon.org.uk/Pages/Category.aspx?IDCategory=ca1514d0-a35e-4a30-9d40-514ae4afad45

Or check a map of New cross are if you want double assurance:
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=new+cross+cutting+nature+reserve&aq=&sll=51.528642,-0.101599&sspn=0.725348,1.783905&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&hq=cutting+nature+reserve&hnear=New+Cross+Beauty+salon,+152+New+Cross+Rd,+London+SE14+5BA,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.471212,-0.042229&spn=0.011348,0.027874&t=m&z=16&cid=14629561709802639839&iwloc=A

As I said I don’t care what the name is but Brockley nature reserve is just a name made up by Brockley residents who visit the place. But if you are that precious about changing its name to Brockley nature reserve, then just go ahead. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. I was just merely stating a fact.

Sounds like Starbucks have brainwashed you as well. Once you go Frappacino, you can never go back.

Next thing, you’ll be saying you want an M&S food showing up in the area? Do you think the member of BXAG who runs Broca would be keen for that to happen? I don’t think so.

I suggest you walk down Clapham high street on a Friday or Saturday night. After that, I would like to see if your opinion changes.

Finally, I am Australian!

Serve & Volley said...

"...I once worked on the account...." I'm enjoying this bit of banter but Wow, you just reminded me you do work Nick, are Friday afternoons a bit quiet in your office?

Anonymous said...

By the way, I said Clapham has gone from somewhere that used to be fairly cool and interesting into somewhere that is now really non-descript.

The places that some of you are referring to that are good about Clapham are all places that were there when the area was cool. So I’m not debating that there aren’t nice places to go to in Clapham. The Moen’s butcher in Clapham also used to be cool until they started charging £15 for a pound of steak mince and £5 each for a single sausage. That only happened when Clapham got invaded with Gap Ya’s!!

Brockley Nick said...

Call things villages if you like - I don't mind. You are loading all these terms with all sorts of hidden meanings that I don't think are there. I guess we won't know what that person meant unless they come back and tell us, but it seems highly unlikely to me that anyone with even a passing knowledge of Brockley Cross (which is a double-roundabout, some tatty shops and some residential streets) would consider it "exclusive" and chi chi. Does that honestly sound likely to you?

I didn't say I wanted a Starbucks and I didn't say I want an M&S - you are arguing with strawmen and I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

I have walked down Clapham High Street in the evenings. It's not particularly my cup of tea, but it's certainly not "non-descript". It's just different.

Regardless, there is no danger of Brockley becoming like Clapham, so again, this is a strawman. You may as well shout about how you don't want Brockley turning in to Monaco or Bora Bora, for all the relevance it has.

So, to sum up. You don't like people calling it Brockley Nature Reserve and you don't like people using the word village.

Gotcha.

Anonymous said...

No wonder Nick "used" to work on the account. They probably had to replace him with someone that actually did work on the account.

Only jokes by the way...

Anonymous said...

And to sum it you always have to have the last word. Gotcha!

Anonymous said...

"The person on this thread who used the term village wasn't (I don't think) imagining to themselves that Brockley Cross was anything like Dulwich Village. I think the point they were trying to make was that it is not a bustling high street or a business park, it's just a quiet intersection of streets which is primarily residential."

I was the person, and yep - that's what I meant - Brockley Cross and the high street bit near the station are the focal point for a primary residential area. Yes, we're zone 2, but let's face it - it's a quiet residential area with a few shops and a few things going on... I call that villagey / a community... Surely a "local blog" makes us feel a bit villagey? Brockley is certainly not Chi Chi (yet!)

Anonymous said...

Finally Nick, I never said that Brockley will be become Clapham because it won't. I just think there are loads of Brockley'ites that would like it to be like clapham. Please let that be the last word!! I have to go home now and enjoy my weekend. In fact, I might go to brockley nature reserve tomorrow and then go have a frappacino, followed by dinner at Pizza Express.

Urban Convert said...

I grew up in a village, to me it means "place where everyone watches what you do and say with prurient interest, and endlessly speculates on what you meant by it & what sort of person it makes you".
Hang on.....

Brockley Nick said...

haha, Urban Convert, I think THAT should be the last word on the matter.

boris johnston said...

Blimey - talk about defensive. Who put the B in Brockley Nick's bonnet?

Danja said...

what it really sounds like is that you are saying you don't really like upper-middle class folks and Australians, like you get around Clapham. If that's what you mean, just say so.

Just, so. It is fortunate that Australia is so classless: an upper-middle class Australian would be a truly frightful prospect.

Anonymous said...

Good point. Australia is populated entirely by honest fare people and all the ones I've met are very nice.

Anonymous said...

Brockley resident guilty....

Amari Ward, aged 19, of Norbert Road, Brockley, was sentenced to six years in jail at Woolwich Crown Court on July 27 after being convicted of robbery and conspiracy to rob.

Monkeyboy said...

He's australian, probably a bit depressed about the whole Olympic situation. Cut him some slack.

Anonymous said...

I'm surprised that the council approved the centre in the first place having read the consultation report and supporting appendices. Seems like 95 per cent or responses were against the proposal not to mention a scathing attack at the council's incompetence in running the consultation:

consultation report
lewisham-consult.limehouse.co.uk/file/2152093

appendix B
lewisham-consult.limehouse.co.uk/file/2152229

appendix C
lewisham-consult.objective.co.uk/file/2152073

Anonymous said...

Well done to all who made this happen. or not happen. Whichever postcode i happen to fall under the bottom line is i definitely don't want smack heads on my door step, especially given that i would have had to walk past them on the way to and from the train station every day. If that sounds hash then so be it. Thanks to all for all your hard work. It was a very big worry indeed.

kolp said...

It's one thing to object to so-called smack heads being around you, but are you the same type of person who also sneers at people going to religious events -such as Gracechurch?

Anonymous said...

The 1 year restriction must have meant the lease would have to be renegotiated with the option to end the lease after 12 months.

Anonymous said...

Smack head is shorthand for out of control drug users. They do not make for nice neighbours given that they resort to anything that gives them the money they need to sustain their habit.

Sadly, I suspect the centre would also have many clients that are trying to control their addiction and a service like that is much needed in the area.

It just needs a suitable location and this one was not right.

Given the large number of well equipped health centres that have been built across the borough over the past decade, facilities like this should have been built into the plan rather than being bolted on to buildings in unsuitable locations like this.

That is a failure by public policy to treat addiction as a serious public health issue.

Accusing local objections as the result of prejudice and nimbyism is a convenient way deflecting attention away from this failure of policy.

Addiction is a serious public health issue and proper treatment facilities should be available as part of a consistent plan.

Instead we get this sort of planning dogs dinner provoking divisive arguments like this.

Not good.

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